The old adage you won't win anything with kids! Morgan gave the ball away a lot although grew into game 2nd half. Too easy for their midfield tonight. Gallagher worked his socks off and was unlucky with 2nd half strike that hit post but thought we were poor and always looked vulnerable. Poor clearance by Sarr for equalizer.
Eh? Sarr not at fault for second. That was Pratley and Lockyer.
To be fair that injury wrecked team never gave up or let their heads go down and kept going right to the end. You can only praise them for that.
But ...
Defensively, we were an absolute shambles for much of the night. If the Luton forwards could have shot straight, we could have been thrashed. And I have to say that LB's decision to go with only 3 in midfield didn't help.
One thing that annoyed the hell out of me tonight was our corners. They are pathetic and offered no danger whatsoever. Don't the players practise them? One things for sure - JJ needs to get them sorted out quickly.
A disappointing night. Not unexpected with that team but if it carries on like this much longer it's going to be a very long season that is surely going to see us struggle to stay up.
The balls in were in dangerous areas but the lads didn't attack the ball once from a corner.
Height would have been an issue too surely... Luton players were a tall side, i.e. take the Centre-Backs Sonny Bradley (6.5ft) | Matty Pearson (6.3ft) v Tom Lockyer (5.11ft) | Jason Pearce (6.1ft) We didnt really start to win any corners until Naby Sarr went off who would of course been able to challenge them Never get the point of lumping balls into the box when your dealing with Defenders of that height, surely its Christmas come early for them?
Watched on Valley Pass. Re their first...at half time I wasn't sure whether Solly was the last man. But after the game, and after Terry and Greg had logged off, the EFL stream replayed the highlights several times. Solly nowhere near playing the Luton man on. In which case that ref and linesman had the goal stand because they jointly decided the guy wasn't interfering with play.
The old adage you won't win anything with kids! Morgan gave the ball away a lot although grew into game 2nd half. Too easy for their midfield tonight. Gallagher worked his socks off and was unlucky with 2nd half strike that hit post but thought we were poor and always looked vulnerable. Poor clearance by Sarr for equalizer.
Eh? Sarr not at fault for second. That was Pratley and Lockyer.
They tried their absolute hardest, injuries and luck deserting us together. We have near enough an entire team out and no squad in this league can cope with that.
Honestly believe that VAR rules out both their goals as well. First was offside and the second hit his arm. Wasn't deliberate I don't think but in the rules that isn't allowed anymore if it contributes towards a goal.
We lost tonight in the midfield. Don't think Gallagher having a rest is the worst thing to happen. Means he can be raring to go in 10 days time.
Finally a special mention to Leko who I thought put in a real shift tonight, some quality moments and a great goal. Far less of the silly showboating.
We will probably lose on Saturday, but I am sure that when we get some players back we will get a good run going again.
I know we are ravaged by injuries right now, but we have our full contingent of defence to call upon and they haven't been good enough over the past few games as a whole.
True - but with a depleted midfield and attack our defence is having to do more defending. That might have an impact!
Only concern is the fact that we're failing to win because of our defence (Page the only one out) Bowyer will sort it though, have every faith in him - Get the senior players back further up the pitch and we wont find ourselves losing the ball as often
Also on this... I don't think that is completely true. Our defence is being put under so much more pressure at the moment because our strikers aren't holding it up quite as well as they were at the start of the season and the midfield is being bypassed. Our strongest XI doesn't allow the defence to be put under the kind of pressure our patched up one has been
the injuries are killing us but so is playing 3 central defenders - particularly when pratley is screening the defence as well - sarr just gets in the way - need another body up the pitch so we can play - play 6 defenders, expect to do a lot of defending and not much else other than a break away.
The defence is looking shakey due to the inexperienced midfield in front of them failing to act as a defensive shield. I'm not criticising them for this, it is a steep learning curve for them and they at least put a shift in and tried their best. What did piss me off was the quality of crossing from corners and out wide. Too floaty and deep, easy to defend against.
They tried their absolute hardest, injuries and luck deserting us together. We have near enough an entire team out and no squad in this league can cope with that.
Honestly believe that VAR rules out both their goals as well. First was offside and the second hit his arm. Wasn't deliberate I don't think but in the rules that isn't allowed anymore if it contributes towards a goal.
We lost tonight in the midfield. Don't think Gallagher having a rest is the worst thing to happen. Means he can be raring to go in 10 days time.
Finally a special mention to Leko who I thought put in a real shift tonight, some quality moments and a great goal. Far less of the silly showboating.
We will probably lose on Saturday, but I am sure that when we get some players back we will get a good run going again.
Handball rule is the most confusing in the game now - Does a goal get ruled out regardless if its an accident or not if it hits the attackers arm? Or does it only matter if its accidental or not if it hits a Defenders arm (e.g. Penalty awarded) I always thought there was one player (attacker or defender) who gets let off in that sort of instance hence the argument / confusion
Watched on Valley Pass. Re their first...at half time I wasn't sure whether Solly was the last man. But after the game, and after Terry and Greg had logged off, the EFL stream replayed the highlights several times. Solly nowhere near playing the Luton man on. In which case that ref and linesman had the goal stand because they jointly decided the guy wasn't interfering with play.
And that, people, is why we need VAR.
You've got a forward in an offside position, goal side of his defender and practically standing on the goal line ..... and yet not interfering with play?
At the same time, you've got another forward in an offside position blocking off the goalkeeper from dealing with the shot .... and yet not interfering with play?
Huge disappointment this one. When you've got injuries as you're not playing well, gifting three points to a team in 22nd place is not the way to go about your business. We might have injuries but the team starting on the pitch should have been enough to get something off Luton. Instead we've helped a team we desperately need to keep below us catch up.
One of our biggest problems at the moment is that our injuries aren't evenly distributed; the one place we're not lacking in players is in defence, meaning Bowyer is somewhere between encouraged and forced to play three at the back. We rarely look our best in that formation, and it's particularly frustrating setting up that way against a team we should be looking to beat. I'd really like to see us go back to the diamond as soon as possible once we get a few more players back.
They tried their absolute hardest, injuries and luck deserting us together. We have near enough an entire team out and no squad in this league can cope with that.
Honestly believe that VAR rules out both their goals as well. First was offside and the second hit his arm. Wasn't deliberate I don't think but in the rules that isn't allowed anymore if it contributes towards a goal.
We lost tonight in the midfield. Don't think Gallagher having a rest is the worst thing to happen. Means he can be raring to go in 10 days time.
Finally a special mention to Leko who I thought put in a real shift tonight, some quality moments and a great goal. Far less of the silly showboating.
We will probably lose on Saturday, but I am sure that when we get some players back we will get a good run going again.
Handball rule is the most confusing in the game now - Does a goal get ruled out regardless if its an accident or not if it hits the attackers arm? Or does it only matter if its accidental or not if it hits a Defenders arm (e.g. Penalty awarded) I always thought there was one player (attacker or defender) who gets let off in that sort of instance hence the argument / confusion
Current ruling is that if a striker accidentally handles it on the way to a goal, then the goal is ruled out regardless. If the defender accidentally handles it in a natural position, no foul/pen.
The old adage you won't win anything with kids! Morgan gave the ball away a lot although grew into game 2nd half. Too easy for their midfield tonight. Gallagher worked his socks off and was unlucky with 2nd half strike that hit post but thought we were poor and always looked vulnerable. Poor clearance by Sarr for equalizer.
Eh? Sarr not at fault for second. That was Pratley and Lockyer.
Like stepping back in time, as for the game, we weren't awful, we weren't great either. They had more enegy once they scored, youngsters did ok when they came on but it feels like the quad are waiting for players to come back as much as we are with some of their body language. Long few weeks ahead.
Must also say, I was expecting a noisy packed ground but the home support was pathetic. All very strange
Horrible run of form, horrible situation and we keep conceding goals, that’s 18 goals conceded now in 12 games Taylor has missed, 11 in the 6 Williams has missed.
They’re grafting and we will pick up again when we get an actual squad together, but it’s really tough right now.
Even the best teams in the league will struggle if you have 13 players out, nearly all of which would be in the squad, and 8 or 9 of which would probably be in the starting 11. It’s really tough times right now for us and will show how strong the group is when we pull through it.
We are conceding goals and the defence looks poor, but they’ve not got much protection in front of them. Morgan and Gallagher are good players technically, but both need to learn the defensive side of the game and both are still so young.
When you have Cullen, Field, Kayal, Williams, Forster-Caskey, Lapslie, Aneke, Oztumer and possibly others I can’t even remember as there are so many, all out, it’s a joke. That’s just the midfield! Now Gallagher is suspended as well for Saturday. Name me a team who wouldn’t struggle with 9 midfielders out.
We just need to be more understanding with this group because they’ll pull through.
They tried their absolute hardest, injuries and luck deserting us together. We have near enough an entire team out and no squad in this league can cope with that.
Honestly believe that VAR rules out both their goals as well. First was offside and the second hit his arm. Wasn't deliberate I don't think but in the rules that isn't allowed anymore if it contributes towards a goal.
We lost tonight in the midfield. Don't think Gallagher having a rest is the worst thing to happen. Means he can be raring to go in 10 days time.
Finally a special mention to Leko who I thought put in a real shift tonight, some quality moments and a great goal. Far less of the silly showboating.
We will probably lose on Saturday, but I am sure that when we get some players back we will get a good run going again.
Handball rule is the most confusing in the game now - Does a goal get ruled out regardless if its an accident or not if it hits the attackers arm? Or does it only matter if its accidental or not if it hits a Defenders arm (e.g. Penalty awarded) I always thought there was one player (attacker or defender) who gets let off in that sort of instance hence the argument / confusion
Current ruling is that if a striker accidentally handles it on the way to a goal, then the goal is ruled out regardless. If the defender accidentally handles it in a natural position, no foul/pen.
Cheers thats what I thought from Man City v Tottenham this season The handball against SIssoko in the Champions League Final was what confused me
Oztumer potentially back on Saturday Bowyer feels both goals for Luton should have been ruled out and calls for VAR in the Championship Cullen potentially back for Christmas
To be fair that injury wrecked team never gave up or let their heads go down and kept going right to the end. You can only praise them for that.
But ...
Defensively, we were an absolute shambles for much of the night. If the Luton forwards could have shot straight, we could have been thrashed. And I have to say that LB's decision to go with only 3 in midfield didn't help.
One thing that annoyed the hell out of me tonight was our corners. They are pathetic and offered no danger whatsoever. Don't the players practise them? One things for sure - JJ needs to get them sorted out quickly.
A disappointing night. Not unexpected with that team but if it carries on like this much longer it's going to be a very long season that is surely going to see us struggle to stay up.
The balls in were in dangerous areas but the lads didn't attack the ball once from a corner.
Height would have been an issue too surely... Luton players were a tall side, i.e. take the Centre-Backs Sonny Bradley (6.5ft) | Matty Pearson (6.3ft) v Tom Lockyer (5.11ft) | Jason Pearce (6.1ft) We didnt really start to win any corners until Naby Sarr went off who would of course been able to challenge them Never get the point of lumping balls into the box when your dealing with Defenders of that height, surely its Christmas come early for them?
Best corners I ever saw Charlton take consistently was a good few years ago when Powell would cross to the near post, Giles or Berry flick it on for Hales or Fanagan to score. It was incredibly hard to defend against.
Maybe they should try that or something else out of a training manual because i stick by my guns on my original comment - those corners tonight were woeful.
The reality of Roland forcing us to rummage in the rubbish bin for scraps is well and truly biting now.
I said 21st would be a wonderful season, given the constraints Bowyer and co are operating under, and we have seen why over the past few games.
God forbid the lunatic selling someone important in January.
Williams, scraps? Taylor, scraps? Cullen, scraps? Page, well I will give you that one.
They might have been free or on loan but they are the only 3 that would be "first choice" and were missing.
Your right though 21st would be an achievement but to blame Roland for every injury is fucking laughable.
Shit happens, and believe it or not, shit isn't all Roland's fault. Yes 3 or 4 of our 1st team squad aren't as good as we would like, Roland could deal with that, Lee Bowyer could have a "proper contract", Roland could deal with that, 3 of our best players having contact injuries AND having 8 other injuries at the same time IS NOT HIS FAULT.
Roland, this, Roland that, it really pisses me off. It takes the credibility of the REAL Roland argument away when you blame everything on him.
I am sick of it. The sooner he fucks off the better, but you can't blame him for Gallagher's booking or a Nabby Sarr miss pass.
First real crisis Bowyer has faced. Need to get back to basics as Curbishley would have done. Not worried yet but we need to steady the ship pdq. No point in looking at a new owner sorting us out. We need to get it sorted with what we’ve got.
First real crisis Bowyer has faced. Need to get back to basics as Curbishley would have done. Not worried yet but we need to steady the ship pdq. No point in looking at a new owner sorting us out. We need to get it sorted with what we’ve got.
Think Bowyer would love to but doesnt have the squad to sort things out This isnt a bad run because of players being out of form, its because we dont have enough players to make a difference
Unfortunately I think some heavy defeats could be coming , rather than a stirring revival. Once we start shipping the 3 and 4,s I really think we could career over the edge, an not be able to turn it round. You get nothing for hard work and bad luck.
Wheels slowly coming off. The euphoria/optimism from last year is slowly wearing off. Too many injuries to key players. Only one person to blame. Roland, stop messing about and give Bowyer what he needs.
can’t fault the commitment tonight but so desperately short of quality
Doughty Morgan Gallagher and Pratley the standouts but we didn’t deserve a point
Their no 24 is good
I am never one to knock others opinions but always find it funny when others see things so differently from me. For me, the game was lost in the central midfield and thought that up until the last 10-15 our central midfielders all had poor games (Thought that Morgan started showing some class towards the end).
Fully agree with you about Browne though. Thought he was superb.
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Sonny Bradley (6.5ft) | Matty Pearson (6.3ft) v Tom Lockyer (5.11ft) | Jason Pearce (6.1ft)
We didnt really start to win any corners until Naby Sarr went off who would of course been able to challenge them
Never get the point of lumping balls into the box when your dealing with Defenders of that height, surely its Christmas come early for them?
And that, people, is why we need VAR.
boro win and relegation is only 7 points away from us
Honestly believe that VAR rules out both their goals as well. First was offside and the second hit his arm. Wasn't deliberate I don't think but in the rules that isn't allowed anymore if it contributes towards a goal.
We lost tonight in the midfield. Don't think Gallagher having a rest is the worst thing to happen. Means he can be raring to go in 10 days time.
Finally a special mention to Leko who I thought put in a real shift tonight, some quality moments and a great goal. Far less of the silly showboating.
We will probably lose on Saturday, but I am sure that when we get some players back we will get a good run going again.
What did piss me off was the quality of crossing from corners and out wide. Too floaty and deep, easy to defend against.
Or does it only matter if its accidental or not if it hits a Defenders arm (e.g. Penalty awarded)
I always thought there was one player (attacker or defender) who gets let off in that sort of instance hence the argument / confusion
At the same time, you've got another forward in an offside position blocking off the goalkeeper from dealing with the shot .... and yet not interfering with play?
Must also say, I was expecting a noisy packed ground but the home support was pathetic. All very strange
They’re grafting and we will pick up again when we get an actual squad together, but it’s really tough right now.
Even the best teams in the league will struggle if you have 13 players out, nearly all of which would be in the squad, and 8 or 9 of which would probably be in the starting 11. It’s really tough times right now for us and will show how strong the group is when we pull through it.
We are conceding goals and the defence looks poor, but they’ve not got much protection in front of them. Morgan and Gallagher are good players technically, but both need to learn the defensive side of the game and both are still so young.
When you have Cullen, Field, Kayal, Williams, Forster-Caskey, Lapslie, Aneke, Oztumer and possibly others I can’t even remember as there are so many, all out, it’s a joke. That’s just the midfield! Now Gallagher is suspended as well for Saturday. Name me a team who wouldn’t struggle with 9 midfielders out.
We just need to be more understanding with this group because they’ll pull through.
The handball against SIssoko in the Champions League Final was what confused me
Oztumer potentially back on Saturday
Bowyer feels both goals for Luton should have been ruled out and calls for VAR in the Championship
Cullen potentially back for Christmas
Maybe they should try that or something else out of a training manual because i stick by my guns on my original comment - those corners tonight were woeful.
They might have been free or on loan but they are the only 3 that would be "first choice" and were missing.
Your right though 21st would be an achievement but to blame Roland for every injury is fucking laughable.
Shit happens, and believe it or not, shit isn't all Roland's fault. Yes 3 or 4 of our 1st team squad aren't as good as we would like, Roland could deal with that, Lee Bowyer could have a "proper contract", Roland could deal with that, 3 of our best players having contact injuries AND having 8 other injuries at the same time IS NOT HIS FAULT.
Roland, this, Roland that, it really pisses me off. It takes the credibility of the REAL Roland argument away when you blame everything on him.
I am sick of it. The sooner he fucks off the better, but you can't blame him for Gallagher's booking or a Nabby Sarr miss pass.
can’t fault the commitment tonight but so desperately short of quality
Doughty Morgan Gallagher and Pratley the standouts but we didn’t deserve a point
Their no 24 is good
This isnt a bad run because of players being out of form, its because we dont have enough players to make a difference
We need key players back.
Fully agree with you about Browne though. Thought he was superb.