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Is Thomas Driesen Gone? - he popped in on p16, and back out on p26

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,589
    Alwaysneil said:
    Leuth said:
    This is only going to be resolved if our man posts all correspondence related to all potential signings while he was here tbh
    Under every employment contract I’ve ever signed that contrary to the terms of that contract and would be illegal. For most of them not deleting all that information on the end of the contract would also be dubious at best.
    If TD needs a Solicitor Farnell is free ....
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,047
    edited February 2022
    Chunes said:
    Shame this wasn't done with a journalist who could verify these ominous "screenshots" with other sources

    The guy could post whatever he likes
    Maybe, but I’m inclined to take the screenshots at face value. I’m sure there are plenty of other screenshots that he isn’t sharing which would tell the whole story however.

    No idea if TD’s version of events are accurate, but I have to say he’s doing well at holding his own in a foreign language in the face of an onslaught. 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    JaShea99 said:
    I haven’t read every page but are we just accepting that this is really TD?
    Admin seem to be and his posts show enough to convince me ( and I’ve been a sceptic about such matters, including his Twitter at the time). 
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    "Yann Kermorgant: Player is near the end, I wouldn't keep them"

    I wonder how he got on after he left us?

    PS
    Didn't we try and resign him? (No don't tell me, it was down to TD wasn't it?)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,877
    edited February 2022
    Oh_Yoni_Boy said:

    Dale Stephens: reliable player (interesting for the group)

    That's quite interesting, when he says group, is he actually referring to the Roland network of clubs?
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    @ThomasD - In your opinion how likely is Roland to sell The Valley and Sparrows Lane, for a realistic price any time soon? 

    Also would like ro know how many scarves the Assie consortium took before they pulled out of buying the Club please?
  • SouthLincsAddick
    SouthLincsAddick Posts: 571
    Airman Brown said:
    ThomasD said:
    Journalism? This is the level of The Sun "journalism". 

    It's feeding a perception of someone with lies to back that perception. It's smart, but also really sad. I'm sure fans would love to hear the truth and then make up their own mind instead of being fed these kind of lies.

    I can understand you don't want me here as I have all the evidence to expose you.

    I will take a look at some more stuff you published
    I think if I was going to “exposed” as you put it that would have happened rather earlier in the 35 years I’ve been writing about Charlton. 

    You can’t even read a byline or acknowledge that you got that wrong, even though it is central to your point.

    In any event the central issue is that Duchâtelet is a nutter who employed unqualified individuals, wasted millions and damaged the club. Agree or disagree? 
    This!
  • BDL
    BDL Posts: 6,001
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,353
    se9addick said:
    Chunes said:
    Shame this wasn't done with a journalist who could verify these ominous "screenshots" with other sources

    The guy could post whatever he likes
    Maybe, but I’m inclined to take the screenshots at face value. I’m sure there are plenty of other screenshots that he isn’t sharing which would tell the whole story however.

    No idea if TD’s version of events are accurate, but I have to say he’s doing well at holding his own in a foreign language in the face of an onslaught. 
    In the age of the internet I'm not inclined to take anything at face value.
  • sm
    sm Posts: 2,960
    edited February 2022
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chunes said:
    cafc999 said:
    I shall ask again ...

    Would be interesting to hear what @ThomasD role in Yann's departure was? No doubt he will deny having anything to do with it.
    He did deny it. But BDL said he's lying because he was party to the discussions. He said it was actually Thomas's decision. You'll have to read back. 
    Not saying @BDL is a liar, more that people may be misunderstanding his position. 

    I don't believe a stadium announcer would be a 'party to the discussions' as to whether or not we kept Yann. He might have heard it from others in the club, but he was unlikely in my opinion to have ever been a part of the actual buy/sell discussions. 
    I think part of the problem is "network scout" seems to have become Thomas and only Thomas.  Yet he says he wasn't the only one.  So it is plausible, however unlikely, that a "network scout" was the reason we sold Yann but that wasn't Thomas.  

    As far as I am aware he is the only one that has ever commented on anything semi publicly. 

    Maybe if he said who the other ones were, who werethe Standard scouts that recommend Reza, Koch, Turam?  The second and third windows were very good and the fourth was hampered by injuries and not dissimilar to now. 

    There is no reason to suggest that Thomas wasn't the only one left by the time KM left. 

    Yeap, that was what I was back then, but I know what I know. I'm not going to disclose why or how but I'm clear that Driesen is lying. Nothing he says can be trusted. Nothing!
    Stop lying, I literally have the reports that I talked about in my first post from the French speaking network scout where he said not to keep Yann. I have never sent a report in French in my life to Roland or Katrien as all three of us ar native Dutch speaking.


    You may not be lying, but you can be accused of having poor judgement in not opposing the assessment made of Yann (which cost us so dearly in retrospect) and/or of being a poor team player in not respecting another member of your team of scouts/incompetents by making their emails public and not supporting the decisions of a team with which you were involved.  I have yet to see an apology from you or the rest of the team for what you did to our team  - perhaps we need to wait until you have grown up a little more.  In the meantime, i would avoid posting anymore of your self justifying bullshit on a forum where nearly all the participants actually care about what is best for Charlton despite our disagreements regarding what that might be.   
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,728
    TD what is your thoughts on another player who was let go on a free, namely Michael Morrisson.?  
  • ThomasD
    ThomasD Posts: 29
    edited February 2022
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,280
    End of the day, he was an employee handed a great opportunity at a young age, that many here would consider a bit of a dream job. So I don't think we can blame him for the Roland regime, he was merely an actor within it.

    Professionalism and quality of his recommendations are certainly up for criticism and debate, but you can't really blame him for the scope of the influence he was given by Roland.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,040
    edited February 2022
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker
    Look mate however you dress it up and try to wriggle out of it you are part of the most disastrous event in Charlton’s history. Without the likes of you enabling Duchatelet’s delusional time in charge Charlton might not now still to be struggling out of the shit hole you put us in.
    Just fuck off.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    edited February 2022
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker
    Hardly exposed mate
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    balham red said:
    End of the day, he was an employee handed a great opportunity at a young age, that many here would consider a bit of a dream job. So I don't think we can blame him for the Roland regime, he was merely an actor within it.

    Professionalism and quality of his recommendations are certainly up for criticism and debate, but you can't really blame him for the scope of the influence he was given by Roland.
    Maybe not. However since he has come along here voluntarily, it is reasonable to ask him, as I have tried to do, whether on reflection eight years later (older? wiser?) -   he was ready and equipped for that scope of influence. So far he has not replied to me.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    PragueAddick said:
    balham red said:
    End of the day, he was an employee handed a great opportunity at a young age, that many here would consider a bit of a dream job. So I don't think we can blame him for the Roland regime, he was merely an actor within it.

    Professionalism and quality of his recommendations are certainly up for criticism and debate, but you can't really blame him for the scope of the influence he was given by Roland.
    Maybe not. However since he has come along here voluntarily, it is reasonable to ask him, as I have tried to do, whether on reflection eight years later (older? wiser?) -   he was ready and equipped for that scope of influence. So far he has not replied to me.
    Tbh, I heard from a very good source that @ThomasD was on £286k a year + performance bonuses etc, so £286k a year must've been some carrot for him, regardless what his role was
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,280
    PragueAddick said:
    balham red said:
    End of the day, he was an employee handed a great opportunity at a young age, that many here would consider a bit of a dream job. So I don't think we can blame him for the Roland regime, he was merely an actor within it.

    Professionalism and quality of his recommendations are certainly up for criticism and debate, but you can't really blame him for the scope of the influence he was given by Roland.
    Maybe not. However since he has come along here voluntarily, it is reasonable to ask him, as I have tried to do, whether on reflection eight years later (older? wiser?) -   he was ready and equipped for that scope of influence. So far he has not replied to me.
    That's a perfectly reasonable question for sure. I think some people are pinning on TD alot of frustration that is felt towards Roland's ownership and our current situation in general.

    The club is just shit at the moment and as powerless fans we will always try to identify who to blame for that. But let's do that in a constructive manner, and save the unadulterated venom for the people who actively tried to sabotage the club for their own gain. TD may be many things but he's not one of those, and there have been more than a handful in the past few years.

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  • ThomasD
    ThomasD Posts: 29
    edited February 2022
    iainment said:
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker
    Look mate however you dress it up and try to wriggle out of it you are part of the most disastrous event in Charlton’s history. Without the likes of you enabling Duchatelet’s delusional time in charge Charlton might not now still to be struggling out of the shit hole you put us in.
    Just fuck off.
    Well that's it for me lads. I told myself to stop posting when these kinds of reactions would start to come in. 

    Thanks to the fans that appreciated me telling my story and good luck in the future! 
  • BenHaimandBikey
    BenHaimandBikey Posts: 508
    I don't blame you.

    Some interesting insight. Cheers for sharing and answering some questions. 
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,588
    ThomasD said:
    iainment said:
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker


    Look mate however you dress it up and try to wriggle out of it you are part of the most disastrous event in Charlton’s history. Without the likes of you enabling Duchatelet’s delusional time in charge Charlton might not now still to be struggling out of the shit hole you put us in.
    Just fuck off.
    Well that's it for me lads. I told myself to stop posting when these kinds of reactions would start to come in. 

    Thanks to the fans that appreciated me telling my story and good luck in the future! 

    Before you go will Sheffield United come good? 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,157
    Gribbo said:
    PragueAddick said:
    balham red said:
    End of the day, he was an employee handed a great opportunity at a young age, that many here would consider a bit of a dream job. So I don't think we can blame him for the Roland regime, he was merely an actor within it.

    Professionalism and quality of his recommendations are certainly up for criticism and debate, but you can't really blame him for the scope of the influence he was given by Roland.
    Maybe not. However since he has come along here voluntarily, it is reasonable to ask him, as I have tried to do, whether on reflection eight years later (older? wiser?) -   he was ready and equipped for that scope of influence. So far he has not replied to me.
    Tbh, I heard from a very good source that @ThomasD was on £286k a year + performance bonuses etc, so £286k a year must've been some carrot for him, regardless what his role was
    @Airman Brown may correct me but I believe that would make him more highly paid than Meire, which seems unlikely. That said, we are talking Duchatelet here, and I see that TD has liked your post....
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,439
    AFKABartram said:
    SE7toSG3 said:
    My personal view is that having, alongside most on here witnessed my football club being driven to the point of extinction by the Spivs, Duchatelet, ESI and a myriad of conmen, crooks, bluffers and dentists,

    what ever his side of the story, Driesen was part of that.   

    As we languish in the lower reaches of a lower league and I trapse up to Sheffield on Saturday with little hope, just following my team, I have no stomach or desire to hear his side of the story.

    Our current predicament was not down to to an individual decision or person, its a culmination of the lot of them and Driesen was part of that. 

    That might read as bitter, short sighted or belligerent but its how I feel, I can ignore the thread just as AFKA suggests, but I cant forget, I wish @ThomasD would just jog on from my club and leave me to pick up the pieces, Roland was the closest I came to walking away from football, his ownership was to me anti football and Driesen was knowingly part of that regime.

    I can never forgive or try to understand, they have put me through years of misery protest and angst, so for that reason I am out.        
    @SE7toSG3 I’m playing devils advocate a bit but I know I can ask you and have a civil debate with because you are a mate.  

    Driesen was hired by Duchatelet to work off field on the football side of the club. So too were Bowyer, Gallen, Jose Riga, Tracey Leaburn to name a few. 

    What’s the difference as to why all those are ok, but Driesen has always been to many the devil incarnate? 

    Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think he said anything publicly derogatory when in role (even though he’s had abuse and ridicule since day 1). 

    It feels to me that’s been purely based on the assumption that because he was young, we all naturally assumed inexperienced and was inappropriate. That was probably my view at the time. The photos with the silly hair probably aggravated that. Over time though I’ve definitely revised my view and probably appreciate that the role of an analyst in football recruitment is more central to what I probably appreciated then, and I can’t see what this bloke has done in his job that would trigger such abuse and hatred.  

    I do as little Twitter as I have to as I find it poisonous and unhealthy, so perhaps there has been stuff I’ve not been privy to. I also don’t think Driesen does himself any favours in the way he responds to people, but then again I’ve not been subject to years of personal abuse and piss taking. 


    Glad you decided to keep it short...
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    AFKABartram said:
    SE7toSG3 said:
    My personal view is that having, alongside most on here witnessed my football club being driven to the point of extinction by the Spivs, Duchatelet, ESI and a myriad of conmen, crooks, bluffers and dentists,

    what ever his side of the story, Driesen was part of that.   

    As we languish in the lower reaches of a lower league and I trapse up to Sheffield on Saturday with little hope, just following my team, I have no stomach or desire to hear his side of the story.

    Our current predicament was not down to to an individual decision or person, its a culmination of the lot of them and Driesen was part of that. 

    That might read as bitter, short sighted or belligerent but its how I feel, I can ignore the thread just as AFKA suggests, but I cant forget, I wish @ThomasD would just jog on from my club and leave me to pick up the pieces, Roland was the closest I came to walking away from football, his ownership was to me anti football and Driesen was knowingly part of that regime.

    I can never forgive or try to understand, they have put me through years of misery protest and angst, so for that reason I am out.        
    @SE7toSG3 I’m playing devils advocate a bit but I know I can ask you and have a civil debate with because you are a mate.  

    Driesen was hired by Duchatelet to work off field on the football side of the club. So too were Bowyer, Gallen, Jose Riga, Tracey Leaburn to name a few. 

    What’s the difference as to why all those are ok, but Driesen has always been to many the devil incarnate? 

    Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think he said anything publicly derogatory when in role (even though he’s had abuse and ridicule since day 1). 

    It feels to me that’s been purely based on the assumption that because he was young, we all naturally assumed inexperienced and was inappropriate. That was probably my view at the time. The photos with the silly hair probably aggravated that. Over time though I’ve definitely revised my view and probably appreciate that the role of an analyst in football recruitment is more central to what I probably appreciated then, and I can’t see what this bloke has done in his job that would trigger such abuse and hatred.  

    I do as little Twitter as I have to as I find it poisonous and unhealthy, so perhaps there has been stuff I’ve not been privy to. I also don’t think Driesen does himself any favours in the way he responds to people, but then again I’ve not been subject to years of personal abuse and piss taking. 


    Same thing with Martin Sandgaard. I'm not opinionating in any way for or against his appointment, but imo there's far to much vitriol aimed at his appointment than is necessary. 

    I thought his (MS) role was "Director if Analysis", which surely requires more IT and statistical expertise, along with some football knowledge, but you wouldn't necessarily need to be a footballing mastermind?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,353
    edited February 2022
    ThomasD said:
    iainment said:
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker


    Look mate however you dress it up and try to wriggle out of it you are part of the most disastrous event in Charlton’s history. Without the likes of you enabling Duchatelet’s delusional time in charge Charlton might not now still to be struggling out of the shit hole you put us in.
    Just fuck off.
    Well that's it for me lads. I told myself to stop posting when these kinds of reactions would start to come in. 

    Thanks to the fans that appreciated me telling my story and good luck in the future! 
    That's funny. You had about 35 civil and kind questions that you completely blanked. 

    I hope you can move on and stop trying to rescue your 'legacy' here. 
  • SE7toSG3
    SE7toSG3 Posts: 3,140
    AFKABartram said:
    SE7toSG3 said:
    My personal view is that having, alongside most on here witnessed my football club being driven to the point of extinction by the Spivs, Duchatelet, ESI and a myriad of conmen, crooks, bluffers and dentists,

    what ever his side of the story, Driesen was part of that.   

    As we languish in the lower reaches of a lower league and I trapse up to Sheffield on Saturday with little hope, just following my team, I have no stomach or desire to hear his side of the story.

    Our current predicament was not down to to an individual decision or person, its a culmination of the lot of them and Driesen was part of that. 

    That might read as bitter, short sighted or belligerent but its how I feel, I can ignore the thread just as AFKA suggests, but I cant forget, I wish @ThomasD would just jog on from my club and leave me to pick up the pieces, Roland was the closest I came to walking away from football, his ownership was to me anti football and Driesen was knowingly part of that regime.

    I can never forgive or try to understand, they have put me through years of misery protest and angst, so for that reason I am out.        
    @SE7toSG3 I’m playing devils advocate a bit but I know I can ask you and have a civil debate with because you are a mate.  

    Driesen was hired by Duchatelet to work off field on the football side of the club. So too were Bowyer, Gallen, Jose Riga, Tracey Leaburn to name a few. 

    What’s the difference as to why all those are ok, but Driesen has always been to many the devil incarnate? 

    Correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think he said anything publicly derogatory when in role (even though he’s had abuse and ridicule since day 1). 

    It feels to me that’s been purely based on the assumption that because he was young, we all naturally assumed inexperienced and was inappropriate. That was probably my view at the time. The photos with the silly hair probably aggravated that. Over time though I’ve definitely revised my view and probably appreciate that the role of an analyst in football recruitment is more central to what I probably appreciated then, and I can’t see what this bloke has done in his job that would trigger such abuse and hatred.  

    I do as little Twitter as I have to as I find it poisonous and unhealthy, so perhaps there has been stuff I’ve not been privy to. I also don’t think Driesen does himself any favours in the way he responds to people, but then again I’ve not been subject to years of personal abuse and piss taking. 


    You can discuss it with me whenever mate, preferably over a beer and you make a number of valid points, I would just say that the timing is quite telling, kick us while we are down, nothing when we were taken over by Thomas or following the good form at the end of last season.

    There are many still at the club who have questionable history, quite normal given the catastrophic decade we have had to endure but none of them have started a thread to say look at me I am right you are wrong and singling out people who care about our club and I greatly respect as in Rick and Dave. 

    I would rather not hear from him at all and he left us to climb our way out of this mess,        
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,611
    ThomasD said:
    iainment said:
    ThomasD said:
    BDL said:
    You know what, with all the shit that's going down at the moment in the world, I don't give a flying f*ck for what Football Manager Boy wants to say or do. Just probabaly best to ignore from now on, that chapter is closed.
    Gets exposed for being a liar and suddenly the chapter is closed. Shocker


    Look mate however you dress it up and try to wriggle out of it you are part of the most disastrous event in Charlton’s history. Without the likes of you enabling Duchatelet’s delusional time in charge Charlton might not now still to be struggling out of the shit hole you put us in.
    Just fuck off.
    Well that's it for me lads. I told myself to stop posting when these kinds of reactions would start to come in. 

    Thanks to the fans that appreciated me telling my story and good luck in the future! 
    Good.
    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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