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Supporters group meeting with Matt Southall - Friday 24th January
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Where does the “His Excellency” stuff come from? Is that a formal title bestowed upon him or has he just started calling himself it?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?0 -
Was going to ask about the undersoil heating, it’s things like that, the state of the floodlights, things covered in thick dust and grim, that just make the place look a big rough, when with a little love it’ll be great4
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That was Murrays quote while the Belgians sat there laughing.Henry Irving said:
And praising Brentford last night.Covered End said:
Quite, which is why we keep hearing MS talking about sponsorship.Scoham said:
£39m.Covered End said:
I don't think the more flashy option is realistically possible, without contravening FFP, even if we wanted and were able to.killerandflash said:
"Brighton, Burnley, Brentford and Sheffield United are role models."castrust said:
4 well run clubs, but that would suggest that our aims are more the Curbishley/Murray years than anything more flashy (which is fine with me)
Yes I know we may be close to break even this year, but we can still "only" lose £13M per season and £45M over 3 seasons going forward (if I'm correct).
So we can't spend an extra £10M in transfer fees and £5M in wages every year.
Any supporters that desire this, need to be realistic.
It’ll be interesting to see if we end up with a sponsor from the Middle East, that would be one way to increase what we can spend.
Longer term I can see us doing it through player sales. A good Championship season can make a player worth £10-20m.
I don’t want our better players to be sold, but I’d much rather we were the club selling them for £10m in the Championship than the one selling them for £1m in League 1.
He said players will be sold but only after we've had them for a few years and for decent money.
Of course, very similar was said six years ago.5 -
I think we've only lost one game due to a frozen pitch since then, so on a purely financial basis it's touch and go whether it was a mistake or notDansk_Red said:SoundAsa£ said:I would have asked if there is a project in hand to hook up the underground soil heating at The Valley to the long awaited boiler?
Actually I can’t remember if there is a boiler somewhere in situ or one needs to be bought?
No boiler was ever installed. It is a requirement of the PL that undersoil heating is operational, but with "global warming" it may not ever be used.0 -
Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?2 -
Some people won't want to read this but MS praised Richard Murray and credited him for brokering a large part of the deal.5
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I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st3 -
i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I just can't see how he can given the contracts that have been in place from before, and the calibre of business people he's dealing with, with regards to HE / Heller and their teams, not so much MS.aliwibble said:
Yep. I can entirely see why ESI would have wanted to structure the deal in such a way as a result of the time pressures relating to the transfer window, but I don't trust Roland not to shaft us given the opportunity. Until he's completely gone I'm not going to be happy.Arsenetatters said:I just want Duchâtelet out completely, regardless of assurances that ESI own the leasehold. I don’t trust Roland an inch.Agree.If there's a stitch up coming (and I'm not expecting one) then it would be two sheds on the receiving end.1 -
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Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?If he was a Sheikh it would be HH, not HE.He is definitely not an Al Nahyan family member0 -
His Excellency Henry Irving.....has a ring to it.se9addick said:
Where does the “His Excellency” stuff come from? Is that a formal title bestowed upon him or has he just started calling himself it?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?1 - Sponsored links:
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That's called a "Carlsberg" take overbobmunro said:i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I just can't see how he can given the contracts that have been in place from before, and the calibre of business people he's dealing with, with regards to HE / Heller and their teams, not so much MS.aliwibble said:
Yep. I can entirely see why ESI would have wanted to structure the deal in such a way as a result of the time pressures relating to the transfer window, but I don't trust Roland not to shaft us given the opportunity. Until he's completely gone I'm not going to be happy.Arsenetatters said:I just want Duchâtelet out completely, regardless of assurances that ESI own the leasehold. I don’t trust Roland an inch.Agree.If there's a stitch up coming (and I'm not expecting one) then it would be two sheds on the receiving end.1 -
No.SoundAsa£ said:
Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is the head of the Private Office ( read sovereign wealth fund) of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahoon Mohammed Al Nayan.
As I understand it there are several ‘Royal’ families in the UAE and based around Abu Dhabi.
There is no direct link of money from the Royal Family (est net worth $15bn) to ESI.His Excellency is an honorific title that I remember reading can be given by the Royal families to extremely trusted advisers. That is His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer.No one really knows how much money of his own or of the Royal Family is being invested. Probably never know.7 -
Now we know that Paul McCarthy reads Charlton Life I’d just like to point out to Paul that my support for the Australian bid was only fleeting, as anyone here will confirm.36
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It is of course nigh on impossible to know the exact wealth of these individuals.cabbles said:
I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st
I have read that Sheik Nimmer (I shall continue to call him a Sheik until I am categorically informed otherwise), has 60 companies in his portfolio with net value of between 15 to18 billion ! How much of that he actually has at his disposal is of course another thing altogether.
His Excellencies wealth is equally ambiguous, with the extended families wealth estimated at 10 times that.
Who knows the truth of the matter, given that we are talking figures here that are beyond being conceivable. Let’s say even if they are worth only 10% of those figures being touted, we are still talking very very serious wonga!
Another thing of course is how readily large sums are currently available either personally or corporate and just what they are prepared to spend both in the short and long term.
”May you live in interesting times.”2 -
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is categorically not a Sheikh.SoundAsa£ said:
It is of course nigh on impossible to know the exact wealth of these individuals.cabbles said:
I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st
I have read that Sheik Nimmer (I shall continue to call him a Sheik until I am categorically informed otherwise), has 60 companies in his portfolio with net value of between 15 to18 billion ! How much of that he actually has at his disposal is of course another thing altogether.
His Excellencies wealth is equally ambiguous, with the extended families wealth estimated at 10 times that.
Who knows the truth of the matter, given that we are talking figures here that are beyond being conceivable. Let’s say even if they are worth only 10% of those figures being touted, we are talking very very serious wonga!
Another thing of course is how readily large sums are currently available either personally or corporate and just what they are prepared to spend both in the short and long term.
”May you live interesting times.”Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahnoun Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan, is a Sheikh. They are not the same person.
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"May you live in interesting times" is a curse !1
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Is that the two_sheds living in a modest terraced house in Milton Keynes?bobmunro said:i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I just can't see how he can given the contracts that have been in place from before, and the calibre of business people he's dealing with, with regards to HE / Heller and their teams, not so much MS.aliwibble said:
Yep. I can entirely see why ESI would have wanted to structure the deal in such a way as a result of the time pressures relating to the transfer window, but I don't trust Roland not to shaft us given the opportunity. Until he's completely gone I'm not going to be happy.Arsenetatters said:I just want Duchâtelet out completely, regardless of assurances that ESI own the leasehold. I don’t trust Roland an inch.Agree.If there's a stitch up coming (and I'm not expecting one) then it would be two sheds on the receiving end.1 -
I would just like to be able to smirk at fans of other clubs saying we have undersoil heating.killerandflash said:
I think we've only lost one game due to a frozen pitch since then, so on a purely financial basis it's touch and go whether it was a mistake or notDansk_Red said:SoundAsa£ said:I would have asked if there is a project in hand to hook up the underground soil heating at The Valley to the long awaited boiler?
Actually I can’t remember if there is a boiler somewhere in situ or one needs to be bought?
No boiler was ever installed. It is a requirement of the PL that undersoil heating is operational, but with "global warming" it may not ever be used.
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I can categorically inform you that Nimer is not a sheikh.6
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You have a typo.Alwaysneil said:
No.SoundAsa£ said:
Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is the head of the Private Office ( read sovereign wealth fund) of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahoon Mohammed Al Nayan.
As I understand it there are several ‘Royal’ families in the UAE and based around Abu Dhabi.
There is no direct link of money from the Royal Family (est net worth $15bn) to ESI.His Excellency is an homofiric title that I remember reading can be given by the Royal families to extremely trusted advisers. That is His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer.No one really knows how much money of his own or of the Royal Family is being invested. Probably never know.
It's honorific not homofiric.
Honorific adjective- given as a mark of respect but having few or no duties."he was elevated to the honorific status of ‘Dom’"
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What do you want a personal letter from HE telling you that he is not a Sheikh ? :-)SoundAsa£ said:rmed otherwise),
It is of course nigh on impossible to know the exact wealth of these individuals.cabbles said:
I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st
I have read that Sheik Nimmer (I shall continue to call him a Sheik until I am categorically infohas 60 companies in his portfolio with net value of between 15 to18 billion ! How much of that he actually has at his disposal is of course another thing altogether.
His Excellencies wealth is equally ambiguous, with the extended families wealth estimated at 10 times that.
Who knows the truth of the matter, given that we are talking figures here that are beyond being conceivable. Let’s say even if they are worth only 10% of those figures being touted, we are still talking very very serious wonga!
Another thing of course is how readily large sums are currently available either personally or corporate and just what they are prepared to spend both in the short and long term.
”May you live in interesting times.”
In your post you have them the wrong way round.
The Sheikh is Al Nahyan. (Remember the Sheikh is called Al, "call me Al").
His top employee is Nimer.
Nimer runs the office of the Sheikh controlling 60 companies.
Nimer is not royalty, the His Excellency title was bestowed/given to him, presumably by the Sheikh.0 -
I know that!!!Alwaysneil said:
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is categorically not a Sheikh.SoundAsa£ said:
It is of course nigh on impossible to know the exact wealth of these individuals.cabbles said:
I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st
I have read that Sheik Nimmer (I shall continue to call him a Sheik until I am categorically informed otherwise), has 60 companies in his portfolio with net value of between 15 to18 billion ! How much of that he actually has at his disposal is of course another thing altogether.
His Excellencies wealth is equally ambiguous, with the extended families wealth estimated at 10 times that.
Who knows the truth of the matter, given that we are talking figures here that are beyond being conceivable. Let’s say even if they are worth only 10% of those figures being touted, we are talking very very serious wonga!
Another thing of course is how readily large sums are currently available either personally or corporate and just what they are prepared to spend both in the short and long term.
”May you live interesting times.”Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahnoun Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan, is a Sheikh. They are not the same person.
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He is a portfolio manager , I’m not sure whoever is trusting him with their gazillions would have spunk some dough on a football club in SE7 as part of their remit for a puntSoundAsa£ said:
It is of course nigh on impossible to know the exact wealth of these individuals.cabbles said:
I don’t think Nimer is super wealthy, it’s more his connections to the very wealthy and his position that I believe he will leverage to make us successful.oohaahmortimer said:
This is where I’m confused , the private secretary of someone super duper wealthy , does that mean our man is wealthy as in more money than sense in order to burn money slowly on this project .cabbles said: I think that if you take the time to consider that we are being backed by the private sec to one of the ruling families of the UAE, this is big boy s*** for want of a better term.
No idea how it works out there but would a secretary of a rich person be loaded enough or is he trying to raise the capital through his contacts or prolly a bit of both .
What I’m saying is is he loaded or not !I am only picking up on what was said by those on here based out in the Middle East and the fact that Nimer is himself, head of a business that has a portfolio of 60 successful businesses
I believe this has to be success for him and the family he represents, so they will make a good fist of it
The sustainably angle is pleasing to me, and I appreciate that they are being well advised PR wise, but, the one thing I am confident of is that they will not want any ties to RD.
I do think people may not be as ‘whelmed’ as they were at the start of the month with incomings, but I don’t believe that will be down to ESI, more due to the fact we won’t get value for money and won’t be held to ransom. I’m okay with that, hope others will be too, understand if that’s not the case come the 31st
I have read that Sheik Nimmer (I shall continue to call him a Sheik until I am categorically informed otherwise), has 60 companies in his portfolio with net value of between 15 to18 billion ! How much of that he actually has at his disposal is of course another thing altogether.
His Excellencies wealth is equally ambiguous, with the extended families wealth estimated at 10 times that.
Who knows the truth of the matter, given that we are talking figures here that are beyond being conceivable. Let’s say even if they are worth only 10% of those figures being touted, we are still talking very very serious wonga!
Another thing of course is how readily large sums are currently available either personally or corporate and just what they are prepared to spend both in the short and long term.
”May you live in interesting times.”0 -
AFKA’s started asking all the other mods to refer to him as his excellency now as well. Bloody honorificism gone mad13
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cabbles said:AFKA’s started asking all the other mods to refer to him as his excellency now as well. Bloody honorificism gone madBut who bestowed the title? Not sure it works if the person bestows it on themselves.Was it that @i_b_b_o_r_g ?3
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Well, he could hardly call himself His Highnesscabbles said:AFKA’s started asking all the other mods to refer to him as his excellency now as well. Bloody honorificism gone mad
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And the only thing that matters, is what is actually spent. So far it looks very like they are going to run a tight ship and avoid any risky speculation. I don't think the average Charlton fan would mind that at all. We just need to stop all this "we're fucking rich" nonsense and adjust expectations accordingly. Similarly, given our bitter personal experiences, it's understandable we remain on watch about anything that threatens the security or long-term future of our club. Failure to own the Valley or Sparrows Lane would de one serious such concern.Alwaysneil said:
No.SoundAsa£ said:
Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is the head of the Private Office ( read sovereign wealth fund) of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahoon Mohammed Al Nayan.
As I understand it there are several ‘Royal’ families in the UAE and based around Abu Dhabi.
There is no direct link of money from the Royal Family (est net worth $15bn) to ESI.His Excellency is an homofiric title that I remember reading can be given by the Royal families to extremely trusted advisers. That is His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer.No one really knows how much money of his own or of the Royal Family is being invested. Probably never know.19 -
Thanks, yes was a typo.Covered End said:
You have a typo.Alwaysneil said:
No.SoundAsa£ said:
Are you sure of that?Covered End said:
Nimer works for a Sheikh, but is not one himself.SoundAsa£ said:Not quite sure from your post exactly who you are asking is wealthy.....Matt Southall or Sheik Nimmer.....or even the real No1 honcho (the head of the family), His Excellency Sheik etc etc etc?
I though his title is Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Nimmer.
The No1 honcho (head of the extended family and also an investor ), is entitled to have the title of “His Excellency“ Sheik Saeed Bin Tahoon Bin Mohammed Al Nahyan.
Is that correct?
His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer is the head of the Private Office ( read sovereign wealth fund) of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahoon Mohammed Al Nayan.
As I understand it there are several ‘Royal’ families in the UAE and based around Abu Dhabi.
There is no direct link of money from the Royal Family (est net worth $15bn) to ESI.His Excellency is an homofiric title that I remember reading can be given by the Royal families to extremely trusted advisers. That is His Excellency Tahnoon Nimer.No one really knows how much money of his own or of the Royal Family is being invested. Probably never know.
It's honorific not homofiric.
Honorific adjective- given as a mark of respect but having few or no duties."he was elevated to the honorific status of ‘Dom’"
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As well as not trusting Roland I also want him to have absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of the club. I want him out completely, no sign of his name on anything to do with Charlton.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I just can't see ESI getting knocked by RD, which is the context of Arsenetatters' post. If anything, I reckon RD would be the one to get his fingers burnt, out the twose9addick said:
Contracts are easily amended and messily ignored, happens every day.Covered End said:
Trust shouldn't come into it, if there are legally binding contracts.Arsenetatters said:I just want Duchâtelet out completely, regardless of assurances that ESI own the leasehold. I don’t trust Roland an inch.
With zero involvement of him can make thousands rest easy for our futurre.3
