Every time people see that others are flouting the rules and getting away with it, more and more think that it is okay to forget about social distancing.
Although we've never had a proper lockdown, like some of the more successful countries at controlling the spread of the virus, there has been a gradual increase in people failing to observe the rules.
It started with Dominic Cummings, then when people were allowed to travel in May, we saw people flocking to beaches. Then came all the protests which were illegal mass gatherings and shouldn't have been allowed. Many people now think that it okay to do exactly as they please; there are illegal street parties and raves and disgusting behaviour by people flocking to beaches.
The Police have a difficult enough job to do and people flouting the rules know they don't have the ability to stop antisocial acts.
Can’t understand the comment that we never had a proper lockdown. For almost 6 weeks I only left the house for exercise an hour a day.
On Day 1 of lockdown was plenty of teenagers hanging around in groups in my area. If you asked most people under the age of 20 whether they followed locked down rules I imagine they would probably say no.
Police didn’t have any issue tracking with drones the old couple walking in Derbyshire back in March.
That shows we didnt have a proper lockdown imo. As many of us played by the rules. Many also didnt.
There are some ghastly pictorial government health warnings on cigarettes.
Maybe we should have placards displaying people on ventilation, explaining there are already 42,000 dead people, hundreds dying each week and by attending mass events you are directly responsible for killing even more.
Joe Blunt? Whatever it takes.
N.b. I do believe in the nation returning to work and social restrictions being lifted, but gradually and in a controlled manner.
Other countries did have proper lockdowns, Spain and Italy were much tougher than we were in the UK and didn't have the freedom we had here.
People were allowed out supposedly for exercise for one hour, but as you say @SouthWest_Addicks teenagers were flouting the rules and gathering in groups from day 1.
The Police were criticised for being too harsh in their interpretation of Government advice and so then took a more lenient line. Now it is impossible for them to keep control when people ignore the rules.
Yeah exactly, our lockdown was not strict enough, it was just like a normal day out there from the beginning of it, there's going to be a second peak etc etc.
Over in Europe they all followed the rules of their lockdown, no one ever put a belt around a cuddly bear and pretended they were taking a dog for a walk to get around the rules.
the real bugbear of mine has been the litter you've seen people leave behind on the beaches, it's not as if people have taken it with them to the bin, realised the bins are full and left it next to the bin, they've literally just left it on the sand where they were sitting
who do they expect is gonna go round and clear all that up at the end of the day???
litter drives me mental, simply no excuse to just drop rubbish on the floor anywhere at all. put it in the bin or take it home
Every time people see that others are flouting the rules and getting away with it, more and more think that it is okay to forget about social distancing.
Although we've never had a proper lockdown, like some of the more successful countries at controlling the spread of the virus, there has been a gradual increase in people failing to observe the rules.
It started with Dominic Cummings, then when people were allowed to travel in May, we saw people flocking to beaches. Then came all the protests which were illegal mass gatherings and shouldn't have been allowed. Many people now think that it okay to do exactly as they please; there are illegal street parties and raves and disgusting behaviour by people flocking to beaches.
The Police have a difficult enough job to do and people flouting the rules know they don't have the ability to stop antisocial acts.
It’s a bit harsh saying going to the beach is disgusting behaviour and flouting rules. It’s allowed. It should be policed/marshalled better with the policing and marshalling in place before the beaches opened.
im sure I will be questioned on how I would police this. I haven’t got a clue as this is outside my expertise but it should have been thought through and a condition of the beaches opening
Every time people see that others are flouting the rules and getting away with it, more and more think that it is okay to forget about social distancing.
Although we've never had a proper lockdown, like some of the more successful countries at controlling the spread of the virus, there has been a gradual increase in people failing to observe the rules.
It started with Dominic Cummings, then when people were allowed to travel in May, we saw people flocking to beaches. Then came all the protests which were illegal mass gatherings and shouldn't have been allowed. Many people now think that it okay to do exactly as they please; there are illegal street parties and raves and disgusting behaviour by people flocking to beaches.
The Police have a difficult enough job to do and people flouting the rules know they don't have the ability to stop antisocial acts.
Can’t understand the comment that we never had a proper lockdown. For almost 6 weeks I only left the house for exercise an hour a day.
On Day 1 of lockdown was plenty of teenagers hanging around in groups in my area. If you asked most people under the age of 20 whether they followed locked down rules I imagine they would probably say no.
Police didn’t have any issue tracking with drones the old couple walking in Derbyshire back in March.
That shows we didnt have a proper lockdown imo. As many of us played by the rules. Many also didnt.
That’s the same argument for anything. It’s arguable that we don’t have a tax system, because some people pay tax whilst other deliberately avoid it.
Personally, I think people a lot of people are bored of the restrictions, and don’t care about it anymore. Will more government restrictions make them care, properly not. Will an increase death rate make them care, probably not.
A large percent of articles suggest a form of social distancing will exist until 2021. People are unwilling to accept that and have decided against the new normal.
Also, once again this is not an endorsement for people going to the beach and especially to those who leave litter (which happens in and out of a pandemic) who should have a special place in hell. But if you look at pictures which are not from a side angle, such as this one from the Guardian, or the news footage which panned across the beach on the BBC yesterday (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209) - you can see that people are not exactly in each others pockets.
So come on then what really changes on the 4th of July? This summer shall we say half the people who go abroad won't be going abroad? The hotels start to open on the 4th of July, now I've been looking at the one in Eastbourne we go to. The bar and restaurant will be closed and it looks like your just be in your room with nothing else to do in the hotel, So if I don't want to be in my room for the whole time I'm there where else will I be going?. I don't think for the seaside resorts it gets any easier from the 4th of July, in fact in terms of numbers I think there will be more heading to the beaches. Hotels, holiday camps opening and due to social distancing there will be f@ck all to do on site. To make it easier this summer just close the seaside resort and have them open to locals only, keep the hotels and holiday camps closed and everyone will know where they are. I will await someone to tell me, but hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost that shops , hotels and b and bs will close. Or are we saying limit the number of visitors to a place , with the police turning back people in their cars when a seaside town has reached its numbers. If I decide to go down the coast on the 5th of July how will I know how busy it will be till I get down there?
just seen the news, 33 tonnes of rubbish alone left on Bournemouth beach yesterday !!
The people that continue to go down there today, are the real dregs of society
Much, much quieter at the moment.
I had a run along the prom at 06:30 and the refuse guys have done a fantastic job overnight clearing up the litter left behind by some of our more scumier visitors. Supported by volunteers today who were doing a litter pick too. It's soul destroying to see the state of the beach on some days but the council do a fabulous job cleaning it, it's just a lot more difficult at the moment due to the situation.
Sadly, not everyone recognises a great job when they see it and can't wait to jump onto the councils back if its not spotless 24 hours a day.
Every time people see that others are flouting the rules and getting away with it, more and more think that it is okay to forget about social distancing.
Although we've never had a proper lockdown, like some of the more successful countries at controlling the spread of the virus, there has been a gradual increase in people failing to observe the rules.
It started with Dominic Cummings, then when people were allowed to travel in May, we saw people flocking to beaches. Then came all the protests which were illegal mass gatherings and shouldn't have been allowed. Many people now think that it okay to do exactly as they please; there are illegal street parties and raves and disgusting behaviour by people flocking to beaches.
The Police have a difficult enough job to do and people flouting the rules know they don't have the ability to stop antisocial acts.
It’s a bit harsh saying going to the beach is disgusting behaviour and flouting rules. It’s allowed. It should be policed/marshalled better with the policing and marshalling in place before the beaches opened.
im sure I will be questioned on how I would police this. I haven’t got a clue as this is outside my expertise but it should have been thought through and a condition of the beaches opening
It isn't just going to the beach for a lot of them. There was a piece on BBC South East last night about gatherings of young people on the sea front every night. They were drunk, some were fighting, taking drugs, defacating behind the beach huts and leaving enormous amounts of rubbish for others to clear up.
Also, once again this is not an endorsement for people going to the beach and especially to those who leave litter (which happens in and out of a pandemic) who should have a special place in hell. But if you look at pictures which are not from a side angle, such as this one from the Guardian, or the news footage which panned across the beach on the BBC yesterday (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209) - you can see that people are not exactly in each others pockets.
There are always parts of the beach that are quieter than others and if course it depends on what time of day this was taken - it was still busy at 22:00 last night.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
just seen the news, 33 tonnes of rubbish alone left on Bournemouth beach yesterday !!
The people that continue to go down there today, are the real dregs of society
Much, much quieter at the moment.
I had a run along the prom at 06:30 and the refuse guys have done a fantastic job overnight clearing up the litter left behind by some of our more scumier visitors. Supported by volunteers today who were doing a litter pick too. It's sole destroying to see the state of the beach on some days but the council do a fabulous job cleaning it, it's just a lot more difficult at the moment due to the situation.
Sadly, not everyone recognises a great job when they see it and can't wait to job onto the councils back if its not spotless 24 hours a day.
It all comes at a time when Councils need every penny and are having to spend more on clearing up the mess of a load of morons, who managed to take their rubbish there but are too lazy to take it home.
So come on then what really changes on the 4th of July? This summer shall we say half the people who go abroad won't be going abroad? The hotels start to open on the 4th of July, now I've been looking at the one in Eastbourne we go to. The bar and restaurant will be closed and it looks like your just be in your room with nothing else to do in the hotel, So if I don't want to be in my room for the whole time I'm there where else will I be going?. I don't think for the seaside resorts it gets any easier from the 4th of July, in fact in terms of numbers I think there will be more heading to the beaches. Hotels, holiday camps opening and due to social distancing there will be f@ck all to do on site. To make it easier this summer just close the seaside resort and have them open to locals only, keep the hotels and holiday camps closed and everyone will know where they are. I will await someone to tell me, but hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost that shops , hotels and b and bs will close. Or are we saying limit the number of visitors to a place , with the police turning back people in their cars when a seaside town has reached its numbers. If I decide to go down the coast on the 5th of July how will I know how busy it will be till I get down there?
We have a beautiful country and there are so many lovely places for people to see. Use those hotels etc. as a base to visit our wonderful country.
There are always parts of the beach that are quieter than others and if course it depends on what time of day this was taken - it was still busy at 22:00 last night.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
I completely understand it was busy. It's hot, and people are not at work, and kids are not at school yet they cannot really travel abroad, but are allowed to go where they want, when they want. The point I am making, and it is not a 'weird agenda' is yes perhaps it is not as bad as you think it is. I have been hearing from day one of lockdown through to VE day, to 4 weeks ago when people where going to the beaches about how 'it's just a normal day', no one cares about social distancing and there is going to be a second peak. There are plenty of posts on this forum around this.
Yet, that clearly was not the case, the transmission rate of the virus and amount of positive cases has continued to decline. Perhaps even in busy environments like the beach separate households and groups of friends are maybe actually keeping their distance and not mixing with each other. As I mentioned if you look at photos and video footage which are not from a side on angle people are not actually crammed like sardines in tin cans and in each others pockets.
If you are worried about people walking past each other and rubbing shoulders (where the chances of catching the virus are very low), then I am surprised you even leave your house as that happens everywhere, whether you are walking down the street, on a countryside walk. down the aisle of a shop or off a beach. If people are getting worried about crowds of people outside now, then I dread to think how they will feel when pubs, restaurants etc reopen.
There is no excuse for piss poor, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour, which happens in and out of a pandemic, but I imagine the majority of people are actually being sensible.
There are always parts of the beach that are quieter than others and if course it depends on what time of day this was taken - it was still busy at 22:00 last night.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
I completely understand it was busy. It's hot, and people are not at work, and kids are not at school yet they cannot really travel abroad, but are allowed to go where they want, when they want. The point I am making, and it is not a 'weird agenda' is yes perhaps it is not as bad as you think it is. I have been hearing from day one of lockdown through to VE day, to 4 weeks ago when people where going to the beaches about how 'it's just a normal day', no one cares about social distancing and there is going to be a second peak. There are plenty of posts on this forum around this.
Yet, that clearly was not the case, the transmission rate of the virus and amount of positive cases has continued to decline. Perhaps even in busy environments like the beach separate households and groups of friends are maybe actually keeping their distance and not mixing with each other. As I mentioned if you look at photos and video footage which are not from a side on angle people are not actually crammed like sardines in tin cans and in each others pockets.
If you are worried about people walking past each other and rubbing shoulders (where the chances of catching the virus are very low), then I am surprised you even leave your house as that happens everywhere, whether you are walking down the street, on a countryside walk. down the aisle of a shop or off a beach. If people are getting worried about crowds of people outside now, then I dread to think how they will feel when pubs, restaurants etc reopen.
There is no excuse for piss poor, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour, which happens in and out of a pandemic, but I imagine the majority of people are actually being sensible.
OK, we'll just have to agree to disagree about what I've seen for myself on a regular basis. Clearly I'm seeing things that aren't there.
There are always parts of the beach that are quieter than others and if course it depends on what time of day this was taken - it was still busy at 22:00 last night.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
I completely understand it was busy. It's hot, and people are not at work, and kids are not at school yet they cannot really travel abroad, but are allowed to go where they want, when they want. The point I am making, and it is not a 'weird agenda' is yes perhaps it is not as bad as you think it is. I have been hearing from day one of lockdown through to VE day, to 4 weeks ago when people where going to the beaches about how 'it's just a normal day', no one cares about social distancing and there is going to be a second peak. There are plenty of posts on this forum around this.
Yet, that clearly was not the case, the transmission rate of the virus and amount of positive cases has continued to decline. Perhaps even in busy environments like the beach separate households and groups of friends are maybe actually keeping their distance and not mixing with each other. As I mentioned if you look at photos and video footage which are not from a side on angle people are not actually crammed like sardines in tin cans and in each others pockets.
If you are worried about people walking past each other and rubbing shoulders (where the chances of catching the virus are very low), then I am surprised you even leave your house as that happens everywhere, whether you are walking down the street, on a countryside walk. down the aisle of a shop or off a beach. If people are getting worried about crowds of people outside now, then I dread to think how they will feel when pubs, restaurants etc reopen.
There is no excuse for piss poor, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour, which happens in and out of a pandemic, but I imagine the majority of people are actually being sensible.
There are always parts of the beach that are quieter than others and if course it depends on what time of day this was taken - it was still busy at 22:00 last night.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
I completely understand it was busy. It's hot, and people are not at work, and kids are not at school yet they cannot really travel abroad, but are allowed to go where they want, when they want. The point I am making, and it is not a 'weird agenda' is yes perhaps it is not as bad as you think it is. I have been hearing from day one of lockdown through to VE day, to 4 weeks ago when people where going to the beaches about how 'it's just a normal day', no one cares about social distancing and there is going to be a second peak. There are plenty of posts on this forum around this.
Yet, that clearly was not the case, the transmission rate of the virus and amount of positive cases has continued to decline. Perhaps even in busy environments like the beach separate households and groups of friends are maybe actually keeping their distance and not mixing with each other. As I mentioned if you look at photos and video footage which are not from a side on angle people are not actually crammed like sardines in tin cans and in each others pockets.
If you are worried about people walking past each other and rubbing shoulders (where the chances of catching the virus are very low), then I am surprised you even leave your house as that happens everywhere, whether you are walking down the street, on a countryside walk. down the aisle of a shop or off a beach. If people are getting worried about crowds of people outside now, then I dread to think how they will feel when pubs, restaurants etc reopen.
There is no excuse for piss poor, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour, which happens in and out of a pandemic, but I imagine the majority of people are actually being sensible.
really?, I'd argue they aren't just by going.
Are people not going to be sensible when they go to pubs and restaurants when they reopen?
the real bugbear of mine has been the litter you've seen people leave behind on the beaches, it's not as if people have taken it with them to the bin, realised the bins are full and left it next to the bin, they've literally just left it on the sand where they were sitting
who do they expect is gonna go round and clear all that up at the end of the day???
litter drives me mental, simply no excuse to just drop rubbish on the floor anywhere at all. put it in the bin or take it home
should be much bigger fines for littering
By the riverside in Eynsford is a nightmare. Lots of people close together, kids in the river close together, parking illegally so delivery people can’t get through. The amount of rubbish left is unbelievable - and not even by the bins, exactly where the people were sitting. Oh and obviously people have to shit in gardens, on driveways etc.
There’s been a lot of anti social behaviour here lately. People threatened, bottles smashed in the river where the kids paddle. A man died in Lullingstone from a heart attack following a confrontation with a couple of youngsters who have been arrested for manslaughter. The Police promised a bigger ( not difficult) presence. The traffic warden can only work with a police presence but that’s not happening. What a lovely village in Kent this has become, where locals are afraid to go down to the river.
I think a lot of the people here, and at the beaches, are the ones who have never had lockdown. They’ve barged round the shops, gone where they want with whoever they want and treated this whole thing as a bloody holiday. Now the weather is hot they’ve gone to the coast. God knows what you can do about it.
Yet I can absolutely guarantee there will be no , drunks , fights , ignorance of the rules ,swearing or any unruly behaviour at all in my pub , why is that?
The behaviour in the pub is the manager’s responsibility.
The behaviour on the beaches is the responsibility of whoever controls said beach.
Different people will handle it differently but there is always someone that is responsible for any given area whether it be roads , beaches , pubs or shops & whether it’s the council the police , MOD, private operators etc it’s someone’s duty to control.
Yet I can absolutely guarantee there will be no , drunks , fights , ignorance of the rules ,swearing or any unruly behaviour at all in my pub , why is that?
The behaviour in the pub is the manager’s responsibility.
The behaviour on the beaches is the responsibility of whoever controls said beach.
Different people will handle it differently but there is always someone that is responsible for any given area whether it be roads , beaches , pubs or shops & whether it’s the council the police , MOD, private operators etc it’s someone’s duty to control.
This is all very easy to say, harder in practice.
Imagine your pub was open but every other pub for miles around was closed. Someone in power tells everyone to go to your pub to enjoy themselves and have a good drink. You're suddenly inundated with drinkers from all over the area, some who've travelled for hours to get there. A lot of them are drunk, abusive, coked up, etc. before they turn up at your place. You can't refuse them entry, you can't close your pub, you've a third of the usual door/bar staff available, you can't throw money at the problem because you don't have any, and anyway you can't build an extension to your pub overnight.
You've got to keep everybody inside your pub safe and apart from each other even if they're being an completely abusive idiot themself and the Old Bill are busy dealing with a murder down the road so are telling you to sort it all out yourself. There's a crowd outside of helpful onlookers telling you how you should be running your pub and asking why you aren't closing (and refusing to believe it when you tell them you can't) and the press are waiting for you to mess up so they can run a story about how rubbish you are.
Is it your responsibility or a set of circumstances that led to a situation beyond your reasonable control?
I have today heard that the emergency services are preparing for the 4th July to be worse than New Year's Eve and on a par with 31st December 1999.
They think opening up the pubs on a Saturday is madness and should happen on a Monday. Another crazy decision by this Government who obviously don't think through the implications of their decisions.
I have today heard that the emergency services are preparing for the 4th July to be worse than New Year's Eve and on a par with 31st December 1999.
They think opening up the pubs on a Saturday is madness and should happen on a Monday. Another crazy decision by this Government who obviously don't think through the implications of their decisions.
I think every pub i know of is doing booking only, so I don’t see how it will be that hectic.
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Maybe we should have placards displaying people on ventilation, explaining there are already 42,000 dead people, hundreds dying each week and by attending mass events you are directly responsible for killing even more.
Joe Blunt? Whatever it takes.
N.b. I do believe in the nation returning to work and social restrictions being lifted, but gradually and in a controlled manner.
Over in Europe they all followed the rules of their lockdown, no one ever put a belt around a cuddly bear and pretended they were taking a dog for a walk to get around the rules.
who do they expect is gonna go round and clear all that up at the end of the day???
litter drives me mental, simply no excuse to just drop rubbish on the floor anywhere at all. put it in the bin or take it home
should be much bigger fines for littering
im sure I will be questioned on how I would police this. I haven’t got a clue as this is outside my expertise but it should have been thought through and a condition of the beaches opening
A large percent of articles suggest a form of social distancing will exist until 2021. People are unwilling to accept that and have decided against the new normal.
This summer shall we say half the people who go abroad won't be going abroad?
The hotels start to open on the 4th of July, now I've been looking at the one in Eastbourne we go to.
The bar and restaurant will be closed and it looks like your just be in your room with nothing else to do in the hotel, So if I don't want to be in my room for the whole time I'm there where else will I be going?.
I don't think for the seaside resorts it gets any easier from the 4th of July, in fact in terms of numbers I think there will be more heading to the beaches.
Hotels, holiday camps opening and due to social distancing there will be f@ck all to do on site.
To make it easier this summer just close the seaside resort and have them open to locals only, keep the hotels and holiday camps closed and everyone will know where they are.
I will await someone to tell me, but hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost that shops , hotels and b and bs will close.
Or are we saying limit the number of visitors to a place , with the police turning back people in their cars when a seaside town has reached its numbers.
If I decide to go down the coast on the 5th of July how will I know how busy it will be till I get down there?
I had a run along the prom at 06:30 and the refuse guys have done a fantastic job overnight clearing up the litter left behind by some of our more scumier visitors. Supported by volunteers today who were doing a litter pick too. It's soul destroying to see the state of the beach on some days but the council do a fabulous job cleaning it, it's just a lot more difficult at the moment due to the situation.
Sadly, not everyone recognises a great job when they see it and can't wait to jump onto the councils back if its not spotless 24 hours a day.
Also, you've not considered access points. Bournemouth beach is backed by cliffs. There are a handful of places where it's possible to access the beach without going down a narrow cliff zig-zag, in many places less than 2m before anyone is even on the path.
Also, I've flipping well seen it with my own eyes! Is everyone sitting less than 2m apart? No they're not but an awful lot are and if a single person managed to access or get off the beach yesterday without literally rubbing shoulders with another person I'd be amazed.
Also, it's not just the beach. It's piss poor, inconsiderate, ignorant behaviour on the trains down here, or in the car parks and roads, or in the gardens, or in the shops.
There seems to be a weird agenda in some parts to suggest it's not as bad as it is. Maybe when the pubs are open and this behaviour is enjoyed by other communities people might get it.
Yet, that clearly was not the case, the transmission rate of the virus and amount of positive cases has continued to decline. Perhaps even in busy environments like the beach separate households and groups of friends are maybe actually keeping their distance and not mixing with each other. As I mentioned if you look at photos and video footage which are not from a side on angle people are not actually crammed like sardines in tin cans and in each others pockets.
If you are worried about people walking past each other and rubbing shoulders (where the chances of catching the virus are very low), then I am surprised you even leave your house as that happens everywhere, whether you are walking down the street, on a countryside walk. down the aisle of a shop or off a beach. If people are getting worried about crowds of people outside now, then I dread to think how they will feel when pubs, restaurants etc reopen.
There is no excuse for piss poor, inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour, which happens in and out of a pandemic, but I imagine the majority of people are actually being sensible.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sheerness/news/two-stabbed-at-beach-rave-229338/
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/herne-bay/news/lockdown-litter-louts-229334/
We have allowed people to get away with far too much in this country.
The behaviour in the pub is the manager’s responsibility.
The behaviour on the beaches is the responsibility of whoever controls said beach.
Different people will handle it differently but there is always someone that is responsible for any given area whether it be roads , beaches , pubs or shops & whether it’s the council the police , MOD, private operators etc it’s someone’s duty to control.
Imagine your pub was open but every other pub for miles around was closed. Someone in power tells everyone to go to your pub to enjoy themselves and have a good drink. You're suddenly inundated with drinkers from all over the area, some who've travelled for hours to get there. A lot of them are drunk, abusive, coked up, etc. before they turn up at your place. You can't refuse them entry, you can't close your pub, you've a third of the usual door/bar staff available, you can't throw money at the problem because you don't have any, and anyway you can't build an extension to your pub overnight.
You've got to keep everybody inside your pub safe and apart from each other even if they're being an completely abusive idiot themself and the Old Bill are busy dealing with a murder down the road so are telling you to sort it all out yourself. There's a crowd outside of helpful onlookers telling you how you should be running your pub and asking why you aren't closing (and refusing to believe it when you tell them you can't) and the press are waiting for you to mess up so they can run a story about how rubbish you are.
Is it your responsibility or a set of circumstances that led to a situation beyond your reasonable control?
They think opening up the pubs on a Saturday is madness and should happen on a Monday. Another crazy decision by this Government who obviously don't think through the implications of their decisions.