Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
A country is entitled to make their rules, yes, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be challenged.
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
What is the case in the UK?
I'm trying to work it out. The UK government website seems to be saying that quarantine is necessary even for vaccinated citizens with a negative test. The French government website seems to be saying no entry at all.
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
I really don't see how this can be - what are you referring to? I am on a Which? facebook site and there are lots of people travelling to the UK fine, British citizens and other nationalities.
(Although no one has a divine right even if it is their own country for various reasons including not having a valid passport)
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
If you are referring to the guidance you posted on the other thread, I think you have misunderstood what it is referring to. I have commented on the other thread - it is do with with travelling to/through France and not requirements to enter the UK
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
Nothing about being banned from entry... As long as you comply with the rules.
see my post - think he's confusing requirements for going to/through France (depending on whether you are going from/to the UK) and nothing to do with requirements for entering the UK
So, back to Novaxx, the news that a relatively obscure Czech player, Renata Voracova, has been caught in the same trap, is throwing a sharper focus on Tennis Australia. Unlike Novaxx, she actually got through border control and had already played a match before the border police came and carted her off to the same hotel. She has decided to tell the Aussies where to shove their tournament and is returning home. Here is what she has told the Czech press:
"I did everything they asked for. They didn't just give an exception just like that. Tennis Australia claimed that the covid infection in the past six months was enough. Maybe they misled us, which is annoying. I wanted to focus on tennis and not on visas, quarantine. It's weird that I spent that week, played a match ... and then they came for me."
From her words here, I assume that she too has not been jabbed; however she also seems to confirm what has been suggested re Novaxx, that Tennis Australia said a covid infection recovery in the last 6 months was OK, when in fact they had no grounds for saying that. The difference of course is that neither she nor the Czech government have accused "Australia" of "stomping on the Czech Republic", although the consulate has sent the Oz govt a letter of complaint, which presumably focuses on the confusion of advice, and the fact that she actually passed the border control! She just hasn't done the "Don't you know who I am" act, and actually neither would Petra Kvitova have done that in her shoes.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of two bell-ends- Novaxx, and Oz PM Scott Morrison.
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
Then I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about, even unvaccinated brits can enter Britain.
So, back to Novaxx, the news that a relatively obscure Czech player, Renata Voracova, has been caught in the same trap, is throwing a sharper focus on Tennis Australia. Unlike Novaxx, she actually got through border control and had already played a match before the border police came and carted her off to the same hotel. She has decided to tell the Aussies where to shove their tournament and is returning home. Here is what she has told the Czech press:
"I did everything they asked for. They didn't just give an exception just like that. Tennis Australia claimed that the covid infection in the past six months was enough. Maybe they misled us, which is annoying. I wanted to focus on tennis and not on visas, quarantine. It's weird that I spent that week, played a match ... and then they came for me."
From her words here, I assume that she too has not been jabbed; however she also seems to confirm what has been suggested re Novaxx, that Tennis Australia said a covid infection recovery in the last 6 months was OK, when in fact they had no grounds for saying that. The difference of course is that neither she nor the Czech government have accused "Australia" of "stomping on the Czech Republic", although the consulate has sent the Oz govt a letter of complaint, which presumably focuses on the confusion of advice, and the fact that she actually passed the border control! She just hasn't done the "Don't you know who I am" act, and actually neither would Petra Kvitova have done that in her shoes.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of two bell-ends- Novaxx, and Oz PM Scott Morrison.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of bell-ends - those choosing to be unvaccinated and Scott Morrison. Clearly you are wildly biased but why do you think the Czech player has been asked to leave? What is their vaccination status? Why do you think the Australians might take this extremely seriously given their very hardline attitude throughout the pandemic so far?
Go to a foreign country, abide by their rules, is how I’ve always behaved.
I know the parents are not the most reliable source, but it sure would be a nice side effect if this shines some light on how Australia treats immigrants and refugees.
I know the parents are not the most reliable source, but it sure would be a nice side effect if this shines some light on how Australia treats immigrants and refugees.
They always seem like accommodating Sports on Wanted Down Under.
Novak Djokovic: Leaked document damning proof Tennis Australia shared incorrect information
A
leaked email is damning proof players were misinformed about what was
required if they wished to contest the Australian Open but were not
vaccinated or had contracted Covid. READ THE DOCUMENT IN FULL
So, back to Novaxx, the news that a relatively obscure Czech player, Renata Voracova, has been caught in the same trap, is throwing a sharper focus on Tennis Australia. Unlike Novaxx, she actually got through border control and had already played a match before the border police came and carted her off to the same hotel. She has decided to tell the Aussies where to shove their tournament and is returning home. Here is what she has told the Czech press:
"I did everything they asked for. They didn't just give an exception just like that. Tennis Australia claimed that the covid infection in the past six months was enough. Maybe they misled us, which is annoying. I wanted to focus on tennis and not on visas, quarantine. It's weird that I spent that week, played a match ... and then they came for me."
From her words here, I assume that she too has not been jabbed; however she also seems to confirm what has been suggested re Novaxx, that Tennis Australia said a covid infection recovery in the last 6 months was OK, when in fact they had no grounds for saying that. The difference of course is that neither she nor the Czech government have accused "Australia" of "stomping on the Czech Republic", although the consulate has sent the Oz govt a letter of complaint, which presumably focuses on the confusion of advice, and the fact that she actually passed the border control! She just hasn't done the "Don't you know who I am" act, and actually neither would Petra Kvitova have done that in her shoes.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of two bell-ends- Novaxx, and Oz PM Scott Morrison.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of bell-ends - those choosing to be unvaccinated and Scott Morrison. Clearly you are wildly biased but why do you think the Czech player has been asked to leave? What is their vaccination status? Why do you think the Australians might take this extremely seriously given their very hardline attitude throughout the pandemic so far?
Go to a foreign country, abide by their rules, is how I’ve always behaved.
It looks like I didn’t express myself very well, since I would’ve supposed that you know me well enough, to know that I would agree 100% with your last sentence. However, it’s also important for us to judge people based on the facts, and what seems to be emerging is that you have in the mix a tennis organisation that may not have done its homework, but also a federal structure in Australia, whose workings we may not be so familiar with. Having listened to James O’Brien on Friday, with some callers from Australia, I’m now aware that each State has been implementing its own rules, and crossing State borders within Australia has been part of the nightmare that they have had to endure for the last two years. So in the case of the Czech player, I’m simply making the point that the rules have not been quite as clear cut as Morrison claims them to be, and it is possible that to some extent he is grandstanding, because according to my best buddy from Uni days, who is now an Oz citizen, that is Morrisons style.
Voracova has not yet said whether she is jabbed; however even if she is not, she’s not making some big “freedom” defence about it; she is simply saying that she followed the rules that were given to her by Tennis Australia; and now she has found out they are not the rules, she has accepted that, and gone home. However she is entitled to be pissed off, because she would have not bothered in the first place if she knew that she could not fulfil the actual rules of entry. Thats why I didnt come over to the opening game in August. I managed to discover the nonsense of the Day 2 PCRs and how much they cost, before I booked, and decided that I wasnt having any of that shit, even though it meant missing out on friends family and footie once again. However non Brits have not been so lucky in finding out about it.
Lets not pretend that incompetence and show-boating isnt inherent in the Covid policies both in the UK and, it turns out, our former colony. Novax can still do one because he is showboating too.
So he's probably asked someone to borrow a positive test and hoped that would make him OK?
I doubt that. More likely as Jo'B concluded yesterday, is that he hasn't got what JoB called a "Twitwarner" around him. I'm sure he wanted to say "Twatwarner", by which he means someone of influence who is willing and ready to call you out when you are being a twat. Novaxx doubtless has a team around him who are completely in awe of him, and completely unable to speak up when he is being a twat, which is quite often. They consequently read what they thought he'd want to read, when doing the paperwork.
All that said, I would really recommend to read Barney Ronay's take on Novax and this affair. As so often Barney shows he's a better man than me, despite being a Spanner. Deffo worth your time, even if at times his prose gets a bit flowery (and not in a Spanner way )
His team have released documents that say he tested positive on 16 December. I still chuck him out for being a dick.
There are photos circulating on Twitter of him attending a kids' tennis event on the 17th, indoors and with no masks. If it's true that he tested positive on the 16th, or even that he had reason to take a test and was waiting for the results, then TBH I'd be in favour of kicking him out of tennis permanently, never mind this one tournament. No excuse for deliberately putting kids and their families at risk (and yes, I know the risk of serious illness for the individual kids will be low).
Let's just hope he's being a dick and lying to the appeals process, in which case he can probably expect to be ineligible for an Australian visa in the future, rather than being a dick by deliberately spreading Covid.
Some of the overreactions to this is crazy. People are entitled to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I for one am vaccinated but respect other peoples choices if they don’t want to be
And a country is entitled to define what they accept for entry. You have to accept you will not be admitted if you don't comply. No special circs because (you think) you're extra special. Your choice and their choice
Should a country be allowed to refuse entry to triple vaccinated British citizens with a negative test, as is currently the case in the UK, isn't it?
If that’s their choice, absolutely, no one has a divine right to enter a foreign country.
I'm not talking about a foreign country. I'm talking about British citizens entering Britain.
Nothing about being banned from entry... As long as you comply with the rules.
This (attached) was what I was referring to.
Upon reflection, I would just pay attention to the UK website After all we are entering the UK so it's best to go by the UK website. When you arrive in the UK the authorities will refer to information and rules on their own website. Once in the UK, the French one would be irrelevant. It's best to ignore the French website as we're entering the UK. It's confusing for people coming from France though
So he's probably asked someone to borrow a positive test and hoped that would make him OK?
I doubt that. More likely as Jo'B concluded yesterday, is that he hasn't got what JoB called a "Twitwarner" around him. I'm sure he wanted to say "Twatwarner", by which he means someone of influence who is willing and ready to call you out when you are being a twat. Novaxx doubtless has a team around him who are completely in awe of him, and completely unable to speak up when he is being a twat, which is quite often. They consequently read what they thought he'd want to read, when doing the paperwork.
All that said, I would really recommend to read Barney Ronay's take on Novax and this affair. As so often Barney shows he's a better man than me, despite being a Spanner. Deffo worth your time, even if at times his prose gets a bit flowery (and not in a Spanner way
"You've got Covid? Cool, chuck that test up your nose for 30 seconds and I can play in the Australian Open."
Possibly backed up if the photos of him out and about the day after are genuine.
Haven't really read enough about it but my first thoughts on reading that Djokovic's lawyers are claiming that he tested positive as recently as 16 December were that it seems extremely convenient.
Given that he couldn't have feasibly left it that much later to test positive, isolate, be clear and then travel, did Djokovic spend the second week of December hanging around outside testing centres asking anyone with symptoms to cough on him?
It doesn't take much of a cynic to suspect that he might well have got a fake result from any Serbian doctor.
Also reading a bit more into the court documents, apparently his visa was actually approved in November, which was therefore way before he supposedly caught covid.
So he's claiming that he is exempt even though no such exemption existed at the time his visa was issued. All a bit of a mess really.
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I'm trying to work it out. The UK government website seems to be saying that quarantine is necessary even for vaccinated citizens with a negative test.
The French government website seems to be saying no entry at all.
(Although no one has a divine right even if it is their own country for various reasons including not having a valid passport)
Nothing about being banned from entry... As long as you comply with the rules.
"I did everything they asked for. They didn't just give an exception just like that. Tennis Australia claimed that the covid infection in the past six months was enough. Maybe they misled us, which is annoying. I wanted to focus on tennis and not on visas, quarantine. It's weird that I spent that week, played a match ... and then they came for me."
From her words here, I assume that she too has not been jabbed; however she also seems to confirm what has been suggested re Novaxx, that Tennis Australia said a covid infection recovery in the last 6 months was OK, when in fact they had no grounds for saying that. The difference of course is that neither she nor the Czech government have accused "Australia" of "stomping on the Czech Republic", although the consulate has sent the Oz govt a letter of complaint, which presumably focuses on the confusion of advice, and the fact that she actually passed the border control! She just hasn't done the "Don't you know who I am" act, and actually neither would Petra Kvitova have done that in her shoes.
The problem increasingly looks like a clash of two bell-ends- Novaxx, and Oz PM Scott Morrison.
I know the parents are not the most reliable source, but it sure would be a nice side effect if this shines some light on how Australia treats immigrants and refugees.
Novak Djokovic: Leaked document damning proof Tennis Australia shared incorrect information
A leaked email is damning proof players were misinformed about what was required if they wished to contest the Australian Open but were not vaccinated or had contracted Covid. READ THE DOCUMENT IN FULL
I still chuck him out for being a dick.
Voracova has not yet said whether she is jabbed; however even if she is not, she’s not making some big “freedom” defence about it; she is simply saying that she followed the rules that were given to her by Tennis Australia; and now she has found out they are not the rules, she has accepted that, and gone home. However she is entitled to be pissed off, because she would have not bothered in the first place if she knew that she could not fulfil the actual rules of entry. Thats why I didnt come over to the opening game in August. I managed to discover the nonsense of the Day 2 PCRs and how much they cost, before I booked, and decided that I wasnt having any of that shit, even though it meant missing out on friends family and footie once again. However non Brits have not been so lucky in finding out about it.
All that said, I would really recommend to read Barney Ronay's take on Novax and this affair. As so often Barney shows he's a better man than me, despite being a Spanner. Deffo worth your time, even if at times his prose gets a bit flowery (and not in a Spanner way
Let's just hope he's being a dick and lying to the appeals process, in which case he can probably expect to be ineligible for an Australian visa in the future, rather than being a dick by deliberately spreading Covid.
Upon reflection, I would just pay attention to the UK website After all we are entering the UK so it's best to go by the UK website. When you arrive in the UK the authorities will refer to information and rules on their own website. Once in the UK, the French one would be irrelevant. It's best to ignore the French website as we're entering the UK.
It's confusing for people coming from France though
Possibly backed up if the photos of him out and about the day after are genuine.
Given that he couldn't have feasibly left it that much later to test positive, isolate, be clear and then travel, did Djokovic spend the second week of December hanging around outside testing centres asking anyone with symptoms to cough on him?
It doesn't take much of a cynic to suspect that he might well have got a fake result from any Serbian doctor.
What was their plan if he hadn't tested positive?
So he's claiming that he is exempt even though no such exemption existed at the time his visa was issued. All a bit of a mess really.