A friend who was in HMRC policy suggested raising taxes on those that won’t get vaccinated to make up for the cost to the NHS and the economy.
I thought he was joking, but actually the more I think about it the more I see there’s a certain amount of logic behind it.
The tax on cigarettes and alcohol is so high for similar reasons.
If that's the intelligence level of policy makers in HMRC we're all doomed - his suggestion is nonsense on so many levels.
I don’t agree.
It would be simple to implement, would raise revenue, and would lead to an increase in the percentage of the population that are vaccinated.
People objected to increases in taxation on alcohol and cigarettes at first, but it’s accepted now.
No one would be forcing anyone to be vaccinated, but those choosing that path should pay a premium to society to make up for the damage they cause, just like we do when we buy cigarettes and alcohol.
Firstly, thanks for raising these points as they’re all valid and reasonable arguments:
How would such a tax be collected?
By increasing their tax codes. They know who has and who hasn’t been vaccinated, and how many vaccinations each person has had of course.
I suppose you could collect a tax on the unvaccinated through PAYE for those that are payroll, or self assessment for those that aren't. The whole tax process would need to be updated regularly and require significant investment in tech
Nowhere near the £37 billion wasted on track and trace.
and enforcement as either the NHS database and the HMRC database would need to integrate or it would be reliant on self declaration (which would require investigation).
Fairly simple to do apparently. It’s easy to increase tax codes, and simple to reduce them when the unvaxxed change their minds and get a jab. It would require a vote in Parliament, of course. But the tax rises needn’t be very high. Just a percent or two, to be reviewed depending on the uptake of the vaccine.
Of course, in that case, we would also need to reduce the benefits for those unvaccinated that don't work to ensure its equitably applied.
I doubt they’d do that. Some countries offer payments to those accepting the vaccine though, I think? That might work well with the unvaxxed on benefits. Maybe restore the the tax credit cut to them?
What if someone does get vaccinated half way through the tax year? Is it proportionate or absolute? If the latter we will see a rush for vaccinations on April 5th to ensure a full year benefit of money and health. See below.
What is HMRCs definition of vaccinated? 1 jab, 2 jabs, 2 jabs and a booster (and any subsequent boosters?)
I’d guess it would be those who have accepted the vaccines and boosters within a time frame. They know people’s dates of birth, so they’d know how long they’ve refused vaccination.
If its proved that vaccines offer less protection over time, to the point that they don't offer protection and / or we move to endemic status or less, can the unvaccinated claim a proportionate refund?
I doubt it because of the historic cost to society and the economy when the vaccines were known to work. If they stopped working they could/would then suspend vaccinations and also the tax increases.
Should we also tax amateur footballers and rugby players at the same time? I've been to A&E on a Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning? Its full of people in muddy kit....
No. By and large those play sport are healthier than those that don’t, and overall I doubt the cost to the NHS of dealing with the odd broken leg isn’t offset by the fact that they require less care for high blood pressure, diabetes, strokes etc etc.
Worth bearing in mind that Italy has started fining the over 50s who refuse the vaccines.
Basically I’m sick to death of living under covid and the way out is vaccination.
This is a worldwide crisis, and unless a serious effort is made to tackle it WORLDWIDE, it could easily get worse and worse with new, more dangerous variants evolving, which is what happens when you let it run rampant.
We’re all sick of living in covid times and we all want it to end. I have a couple of senior medics in the family who have been working on the frontline of covid, and they’re sick of it too.
Hasn't he recently recovered from Covid? If you're following the science, he poses no threat.
I know the rules are the rules, but if there's no exemption for naturally acquired immunity, then the rules are stupid.
I thought if you recovered fromm Delta you could catch Omricon swiftly after? So he could be carrying Omricon or get it in oz?
Well ok, but if we're going down that argument, why do Australia bother with the double vaccination requirement?
Because double vaccination still makes you unlikely to catch any of the strains, and less likely to pass them on. If you've recovered from the delta strain, it does not seem to affect how likely you are to catch/carry omicron.
Djokovic might be less susceptible to get Delta again, but he's a high risk of spreading Omnicron. If double jabbed he's much less likely to spread ANY variant.
heres an actual government website with an actual study and not emotive ''Dr Jekyll'' slander from a website that claims to team up with the media and fight ''fake news''-
''Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19''
''In this retrospective observational study of SARS-CoV-2 infected
non-hospitalized patients hydroxychloroquine exposure was associated
with a decreased rate of subsequent hospitalization. Additional
exploration of hydroxychloroquine in this mildly symptomatic outpatient
population is warranted.''
Your government isn't interested in the ''additional exploration.''
Pfizer/Moderna have more financial backing and the pharmacutical industry is all about money, it's the biggest industry in the world with government ties. They dont care about your health. Maybe check out the opiate crisis. Since the above studies came out, much later there have been other studies to say Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work, because anyone with the money can pay for a study to say whatever they want it to say, but you won't be interested in following the money trail.
As for Vitamin C, D and Zinc, surely it's no surprise that a doctor would claim immune system boosting minerals would be good in the fight against a type of coronavirus as this has been the science for decades, of course for suggesting that makes them Dr Jekyll now. With regards to covid, some studies have shown they help, others haven't, but since the vaccinated are still getting ill with coronavirus, whose to say the vaccines are any better than taking zinc.
People here say 60% of people in ICUs are unvaccinated, someone else said its 90%. You talk like these figures mean 60% of the population. According to the CDC there are 911 people in ICUs in the UK. Which means 546.6 people are unvaccinated in ICUs, 546 people in a country of 67.22 million. I wonder what their age is, I wonder what underlying health conditions they have, ah we don't know.
Like so many of the other anti-vaxxers, (of which you are a vast, but unfortunately vocal, minority) all you do is post absolute garbage and since de-bunked bullshit, and spread nonsensical stories and use quotes and theories from crackpot wankers, and expect us to lap it up, yet when given a whole mountain of evidence to show you how fucking wrong you are, you just come back with
"Ah that's what they want you to think, wake up Sheeple"
a ''vast minority'' lol
none of what you said has happened, where is this mountain of evidence you speak of? Stop reacting with emotions and try to read the links from government studies and virology experts with PhDs, not ''crackpot wankers'' lol.
Theres just people calling for a moderator because they hate free speech.
Like so many of the other anti-vaxxers, (of which you are a vast, but unfortunately vocal, minority) all you do is post absolute garbage and since de-bunked bullshit, and spread nonsensical stories and use quotes and theories from crackpot wankers, and expect us to lap it up, yet when given a whole mountain of evidence to show you how fucking wrong you are, you just come back with
"Ah that's what they want you to think, wake up Sheeple"
a ''vast minority'' lol
none of what you said has happened, where is this mountain of evidence you speak of? Stop reacting with emotions and try to read the links from government studies and virology experts with PhDs, not ''crackpot wankers'' lol.
Theres just people calling for a moderator because they hate free speech.
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
Hasn't he recently recovered from Covid? If you're following the science, he poses no threat.
I know the rules are the rules, but if there's no exemption for naturally acquired immunity, then the rules are stupid.
If he has an exemption and has provided the necessary details and the correct visa then I'm sure he"d be in by now? I'm not sure if we are getting the full story.
Which is fine for the state of Victoria, not for the Federal border which doesn't allow past infection to excuse you from vaccination
If it was not clear I don't understand how it has got this far? Seems amazing if Novak and his entourage travelled to Australia if there was uncertainty over his admission.
Arrogance. They thought the dont you know who I am card would work
A friend who was in HMRC policy suggested raising taxes on those that won’t get vaccinated to make up for the cost to the NHS and the economy.
I thought he was joking, but actually the more I think about it the more I see there’s a certain amount of logic behind it.
The tax on cigarettes and alcohol is so high for similar reasons.
If that's the intelligence level of policy makers in HMRC we're all doomed - his suggestion is nonsense on so many levels.
I don’t agree.
It would be simple to implement, would raise revenue, and would lead to an increase in the percentage of the population that are vaccinated.
People objected to increases in taxation on alcohol and cigarettes at first, but it’s accepted now.
No one would be forcing anyone to be vaccinated, but those choosing that path should pay a premium to society to make up for the damage they cause, just like we do when we buy cigarettes and alcohol.
Firstly, thanks for raising these points as they’re all valid and reasonable arguments:
How would such a tax be collected?
By increasing their tax codes. They know who has and who hasn’t been vaccinated, and how many vaccinations each person has had of course.
So agreed that it couldn't be treated like cigarettes and alcohol. Tax codes could be used, but would again require enormous change and complexity beyond my comprehension for what would inevitably be a relatively short period (we know cigarettes and alcohol will be around for a while to come - Covid won't be).
I suppose you could collect a tax on the unvaccinated through PAYE for those that are payroll, or self assessment for those that aren't. The whole tax process would need to be updated regularly and require significant investment in tech
Nowhere near the £37 billion wasted on track and trace.
Spend on other projects, positive or negative, is irrelevent. This is a cost for a specific requirement.
and enforcement as either the NHS database and the HMRC database would need to integrate or it would be reliant on self declaration (which would require investigation).
Fairly simple to do apparently. It’s easy to increase tax codes, and simple to reduce them when the unvaxxed change their minds and get a jab. It would require a vote in Parliament, of course. But the tax rises needn’t be very high. Just a percent or two, to be reviewed depending on the uptake of the vaccine.
In which case, a hell of a lot of work (notwithstanding the moral discussion which would trump all other aspects) for something "not very high" (ie relatively low value in the context of the UKs tax take)
Of course, in that case, we would also need to reduce the benefits for those unvaccinated that don't work to ensure its equitably applied.
I doubt they’d do that. Some countries offer payments to those accepting the vaccine though, I think? That might work well with the unvaxxed on benefits. Maybe restore the the tax credit cut to them?
There were incentives in place in certain sectors / countries at the outset, but they'd be an understandable backlash if benefits were increased for doing what the taxed population do for nothing (outside of the health and societal benefits). It would be a direct reward for not getting jabbed.
What if someone does get vaccinated half way through the tax year? Is it proportionate or absolute? If the latter we will see a rush for vaccinations on April 5th to ensure a full year benefit of money and health. See below.
What is HMRCs definition of vaccinated? 1 jab, 2 jabs, 2 jabs and a booster (and any subsequent boosters?)
I’d guess it would be those who have accepted the vaccines and boosters within a time frame. They know people’s dates of birth, so they’d know how long they’ve refused vaccination.
I don't get the connection between timeframe / date of birth and vaccination for anyone over the age of 12 and who are liable to pay tax. You've either had the jab(s) or not.
If its proved that vaccines offer less protection over time, to the point that they don't offer protection and / or we move to endemic status or less, can the unvaccinated claim a proportionate refund?
I doubt it because of the historic cost to society and the economy when the vaccines were known to work. If they stopped working they could/would then suspend vaccinations and also the tax increases.
Understood.
Should we also tax amateur footballers and rugby players at the same time? I've been to A&E on a Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning? Its full of people in muddy kit....
No. By and large those play sport are healthier than those that don’t, and overall I doubt the cost to the NHS of dealing with the odd broken leg isn’t offset by the fact that they require less care for high blood pressure, diabetes, strokes etc etc.
Fair point. Remove footballers and rugby players and replace with people over a defined BMI level...Should we tax fat people?
Worth bearing in mind that Italy has started fining the over 50s who refuse the vaccines.
I'm fully jabbed, test regularly, wear a face mask, think everyone should get the jab etc etc. but I draw a line at compulsory vaccinations. Part of the role of a civil government is to manage those that are uncivil.
Basically I’m sick to death of living under covid and the way out is vaccination.
I agree
This is a worldwide crisis, and unless a serious effort is made to tackle it WORLDWIDE, it could easily get worse and worse with new, more dangerous variants evolving, which is what happens when you let it run rampant.
I agree it needs tackling worldwide, but hope (and expect) this to go the same as every other global viral issue and that new variants are less rather than more dangerous.
We’re all sick of living in covid times and we all want it to end. I have a couple of senior medics in the family who have been working on the frontline of covid, and they’re sick of it too. Understandable
Cheers for reading. Likewise
This is a proper old man in the pub discussion after a couple of pints - good though! My thoughts in Italics...(ps its still bollocks) :-)
Like so many of the other anti-vaxxers, (of which you are a vast, but unfortunately vocal, minority) all you do is post absolute garbage and since de-bunked bullshit, and spread nonsensical stories and use quotes and theories from crackpot wankers, and expect us to lap it up, yet when given a whole mountain of evidence to show you how fucking wrong you are, you just come back with
"Ah that's what they want you to think, wake up Sheeple"
a ''vast minority'' lol
none of what you said has happened, where is this mountain of evidence you speak of? Stop reacting with emotions and try to read the links from government studies and virology experts with PhDs, not ''crackpot wankers'' lol.
Theres just people calling for a moderator because they hate free speech.
it all make sense. you are a moderator... try to go on your profile, permission is denied.
I wonder if charlton lifers would mock all of these doctors I've linked below, including video interviews, some of which have PhDs in virology and research viruses at universities for a living...people including but not limited to - Dr Dolores Cahill -
''is an Irish research scientist specialising in immunology and oncology,
and professor of Translational Science at the University College Dublin
School of Medicine. She has been a science advisor for three national
governments – Ireland, Sweden and Germany – and is the Vice Chair of the
Scientific Committee of the Inovative Medicine Initiative.'' I guess some charlton lifers think shes a ''loony'' aswell.
Or perhaps the ''swiss policy research'' study that shows covid has a 99.7% survival rate for the elderly, and that hospitalisations are in line with influenza figures. Of course these charlton lifers never cared about compulsory flu jabs and boosters before 2020, or flu jab passports, or lockdowns.
One charlton fan here suggested that people ask their doctor ''what is in the vaccine?'' he was told by another charlton fan that he shouldn't be a secondary school teacher as his job because of this statement. Sad. You belong in communist China and you don't even see it.
Anyone that questions anything is mocked and vilified. This sense of moral superiority some here carry is pathetic. None here have offered any real counter arguments, just fear, mockery and parrot what the media tells them. I have had my traditional vaccines, so I am not afraid of unvaccinated people with TB, polio, smallpox etc. I don't want people pushed out of areas of society for not having TB vaccines, I don't call the unvaccinated selfish or dangerous, because I know my vaccine works for the individual that takes it.The thing about TB, polio etc, is that they don't come from a coronavirus(common cold), and none of them have a 99.7% survival rate and none of them supposedly come from a virology warfare lab/bat soup in Wuhan. None of you are at all annoyed that your taxes are spent on developing viruses as weapons right here in the UK.
None of those illnesses required daily television propaganda, the daily counting of the dubious 'positive tests' that show positive results from ''apple juice'' being poured onto them, and constant guilt tripping and with scary upclose imagery of people in breathing masks. There was TB outbreak at my school, booster shots were offered but no one cared if you didn't have the vaccine because it was your choice, there were no facemasks required. Small/independant businesses are being destroyed and a massive wealth transfer is undergo, big problems with mental health, people can't get treatment for chronic illnesses, but some here think I'm the dangerous one. It is the unquestioning, compliant, and mocking fools that are the dangerous ones, as China literally becomes the new world superpower and your leaders sell you out, just as they are selling your NHS to the USA, just as your top universities would collapse without CCP funding.
I bet these Charlton lifers actually think Boris Johnson writes his own speeches. The elites of this country are all known to support population reduction. But im the dangerous one, for suggesting manipulation is at play, and pointing you to an element of the british army that is specifically for the task of trolling you online.
''Initial estimates based on Chinese data assumed
a very high 20% hospitalization rate, which led to the strategy of
‘flattening the curve’ to avoid overburdening hospitals. However,
population-based antibody studies (see above) have since shown that
actual hospitalization rates are closer to 2%, which is comparable to hospitalization rates for influenza (1 to 2%).''
Like so many of the other anti-vaxxers, (of which you are a vast, but unfortunately vocal, minority) all you do is post absolute garbage and since de-bunked bullshit, and spread nonsensical stories and use quotes and theories from crackpot wankers, and expect us to lap it up, yet when given a whole mountain of evidence to show you how fucking wrong you are, you just come back with
"Ah that's what they want you to think, wake up Sheeple"
a ''vast minority'' lol
none of what you said has happened, where is this mountain of evidence you speak of? Stop reacting with emotions and try to read the links from government studies and virology experts with PhDs, not ''crackpot wankers'' lol.
Theres just people calling for a moderator because they hate free speech.
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
I support free speech, and full support Franky posting his views. Only by doing so can you expose people for what they are. Ban them, and you drive them underground into echo chambers where they can start to really believe the shit they espouse....
Like so many of the other anti-vaxxers, (of which you are a vast, but unfortunately vocal, minority) all you do is post absolute garbage and since de-bunked bullshit, and spread nonsensical stories and use quotes and theories from crackpot wankers, and expect us to lap it up, yet when given a whole mountain of evidence to show you how fucking wrong you are, you just come back with
"Ah that's what they want you to think, wake up Sheeple"
a ''vast minority'' lol
none of what you said has happened, where is this mountain of evidence you speak of? Stop reacting with emotions and try to read the links from government studies and virology experts with PhDs, not ''crackpot wankers'' lol.
Theres just people calling for a moderator because they hate free speech.
it all make sense. you are a moderator... try to go on your profile, permission is denied.
No - he changed his profile after I called him out by looking at his first post on the forum about how he encountered a poltergeist (!!), and he then went in and blocked people looking at his previous posts - clearly a WUM
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
Thanks. Will Franky be okay?
He'll be fine - one day we'll thank him for defending us when we didn't really know what was going on. Greatness is among us.
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Franky reminds me of a frequent commenter on the now-closed USA thread. Very similar style and equally deluded, quoting debunked conspiracy theories, uncaring of the source of their information and responding to rebuttals with more of the same.
world governments can’t agree on fishing rights, or international trade deals, yet can come together to mastermind the biggest conspiracy in history,
right.
Yep, and can orchestrate actor- filled scaremongering displays, get the majority of doctors and nurses, scientists and healthcare experts across the world on board but can't silence the Piers Corbyns et al and other such truth seeking dissenters that post on social media who are the modern day John Connors leading the resistance from their bedrooms.
Let's destroy the global economy so that pfizer and some lateral flow test manufacturers can make a few quid.
What is the objective of doing so?
What more control do they have now than when we were merrily plodding on as wage slaves, happily placated with football, fast food, packaged holidays and reality tv 2 years ago?...if anything it would cause people to sit up and question everything and risk rocking the apple cart big time for the elite at the top.
Just does not make any logical sense as to why this level of agenda or conspiracy would exist.
I have very little sympathy for Djokavic, but a lot for Natalia Vikhlyantseva, the Russian player who, despite being double-jabbed, had not been able to compete, because the vaccine is not included in the list of accepted vaccines.
Free speech my arse, you’re a twat of the highest order, and the crap that you post, and no doubt on post on other areas of the internet, will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it
you mean, government studies, and interviews of legitimate doctors with PhDs in Virology, real fatality data. Sorry to shit on your fear fest, sorry to say something that challenges your worldview.
''The government admits the evidence for using masks in schools to reduce spread of Covid is "not conclusive".''
I bet you love wearing the mask. People said as soon as masks were introduced that they don't stop the spread. The manufacturers of the masks said they can't be used to stop the spread of viruses spring 2020, but I suppose you think they're all selfish because you FEEL safer wearing one. That's all it ever was, a feeling. It was behavioural manipulation of the masses. If they can get everyone to clap for the NHS, get everyone to take a knee, then get everyone to wear a mask, they can start to ask everyone to do more and more. Its basic psychology.
''will result in people losing their lives because they will believe it'' again we've established with real data, from real studies, that the threat of losing your life to this virus is very very low. Stop reacting emotionally because you are addicted to the fear and like to be seen as virtuous. You're not saving anyone by trying to silence me. You are scared for yourself and are trying to guilt trip me for challenging your view. By now most people have chosen whether or not they believe in the government narrative. Most have chosen whether or not to be jabbed.
''no doubt on post on other areas of the internet''
Go on any media piece about covid and check out the comments, on anything to do with covid, and realize this thread is just an echo chamber of outdated fearmongering, I am not in the minority that you would like to believe.
Your own policy makers snogging eachother during the pandemic, and having christmas parties whilst you were locked down.. Sad. Keep complying.
below heres the original footage out of Wuhan , of actors pretending to fall flat on their faces to boost their low social credit scores. These symptoms never happened again in china or in any other country ever again.
'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'
go to 38 seconds in this video and tell me thats real. be honest.
So where is all this Government control leading Franky - I think we deserve to know. It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Its the Great Reset stupid....
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
I just love the fact that the 'global elite' are all secretly communists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No - he changed his profile after I called him out by looking at his first post on the forum about how he encountered a poltergeist (!!), and he then went in and blocked people looking at his previous posts - clearly a WUM
Think its strange how you can't address my points without looking at a previous post on a poltergiest thread, I didn't say I encountered a poltergiest, just that I believe the phenomena exists and are often exaggerated by people after they experience them, sorry for sharing an experience and being open minded, which was the purpose of the thread. English comprehension skills aren't great on this forum.
Strange that you checked my profile tbh. Why not just address what I have said here and now?
heres an actual government website with an actual study and not emotive ''Dr Jekyll'' slander from a website that claims to team up with the media and fight ''fake news''-
''Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19''
Of the seven randomized controlled trials (RCTs), two [9,10] were in the outpatient early treated group. As described above, both these studies had clinically important trends towards positive results, although results were underpowered and did not reach statistical significance. The other five RCTs were performed in hospitalized patients later in the disease course, where the efficacy of HCQ seems to be less."
"Significance
We do not believe that randomized controlled studies are necessary before HCQ is authorized for general use because the efficacy seen in studies already performed indicates that control patients in such studies might die unnecessarily, and because the time delay to perform any such study would cause yet more deaths by preventing HCQ use when it is most needed: immediately! Our study has shown that good evidence of efficacy exists and that there is no safety, cost or supply reason to not treat now. Unnecessary death from delayed treatment is too high a price to pay for greater certainty of knowledge."
Basically the paper concludes in a nutshell "we looked at some trials, some people got better and some didn't. We can't tell to a statistically significant level whether it was due to HCQ or not but it didn't seem to hurt anyone so let's prescribe it anyway"
It's nonsense and bogus.
Also I'm not sure what two orthopedic doctors/research associates are doing talking about virology...
"World Class Knee & Shoulder Surgery, Cutting Edge PRP & Stem Cell Treatment for Arthritis and Sports injuries
Comments
Djokovic might be less susceptible to get Delta again, but he's a high risk of spreading Omnicron. If double jabbed he's much less likely to spread ANY variant.
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-05773-w
''In this retrospective observational study of SARS-CoV-2 infected non-hospitalized patients hydroxychloroquine exposure was associated with a decreased rate of subsequent hospitalization. Additional exploration of hydroxychloroquine in this mildly symptomatic outpatient population is warranted.''
Your government isn't interested in the ''additional exploration.''
Pfizer/Moderna have more financial backing and the pharmacutical industry is all about money, it's the biggest industry in the world with government ties. They dont care about your health. Maybe check out the opiate crisis. Since the above studies came out, much later there have been other studies to say Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work, because anyone with the money can pay for a study to say whatever they want it to say, but you won't be interested in following the money trail.https://healthfeedback.org/outlet/offguardian/
BTW out of interest how come you have blocked anyone from viewing your profile?
It's very strange that it's happening across the world at the same time - who is orchestrating it? Who can we trust?
Novak Djokovic will be deported if he hasn't told truth, deputy PM says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59896771
"The Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to install a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines".
right.
Yep, and can orchestrate actor- filled scaremongering displays, get the majority of doctors and nurses, scientists and healthcare experts across the world on board but can't silence the Piers Corbyns et al and other such truth seeking dissenters that post on social media who are the modern day John Connors leading the resistance from their bedrooms.
Let's destroy the global economy so that pfizer and some lateral flow test manufacturers can make a few quid.
What is the objective of doing so?
What more control do they have now than when we were merrily plodding on as wage slaves, happily placated with football, fast food, packaged holidays and reality tv 2 years ago?...if anything it would cause people to sit up and question everything and risk rocking the apple cart big time for the elite at the top.
Just does not make any logical sense as to why this level of agenda or conspiracy would exist.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/russian-tennis-player-to-skip-australian-open-over-sputnik-vaccine-20211221-p59j7j.html
"Randomized controlled trials
Of the seven randomized controlled trials (RCTs), two [9,10] were in the outpatient early treated group. As described above, both these studies had clinically important trends towards positive results, although results were underpowered and did not reach statistical significance. The other five RCTs were performed in hospitalized patients later in the disease course, where the efficacy of HCQ seems to be less."
"Significance
We do not believe that randomized controlled studies are necessary before HCQ is authorized for general use because the efficacy seen in studies already performed indicates that control patients in such studies might die unnecessarily, and because the time delay to perform any such study would cause yet more deaths by preventing HCQ use when it is most needed: immediately! Our study has shown that good evidence of efficacy exists and that there is no safety, cost or supply reason to not treat now. Unnecessary death from delayed treatment is too high a price to pay for greater certainty of knowledge."
Basically the paper concludes in a nutshell "we looked at some trials, some people got better and some didn't. We can't tell to a statistically significant level whether it was due to HCQ or not but it didn't seem to hurt anyone so let's prescribe it anyway"
It's nonsense and bogus.
Also I'm not sure what two orthopedic doctors/research associates are doing talking about virology...
"World Class Knee & Shoulder Surgery, Cutting Edge PRP & Stem Cell Treatment for Arthritis and Sports injuries
Chadwick C Prodromos, MD"
"Tobias Rumschlag MD https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobias-rumschlag-md-950939184/Next.