Australian public are livid. Not going to be pretty.
Massively increased infection numbers in Australia; difficulty in accessing (paid-for) tests; and a prominent non-vaxxer allowed in to the country. It's not surprising they'll be furious. I can't imagine he'll get a great welcome on court.
Imagine Qatar will do the same thing this year for the World Cup to ensure all the big names are able to be involved.
They have said players and fans will all need to be vaccinated but you can bet your life they'll change their stance for the players.
If the likes of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe said they wouldn't be vaccinated, no way would Qatar ban them.
No different to the British government allowing Uefa to fly thousands of delegates in for the Euro final without quarantines, or for Cop26 in November.
We are all equal but some people are more equal than others.
Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
more importantly who is prepared to expose their loved ones to this sort of risk..?
It all depends on your risk assessment. His loved ones all got vaccinated. The risk for himself was far greater and he knew that.
This type of article is typical of today's Covid19 propaganda that is designed to weave the new social standards into people's minds that we are each indirectly responsible for the health of others. Meanwhile we are not allowed to say that an individual is responsible for his own health. I for example have put on over 2kg over Christmas and drank more alcohol. This makes me 4kg overweight. Every kilo makes me more unhealthy and more susceptible to disease. The alcohol does too. It is my personal responsibility to lose their extra weight. I don't ask others to abandon aspects of their lives to account for my own lack of responsibility or to allow for my unhealthy life choices.
But other people can’t “contract” being overweight from you, they can contract covid from you.
Yes, but if they look after their health and have accepted the vaccination then they have no more to fear than flu symptoms.
Besides, as @stevexreeve said just after you, if you put the responsibility on individuals to be indirectly responsible for the health of others, then you have to ban all vehicles that travel over 10km/H, ban golf, ban drones, destroy all bridges and tall buildings - in fact anything that could result in injury or death for someone else.
more importantly who is prepared to expose their loved ones to this sort of risk..?
This type of article is typical of today's Covid19 propaganda that is designed to weave the new social standards into people's minds that we are each indirectly responsible for the health of others.
We bloody well should be!
I think you're confusing 'directly responsible' and 'indirectly responsible'
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''
If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.
''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a
lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the
coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the
individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the
UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the
first time.''
''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined
various ways in which the military was supporting the government and,
crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to
quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?
Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.
Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.
Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.
I suggest that you watch the Royal Institution Christmas lectures which should be available on I-Player. Prof Jonathan Van Tam and his team demonstrated exactly how the vaccines work against Covid 19.
People like you are a menace to society for promoting false information.
I’m on the fence with this one. I use to be undecided but I’m not so sure now🤔… Let me first say that I had Covid when it first started doing the rounds and have since been tripled vaccinated 🤗. But I’m still leaning towards the support of those that don’t want to be vaccinated as to what the problem is🧐? I can still carry the virus even though I’ve been vaccinated and so can those that are not vaccinated. The only difference I believe is that should i contract the virus again it is very unlikely that it will result in my demise or hopefully not to have a long term issues. Those that don’t have the vaccine are at a higher risk of dying or suffering serious illnesses. Surely that is the choice of those people that don’t want the vaccine? And back to the original point, in that the tennis player doesn’t want the vaccine but wants to play in the tournament. Is he a higher risk of bringing the virus into Australia than the vaccinated players? What the dilemma is is that Australian Government has got their knickers in a twist by applying double standards and I totally support the uproar that the government will face from its citizens. 😤
A couple of anti vaxxers that I know reckon you can beat the virus with a healthy diet and plenty of exercise.
How come then that so many football games are getting cancelled. The vast majority of footballers are extremely healthy fit young people in their 20s who have a healthy diet.
A couple of anti vaxxers that I know reckon you can beat the virus with a healthy diet and plenty of exercise.
How come then that so many football games are getting cancelled. The vast majority of footballers are extremely healthy fit young people in their 20s who have a healthy diet.
Firstly I must re-iterate that I am not an anti-vaxxer.
Surely however the point you make that all footballers who have had the virus are back playing is good support for their argument. I think that is the definition of 'beating the virus.'
I’m on the fence with this one. I use to be undecided but I’m not so sure now🤔… Let me first say that I had Covid when it first started doing the rounds and have since been tripled vaccinated 🤗. But I’m still leaning towards the support of those that don’t want to be vaccinated as to what the problem is🧐? I can still carry the virus even though I’ve been vaccinated and so can those that are not vaccinated. The only difference I believe is that should i contract the virus again it is very unlikely that it will result in my demise or hopefully not to have a long term issues. Those that don’t have the vaccine are at a higher risk of dying or suffering serious illnesses. Surely that is the choice of those people that don’t want the vaccine? And back to the original point, in that the tennis player doesn’t want the vaccine but wants to play in the tournament. Is he a higher risk of bringing the virus into Australia than the vaccinated players? What the dilemma is is that Australian Government has got their knickers in a twist by applying double standards and I totally support the uproar that the government will face from its citizens. 😤
Oops up side again i said oops up side again. 🥸
Re the bolded part, if you are vaccinated you are also far less likely to transmit the virus to someone else. For the delta variant, vaccinated people are 63% less likely to infect others. Not sure what the stats are for Omicron yet.
Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
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No need to bend the rules and annoy everyone.
If the likes of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe said they wouldn't be vaccinated, no way would Qatar ban them.
We are all equal but some people are more equal than others.
Besides, as @stevexreeve said just after you, if you put the responsibility on individuals to be indirectly responsible for the health of others, then you have to ban all vehicles that travel over 10km/H, ban golf, ban drones, destroy all bridges and tall buildings - in fact anything that could result in injury or death for someone else.
**play TOTP theme….
People like you are a menace to society for promoting false information.
I'm predicting a triple bagel
Oops up side again i said oops up side again. 🥸
How come then that so many football games are getting cancelled.
The vast majority of footballers are extremely healthy fit young people in their 20s who have a healthy diet.
anti-vaxxer.
Surely however the point you make that all footballers who have had the virus are back playing is good support for their argument. I think that is the definition of 'beating the virus.'