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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,437
    Interesting to compare the difference between vax rates and games called off due to covid cases in the Premier League v La Liga and Serie A etc -could all the postponements cause added complications re number of games played over a period or an extended season when next season is already impacted by the world cup?
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,437
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    Have you not had any vaccinations, including the usual childhood ones etc?

    As Klopp said, he has got vaccinated to protect others even before protecting himself. Because of the extreme differences between symptoms, from none at all to killing you (even in cases where someone is young and healthy when no underlying medical conditions etc), many with no symptoms will have infected others - which is one of the many reasons I have been vaccinated (and wear a mask) as I want to reduce the risk of me passing it on to anyone else
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,116
    Solidgone said:
    I’m on the fence with this one. I use to be undecided but I’m not so sure now🤔… Let me first say that I had Covid when it first started doing the rounds and have since been tripled vaccinated 🤗. But I’m still leaning towards the support of those that don’t want to be vaccinated as to what the problem is🧐? I can still carry the virus even though I’ve been vaccinated and so can those that are not vaccinated. The only difference I believe is that should i contract the virus again it is very unlikely that it will result in my demise or hopefully not to have a long term issues. Those that don’t have the vaccine are at a higher risk of dying or suffering serious illnesses. Surely that is the choice of those people that don’t want the vaccine? And back to the original point, in that the tennis player doesn’t want the vaccine but wants to play in the tournament. Is he a higher risk of bringing the virus into Australia than the vaccinated players? What the dilemma is is that Australian Government has got their knickers in a twist by applying double standards and I totally support the uproar that the government will face from its citizens. 😤

    Oops up side again i said oops up side again. 🥸
    You are less likely to contract the virus if vaccinated, so yes, those who are unvaccinated pose a larger risk to everyone around them. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    My only point was purely that you seem happy to believe in the science that opposes the vaccine but will criticise others for believing in the science that has so far backed it up.

    I’m 100% pro-choice, especially when it comes to what people put into their body and totally agree with you re’ mainstream media; f**k me, I’ve been saying that since long before covid reached our shores.

    I have taken up the covid vaccines, but I’m fairly sure I wasn’t vaccinated as a kid either.

  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    Is frankycafc the third corbyn brother?
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Solidgone said:
    I’m on the fence with this one. I use to be undecided but I’m not so sure now🤔… Let me first say that I had Covid when it first started doing the rounds and have since been tripled vaccinated 🤗. But I’m still leaning towards the support of those that don’t want to be vaccinated as to what the problem is🧐? I can still carry the virus even though I’ve been vaccinated and so can those that are not vaccinated. The only difference I believe is that should i contract the virus again it is very unlikely that it will result in my demise or hopefully not to have a long term issues. Those that don’t have the vaccine are at a higher risk of dying or suffering serious illnesses. Surely that is the choice of those people that don’t want the vaccine? And back to the original point, in that the tennis player doesn’t want the vaccine but wants to play in the tournament. Is he a higher risk of bringing the virus into Australia than the vaccinated players? What the dilemma is is that Australian Government has got their knickers in a twist by applying double standards and I totally support the uproar that the government will face from its citizens. 😤

    Oops up side again i said oops up side again. 🥸
    The problem is that the more unvaccinated people there are, the more people end up hospitalised. That then directly leads to 7hr waits for ambulances, operations being cancelled, diagnosis' being delayed, etc. 

    If people refusing to get the vaccine had zero effect on the rest of us then I'd say crack on, but that's simply not the case.

    The other issue is, that whilst those vaccinated can still carry the virus, they are far less likely to do so. The less people carrying the virus, the less risk to those who can't get vaccinated. Add to that the fact that the less virus circulating around the less chance of further mutations. The omicron variant seems mild, there is no reason to believe a future variant couldn't be worse.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Is frankycafc the third corbyn brother?
    I think it's J Blocks other account 
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,619
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Is frankycafc the third corbyn brother?
    Probably - annoyingly he has made his profile private now, so you can’t track his historic (stupid) comments 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited January 2022
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    Jesus H C. 

    It’s like the bloke who says I’ve never worn a seat belt in my life and look, I’m still alive!

    I don’t wknow where to start when I read a post like this. 
    10% of the population unvaccinated. 60% of those in icu unvaccinated. That’s all you need to know really. 
    If your daughter was to be seriously affected or get long covid, well good luck living with yourself. 
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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    WSS said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    One of the biggest reasons you're healthy and untouched is because of other people, not because of your view on vaccines. Others have done it for the greater good. You're selfish.
    Fantastic response. 
    Spot on.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    edited January 2022
    https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2022/novak-djokovic-visa-world-no.-1s-entry-to-australia-delayed-after-wrong-visa-submitted_sto8693657/story.shtml

    I can't imagine what will happen to the person who screwed up the visa?
  • thewolfboy
    thewolfboy Posts: 2,927
    WSS said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    One of the biggest reasons you're healthy and untouched is because of other people, not because of your view on vaccines. Others have done it for the greater good. You're selfish.
    Of course I understand your point of view but the vivisection of millions of animals, to create a vaccine for the benefit of humans is a concept I can never accept. It is evil. We should be purifying the planet and ourselves not sacrificing the creatures.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    thewolfboy said:
    WSS said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    One of the biggest reasons you're healthy and untouched is because of other people, not because of your view on vaccines. Others have done it for the greater good. You're selfish.
    Of course I understand your point of view but the vivisection of millions of animals, to create a vaccine for the benefit of humans is a concept I can never accept. It is evil. We should be purifying the planet and ourselves not sacrificing the creatures.
    Hopefully you'll come back as an animal in your next life - might be a bit of a disappointment for you.
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,076
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    Are you anti vaccination only or does it extend to other medication ?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited January 2022
    Dolores Cahill, you say... https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/strange-case-dr-cahill-and-ms-hyde


    "She has said, falsely, that COVID-19 can be prevented by taking vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc, and that the most efficient treatment is in the form of hydroxychloroquine, a cheap medication against malaria and autoimmune diseases that turned into an object of worship for some individuals, even as the evidence clearly showed it did not work against COVID-19."

    "She has boldly stated that children wearing a mask—the kind that doctors, nurses and dentists have been wearing for decades—would be starved of oxygen and see their IQ lowered. As for the RNA-based vaccines, she falsely claimed they did more harm than good."

    "    Bolstered by Cahill’s academic and scientific credentials, her misinformed and hazardous claims have grown to the point where students at her university wrote a 33-page scientific rebuttal of these claims, a document that was signed by 133 students from the university’s own School of Medicine and sent to its administrators. One of the claims these students had to debunk: that once you get COVID-19, you are immune for life. This brazen assertion’s confidence is in contradiction with actual knowledge in the field, which is that we do not clearly know how long immunity does last. But this is the upside-down world at University College Dublin right now, where students are teaching their own professor basic facts about a topic she should be familiar with."

    "And finally, Cahill’s claims can be put to the test of time. Have her apocalyptic predictions come true? In late December 2020, Cahill claimed in a filmed discussion that, regarding the COVID-19 vaccines being rolled out in the UK, “most of the elderly, most of those people will have serious adverse events or will die in the next few months.” That has not happened. Elderly people were vaccinated first in many countries and they did not suddenly fill up hospitals’ intensive care units after receiving the jab, or swiftly drop like flies. In fact, the people dying of COVID now are almost exclusively the unvaccinated."
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    So it’s china running this? Or is it the government? Or is it big pharma? 
  • thewolfboy
    thewolfboy Posts: 2,927
    alan dugdale said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    Are you anti vaccination only or does it extend to other medication ?
    Wife is a homeopath, acupuncturist etc so I go down that route if unwell, which is rare. Homeopathy works brilliantly for some people and not so well for others. I was stung by a bee in the summer. My hand quickly swelled up and I felt sick but after taking one tab of Apis mellifica I sat and watched as the swelling diminished and half an hour later I was back in the garden trimming the roses again. Remarkable really.
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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,476
    thewolfboy said:
    alan dugdale said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    Are you anti vaccination only or does it extend to other medication ?
    Wife is a homeopath, acupuncturist etc so I go down that route if unwell, which is rare. Homeopathy works brilliantly for some people and not so well for others. I was stung by a bee in the summer. My hand quickly swelled up and I felt sick but after taking one tab of Apis mellifica I sat and watched as the swelling diminished and half an hour later I was back in the garden trimming the roses again. Remarkable really.
    Did you swat the bee?
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,640
    edited January 2022
    Super_Eddie_Youds said:
    So it’s china running this? Or is it the government? Or is it big pharma? 
    I'm going with the Armys 77 brigade
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2022/novak-djokovic-visa-world-no.-1s-entry-to-australia-delayed-after-wrong-visa-submitted_sto8693657/story.shtml

    I can't imagine what will happen to the person who screwed up the visa?
    "Novak is currently in a room which no one can enter,” Srdjan Djokovic told the B92 internet portal. “In front of the room are two policemen.”

    It has also been reported that Djokovic has had his mobile phone taken away from him.


    Seems a bit dramatic. He's unvaccinated, he's not a criminal. Do they expect him to use his phone to plan an escape in the middle of the night?
  • Mrkinski
    Mrkinski Posts: 957
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    FrankyCAFC said:
    So many brainwashed pharmaceutical industry boot lickers on charlton life, genuinely scary. Some won't be happy until the unvaccinated are completely banned from public life, and they're proud of their fear, they feel righteous that they listened to big daddy government which has always cared for their health and never lied. People keep bringing up mumps,measels, smallpox etc, but those traditional vaccines are a completely different technology, few people are against those vaccines, they have nothing in common with the covid vaccines, stop conflating them, it is a lazy argument, and they are completely different diseases that definitely always have symptoms and don't mimick a standard cold virus or ''no symptoms at all.''

    If anyone dares to suggest you are being manipulated by the government/media, you are labelled an ''anti-vaxxer.'' A phrase they learnt from the media, a phrase they never used before 2020. Repeated phrases like ''trust the science'' have scrambled their free thought. Sad. They were first manipulated by watching the media and being told to clap for the NHS. This was the start of the manipulation into ''group think.'' Basic psychology tricks, militarised ''simon says'' games against the british public.

    ''UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab paid a lengthy tribute to the “amazing work” of the British army during the coronavirus pandemic. His praise was likely well-received by the individual standing two metres to his left – General Nick Carter, the UK’s most senior military officer, who appeared at the briefing for the first time.''

    ''In a speech afterwards, General Carter outlined various ways in which the military was supporting the government and, crucially, noted that the highly secretive 77th Brigade was “helping to quash rumours from misinformation, but also counter disinformation'' - Research Brigade 77 - The British Army is being used on your mind.. do you have any idea of the psychology tricks they know about?

    Who remembers the first footage shown in China, December 2019/January 2020? Of people catching the virus? It showed CCTV footage of people falling flat on their faces exactly like a plank of wood. They would be out in public, and would just fall on their faces, like a slapstick comedy, there just so happened to be medical people stood near by to carry them off. Notice how after the fear was spread, that symptom never happened ever again, in any other country, and the footage from china stopped? CCP would definitely never use actors to instill fear into it's population would it? The footage is still on youtube, but you need to confirm your ID in order to watch it now, funny that.

    Of course it's even harder to convince British people that our own government uses ''crisis actors'' - actors for doctors and nurses, actors for the sick, actors for the police. Too much of a conspiracy for some. Understandable.

    Isn't it strange how when Wuhan China was on lockdown, people getting welded/sealed into their homes, which I'm sure many charlton fans agree with for the unvaccinated, you had the Chinese lady in Wuhan shout from her balcony ''its all fake.'' footage still on youtube. Again no one questions it anymore.












    Wtf?
    Nurse, we’ve got another one.
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    edited January 2022
    Baldybonce said:
    Super_Eddie_Youds said:
    So it’s china running this? Or is it the government? Or is it big pharma? 
    I'm going with the Armys 77 brigade
    Yep, you’re probably right. After all, the MOD can’t buy themselves a new armoured vehicle without deafening and otherwise injuring its own soldiers, but it can staff and equip a brigade that can run a global psyops campaign at the behest of the UK government, Chinese government, Pfizer, Bill Gates (I guess), the US under Biden, but not Trump (until he got his dastardly booster). 

    Though some of these guys are TA so they can only work on it one weekend a month. 
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Presumably the precautions are not because he is simply unvaccinated, but because he lied on his visa application, which is taken pretty seriously by most countries.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2022/novak-djokovic-visa-world-no.-1s-entry-to-australia-delayed-after-wrong-visa-submitted_sto8693657/story.shtml

    I can't imagine what will happen to the person who screwed up the visa?
    "Novak is currently in a room which no one can enter,” Srdjan Djokovic told the B92 internet portal. “In front of the room are two policemen.”

    It has also been reported that Djokovic has had his mobile phone taken away from him.


    Seems a bit dramatic. He's unvaccinated, he's not a criminal. Do they expect him to use his phone to plan an escape in the middle of the night?
    Is Roger Federer one of the policemen  ;)
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    randy andy said:
    Presumably the precautions are not because he is simply unvaccinated, but because he lied on his visa application, which is taken pretty seriously by most countries.
    I know but taking his phone away from him seems a bit much. He's the tennis world number 1, not al Qaeda. He's probably never even seen a visa application, he must have a PA who does that for him.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,880
    thewolfboy said:
    WSS said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Gribbo said:
    thewolfboy said:
    Jams, I have a second cousin, actually a Charlton fan, who was born without legs due to the Thalidomide drug that was supposed to make it easier for women to have a more comfortable pregnancy. I am not condemning scientists out of hand - just saying stop treating them as if they are demi-gods. They make mistakes and are sometimes stupid. Like I wonder who it was who decided it would be a good idea to make an atomic bomb.
    So you cherry pick which scientists you back up and agree with, depending on whether their science aligns with your political / general outlook on life?
    Afternoon Gribbo. No, I don't cherry pick scientists, although there are loads who oppose the Covid vaccine but are not given space on main line media. I am anti vaccination full stop and so was my mother, so I have never been vaccinated in my life and nether has my daughter. We are all healthy and so far untouched by the Covid epidemic. If any of us gets struck down I'll be honest enough to report it on here. Meanwhile keep well.
    One of the biggest reasons you're healthy and untouched is because of other people, not because of your view on vaccines. Others have done it for the greater good. You're selfish.
    Of course I understand your point of view but the vivisection of millions of animals, to create a vaccine for the benefit of humans is a concept I can never accept. It is evil. We should be purifying the planet and ourselves not sacrificing the creatures.
    I get your point. I once new a girl who worked trying to develop cures for cancer. They bred mice in the lab purely to use to excitement on. 

    I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just pointing out that if the mice were not tested on, they wouldn't have been born

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