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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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No huge surprise. Ultimately we went down because of our various owners over the year not because of this.
As soon as Barnsley stayed up this was always going to be the way the EFL went as they know us and Wigan are potless and Hull are not interested. Literally no incentive for them to act differently.
Barnsley stance will be to say they are happy with the punishment as it gives them more chance of staying up next season.
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Barnsley have already said that they'd fight the decision unless Wednesday get relegated this seasonAthletico Charlton said:No huge surprise. Ultimately we went down because of our various owners over the year not because of this.
As soon as Barnsley stayed up this was always going to be the way the EFL went as they know us and Wigan are potless and Hull are not interested. Literally no incentive for them to act differently.
Barnsley stance will be to say they are happy with the punishment as it gives them more chance of staying up next season.
Still gutting though.
They see it in simple terms, e.g. if Wednesday get four more wins than everyone else they stay up and avoid any punishment
Can argue its no different to Wigan but they went into Administration whereas Wednesday cheated so the punishment should have been harder2 -
This is an insult to all the other clubs in league Championship 1 and 2 who run there clubs well,and have been maybe struggling to survive.Every club whether this affects them or not should appeal this decision.Only a matter of time before EFL is broken up and clubs form their own governing body.Wigan down through mismanagement,not deliberate cheating,all the other clubs,Luton,Barnsley,Us,Boro,scraping by on what we have while they blatantly take the piss.I Really do hope,that Martin Samuel Mail on Sunday,Any of the several Sun Sports writers give this decision a severe seeing to.7
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Wish I could give the EFL a good seeing to !thickandthin63 said:This is an insult to all the other clubs in league Championship 1 and 2 who run there clubs well,and have been maybe struggling to survive.Every club whether this affects them or not should appeal this decision.Only a matter of time before EFL is broken up and clubs form their own governing body.Wigan down through mismanagement,not deliberate cheating,all the other clubs,Luton,Barnsley,Us,Boro,scraping by on what we have while they blatantly take the piss.I Really do hope,that Martin Samuel Mail on Sunday,Any of the several Sun Sports writers give this decision a severe seeing to.
My tongue is very sharp.....
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They have.siblers said:I assume our 'owners' are going to publish a statement outlining their anger over this verdict0 -
Good. This has got Sue the bastards written all over it.LargeAddick said:
They have.siblers said:I assume our 'owners' are going to publish a statement outlining their anger over this verdict0 -
That scouse cnut Parry should step down....absolute disgrace1
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I recall the Premier League doing something similar with West Ham when it was known they had cheated in the Tevez scandal. Didn't Sheffield United, who got relegated as a result of the league not acting correctly, successfully sue West Ham to the tune of £5m?
Parry has zero credibility but these people just hang onto their jobs.1 -
ForeverAddickted said:Bet Swindon Town wish the EFL had been so gutless back in 1990
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Apparently Derby being docked 12 points to be spread over the next 4 seasons.11
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you forgot the last bit.......of their choice!thickandthin63 said:Apparently Derby being docked 12 points to be spread over the next 4 seasons.3 -
Oh no,must teach them lesson.MuttleyCAFC said:
you forgot the last bit.......of their choice!thickandthin63 said:Apparently Derby being docked 12 points to be spread over the next 4 seasons.0 -
I kind of agree, but, administration is an automatic 12 point deduction, so I really cannot understand why they are, I think, still appealing.MuttleyCAFC said:If I was a Wigan fan I would ask, why does our 12 points happen this season? Why did they sit on the verdict, because if it really was as complicated as the time taken suggested, they couldn't have found Wednesday guilty. Let's be honest, the facts of the case have been common knowledge for a while and they were facts not interpretations of complex information that showed Wednesday were guilty as sin.
Sheffield Wednesday bang to rights. 21 point penalty.
Guessing Sheffield Wednesday have more money and are too "massive" to relegate.1 -
Really do think that if it had been any other club than us that stayed up,it would have been this year.Miserableoldgit said:
I kind of agree, but, administration is an automatic 12 point deduction, so I really cannot understand why they are, I think, still appealing.MuttleyCAFC said:If I was a Wigan fan I would ask, why does our 12 points happen this season? Why did they sit on the verdict, because if it really was as complicated as the time taken suggested, they couldn't have found Wednesday guilty. Let's be honest, the facts of the case have been common knowledge for a while and they were facts not interpretations of complex information that showed Wednesday were guilty as sin.
Sheffield Wednesday bang to rights. 21 point penalty.
Guessing Sheffield Wednesday have more money and are too "massive" to relegate.0 -
But you have highlighted Wigan's case. I agree, they shouldn't be appealing really, but Wednesday should have been punished this season and haven't been so the EFL isn't acting consistently. Both have been deducted 12 points, but Wigan actually gained more points through the season than Wednesday.
Have Wigan committed the greater crime? I think we all know the answer to that. What Wednesday did was as bad an example of cheating as you are likely to find. It should be an automatic relegation rather than points and it should be two divisions. But applying the points deduction this season, which the league have said hasn't ended yet would at least have guaranteed a punishment for the serious crime.2 -
Sorry, I probably wrote it wrong, the fact I was trying to make was I think the 12 point deduction is "set in stone" and whilst I think that that is not always the right answer, thems the rules.MuttleyCAFC said:But you have highlighted Wigan's case. I agree, they shouldn't be appealing really, but Wednesday should have been punished this season and haven't been so the EFL isn't acting consistently. Both have been deducted 12 points, but Wigan actually gained more points through the season than Wednesday.
Have Wigan committed the greater crime? I think we all know the answer to that. What Wednesday did was as bad an example of cheating as you are likely to find. It should be an automatic relegation rather than points and it should be two divisions. But applying the points deduction this season, which the league have said hasn't ended yet would at least have guaranteed a punishment for the serious crime.
Sheffield Wednesday knew they did wrong.
Again, I think, Sheffield Wednesdays crime should have been a 21 point penalty as the rule book states.
I don't mean to critise Wigan at all, I genuinely feel for them.
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What the EFL have done is brought three clubs into this. We can claim Wednesday should have been punished this season and I think we can produce a compelling case, Wigan can claim that by deferring a punishment that should have occurred this season, the same should have been granted to them and Barnsley can complain that should the EFL not punish Wigan, they have not acted by their rules.
Oh what tangled webs.2 -
I don't see this as punishment more of a get out of jail card if they finish with 60 points before the 12 point deduction they should avoid relegation0
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I suspect Wednesday were found guilty a while ago and the length of time has been deciding the punishment. It was a pretty matter of fact charge and defence. The problem is the punishment arrived at in terms of points is the set punishment for a breach of this type! If this is correct, I think it gives us a strong case as it can only look like stalling justice.2
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If it wern't for the pandemic Wigan would have gone into addmin after the season had finished so they could claim their 12 point deduction should be taken next season.2
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That's a great point.ForeverAddickted said:Bet Swindon Town wish the EFL had been so gutless back in 1990
They were relegated in the close season.
When did the rules change then?0 -
Wednesday cheated this season, therefore punishment must be this season. EFL an absolute joke - bottle merchants.0
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Justice delayed is justice denied2
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To be fair , with Wednesday being deducted 12 next season they are going to have to go and spend some serious cash to get a squad capable of staying up. I mean, they may need to raise £50-60M to spend on the team... Wonder if the owner fancies buying the training ground too!0
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What I can't understand is, if they were delaying the announcement, why not wait until after next Tuesday when the season is officially over? I think that's what most expected them to do. By announcing a punishment for next season before this season is even finished, they've really created a difficult argument for themselves to win.MuttleyCAFC said:I suspect Wednesday were found guilty a while ago and the length of time has been deciding the punishment. It was a pretty matter of fact charge and defence. The problem is the punishment arrived at in terms of points is the set punishment for a breach of this type! If this is correct, I think it gives us a strong case as it can only look like stalling justice.4 -
I wonder if Derby will get docked any points at all.
The Wednesday verdict seems to be saying that the ground sale and price were ok, but they've been deducted the 12 points for blatantly putting the figures in the wrong financial year because without it they'd have failed FFP. Derby should therefore be ok.
Does anyone see it differently?0 -
Agreed. Look what happened to RangersMuttleyCAFC said:But you have highlighted Wigan's case. I agree, they shouldn't be appealing really, but Wednesday should have been punished this season and haven't been so the EFL isn't acting consistently. Both have been deducted 12 points, but Wigan actually gained more points through the season than Wednesday.
Have Wigan committed the greater crime? I think we all know the answer to that. What Wednesday did was as bad an example of cheating as you are likely to find. It should be an automatic relegation rather than points and it should be two divisions. But applying the points deduction this season, which the league have said hasn't ended yet would at least have guaranteed a punishment for the serious crime.0 -
thats how I read it also. It's the financial accounting irregularities that Wednesday have been 'done' for. This morning I am even more livid than I was last night following the announcement. With all that is going on at our club, I am not sure I want to be in the champ next season as we would be whipping boys, but this decision is bringing the game into disrepute and alienating fans at a time when the EFL should be building bridges as we can't watch the team LIVE.Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wonder if Derby will get docked any points at all.
The Wednesday verdict seems to be saying that the ground sale and price were ok, but they've been deducted the 12 points for blatantly putting the figures in the wrong financial year because without it they'd have failed FFP. Derby should therefore be ok.
Does anyone see it differently?2 -
I had finally started to get over the relegation and was more concerned about the takeover but waking up this morning, it feels like the morning after the Leeds game all over again
Pissed off with the EFL, Wednesday, Brentford, ESI, annoyed with ourselves for not getting that extra point. God this season is awful
I hope to hell that Barnsley, Wigan and us sue the feck out of EFL and/or Wednesday and I really hope this gets proper media attention8 -
I think this is the positive for us. It shows the immense pressure they will be/are under. Suppressing a decision is corrupt and they know if they announced it next week, it would be a signpost to corruption. They can't hold it off as Wednesday need to be punished and independent people are involved. They looked at the different scenarios and decided they would rather put us in a position to sue them than any other club. They might be right on that, but I don't think it will take a lot of uncovering to find massive faults in their processes.Charlton_Cole said:
What I can't understand is, if they were delaying the announcement, why not wait until after next Tuesday when the season is officially over? I think that's what most expected them to do. By announcing a punishment for next season before this season is even finished, they've really created a difficult argument for themselves to win.MuttleyCAFC said:I suspect Wednesday were found guilty a while ago and the length of time has been deciding the punishment. It was a pretty matter of fact charge and defence. The problem is the punishment arrived at in terms of points is the set punishment for a breach of this type! If this is correct, I think it gives us a strong case as it can only look like stalling justice.0
