Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham

Coyotejohn1947

ok,  I'm ready to be shot down if I'm wrong but I think the EFL are still in a position to appeal the SW decision (say to challenge the imposition of the penalty this season or the number of points for example) but will not make a statement about this until they have seen the IDC reasons for the number of points and timing of sanction.

So, how much bloody time does the IDC need to get the decision making to the EFL?

This was a question being asked as soon as the decision itself came out on Cup Final eve and I jokingly said that the reasoning behind the decision would probably be published on the eve of the Champions League Final - well perhaps it will !!

We now need the EFL to come clean and tell us whether they have received the IDC reasons and if they have whether or not they are going to appeal as they did with Macclesfield.

For crying out loud lets have some transparency.  Someone must know  why the penalty was pushed to next season.

SomervilleAddick

I would really like to know what the EFL would have done if SW had got promoted. Would they have let them go up and defer the penalty until they get relegated at some point in the future. I’m pretty sure the 12 pt penalty wouldn’t have been applied by the FAPL. 

golfaddick

SomervilleAddick said:

I would really like to know what the EFL would have done if SW had got promoted. Would they have let them go up and defer the penalty until they get relegated at some point in the future. I’m pretty sure the 12 pt penalty wouldn’t have been applied by the FAPL. 

When QPR got promoted to The Premier League after transgressing ffp rules the EFL docked them points/ fined them when they got relegated a season or two later.

SomervilleAddick

golfaddick said:

SomervilleAddick said:

I would really like to know what the EFL would have done if SW had got promoted. Would they have let them go up and defer the penalty until they get relegated at some point in the future. I’m pretty sure the 12 pt penalty wouldn’t have been applied by the FAPL. 

When QPR got promoted to The Premier League after transgressing ffp rules the EFL docked them points/ fined them when they got relegated a season or two later.

But weren’t they found guilty after the event, and it was a technical FFP violation which I don’t think carried a points deduction, just a massive fine. 

MuttleyCAFC

Sheffield Wednesday's violation of the rules was well known and when the decision finally came, it merely confirmed what was known. The delay in coming to a decision over a widely known matter of fact is baffling and does require explanation. It looks decidedly dodgy and if it doesn't change our status, it would allow us to sue for lost earnings. Obviously, this would be preferable with decent owners like PV and AB.

stackitsteve

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1298236671343972354?s=21

stoneroses19

stackitsteve said:

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1298236671343972354?s=21

IDC are worse than EFL! Absolute joke of a decision. 

iaitch

But what about Wayne Rooneys Derby?

cafc_se7

stoneroses19 said:

stackitsteve said:

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1298236671343972354?s=21

IDC are worse than EFL! Absolute joke of a decision. 

Poor massive Sheffield Wednesday, but what about them and their feelings?

MattF

Suppose this means Derby are now a bigger club than Sheffield Wednesday, bet the massives will love that

ct_addick

I see Barnsley shut up after the end of the season 

Hex

So some of the reasons given by the IDC in the SW decision are no longer valid so EFL can appeal on more counts .... except this decision has come a few days too late.  How convenient !

MattF

ct_addick said:

I see Barnsley shut up after the end of the season 

I think they shut up about it as soon as Wigan appealed their points deduction 

stoneroses19

For all those hoping that the break is last season due to Covid would bring some kind of change to English football, that hope has gone with today's decision. Just proves that those above are happy to continue with clubs spending beyond there means, ending with more clubs eventually going bust when rich owners get bored and Premier League get there way with PL2. 

thickandthin63

A bunch of spineless gutless tossers

ForeverAddickted

Looks like the EFL are appealing the decision not to had any punishment to Derby County!!

MuttleyCAFC

They have lost the plot.

Briston_Addick

MuttleyCAFC said:

They have lost the plot.

Lost it? I'm not convinced they ever possessed it in order to lose it.

killerandflash

ForeverAddickted said:

Looks like the EFL are appealing the decision not to had any punishment to Derby County!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54062306

It seems it's the section relating to how Derby value their players is the problem, specifically how they charge their cost to the P&L over the length of the contract

iaitch

Lifted this from the Football forum on Betfair about Derby.

Derby apparently selling Jaydon Bogle and Max Lowe to Sheff United for 12-15m and Bogle is the main signing and should be the most, yet they are switching it round and making Lowe the big money signing so Derby can get out of giving Swindon a big sell on clause for Bogle  any club that does this is utter turd and that would include Forest as well

Swindon were good enough to give you a good up and coming player on the promise of a hefty sell on fee so fooking pay what you agreed with them for god sake

And the worst part about this is that Derby are about to get a decent sell on fee for Will Hughes who is linked with a 15m move to Tottenham, its no wonder every club in the Championship hates the sheep s*gging cants.

MuttleyCAFC

iaitch said:

Lifted this from the Football forum on Betfair about Derby.

Derby apparently selling Jaydon Bogle and Max Lowe to Sheff United for 12-15m and Bogle is the main signing and should be the most, yet they are switching it round and making Lowe the big money signing so Derby can get out of giving Swindon a big sell on clause for Bogle  any club that does this is utter turd and that would include Forest as well

Swindon were good enough to give you a good up and coming player on the promise of a hefty sell on fee so fooking pay what you agreed with them for god sake

And the worst part about this is that Derby are about to get a decent sell on fee for Will Hughes who is linked with a 15m move to Tottenham, its no wonder every club in the Championship hates the sheep s*gging cants.

That is theft. Derby are a disgrace. They have to be stopped. The EFL have to grow a pair. 

MattF

I never want to hear the word appeal again for as long as I live, Derby's response

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2020/09/derby-county-statement-on-efl-appeal

Addickted

Just had a further update from my MP after an initial request I made of her back in July.

Dear Mr Hxxxxx,

Thank you again for your email about football club ownership. I took your concerns up with the Minister responsible, Nigel Huddleston MP, and have now received a reply.

I hope that the final paragraph of the Minister’s letter will be particularly welcome, and I look forward to hearing more information about the review in due course.

If you do have any further queries about this subject or any other, please do not hesitate to be in touch. Thank you once again for raising this with me.

Best wishes,
Helen

Helen Whately MP
Member of Parliament serving Faversham and Mid Kent 

Lincsaddick

Derby have offloaded quite a few players this window .. making cuts to pay a huge fine perhaps (and NO points deduction ?)

iaitch

Maybe they're having to pay Rooney's wages instead of a betting company doing it?

Todds_right_hook

iaitch said:

Lifted this from the Football forum on Betfair about Derby.

Derby apparently selling Jaydon Bogle and Max Lowe to Sheff United for 12-15m and Bogle is the main signing and should be the most, yet they are switching it round and making Lowe the big money signing so Derby can get out of giving Swindon a big sell on clause for Bogle  any club that does this is utter turd and that would include Forest as well

Swindon were good enough to give you a good up and coming player on the promise of a hefty sell on fee so fooking pay what you agreed with them for god sake

And the worst part about this is that Derby are about to get a decent sell on fee for Will Hughes who is linked with a 15m move to Tottenham, its no wonder every club in the Championship hates the sheep s*gging cants.

Wouldn’t sheff Utd have to be in agreement with this? Why would they do it as there is no benefit to them

redlanered

Todds_right_hook said:

iaitch said:

Lifted this from the Football forum on Betfair about Derby.

Derby apparently selling Jaydon Bogle and Max Lowe to Sheff United for 12-15m and Bogle is the main signing and should be the most, yet they are switching it round and making Lowe the big money signing so Derby can get out of giving Swindon a big sell on clause for Bogle  any club that does this is utter turd and that would include Forest as well

Swindon were good enough to give you a good up and coming player on the promise of a hefty sell on fee so fooking pay what you agreed with them for god sake

And the worst part about this is that Derby are about to get a decent sell on fee for Will Hughes who is linked with a 15m move to Tottenham, its no wonder every club in the Championship hates the sheep s*gging cants.

Wouldn’t sheff Utd have to be in agreement with this? Why would they do it as there is no benefit to them

if it meant them paying a bit less overall (in effect splitting whatever Swindon was due with Derby), then they might

lordromford

Todds_right_hook said:

iaitch said:

Lifted this from the Football forum on Betfair about Derby.

Derby apparently selling Jaydon Bogle and Max Lowe to Sheff United for 12-15m and Bogle is the main signing and should be the most, yet they are switching it round and making Lowe the big money signing so Derby can get out of giving Swindon a big sell on clause for Bogle  any club that does this is utter turd and that would include Forest as well

Swindon were good enough to give you a good up and coming player on the promise of a hefty sell on fee so fooking pay what you agreed with them for god sake

And the worst part about this is that Derby are about to get a decent sell on fee for Will Hughes who is linked with a 15m move to Tottenham, its no wonder every club in the Championship hates the sheep s*gging cants.

Wouldn’t sheff Utd have to be in agreement with this? Why would they do it as there is no benefit to them

I seem to remember something like this happening when Arsenal sold Overmars and Petit to Barcelona - didn’t one of them have a sell on clause, so they adjusted the amounts to reduce it? Might be misremembering though.

Redrobo

It is a scummy thing to do. Big clubs nick players for next to nothing and sell on for a profit. To fiddle a club that desperately needs that money is disgusting.

stoneroses19

My imagination steers me towards an employee in a locked room in Pride Park searching for loopholes in EFL guidelines all day.