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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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When they have to sell the club coach to fund it at least they have a load of taxis to transport the players... oh waitAthletico Charlton said:To be fair , with Wednesday being deducted 12 next season they are going to have to go and spend some serious cash to get a squad capable of staying up. I mean, they may need to raise £50-60M to spend on the team... Wonder if the owner fancies buying the training ground too!0 -
No money changed hands when they sold the ground. It was just a figure put into the accounts. There is nothing to stop the owner selling the ground back to the club for £10m, and then re-buying the club for £70m. You just put the figures in the accounts. Simples.Athletico Charlton said:To be fair , with Wednesday being deducted 12 next season they are going to have to go and spend some serious cash to get a squad capable of staying up. I mean, they may need to raise £50-60M to spend on the team... Wonder if the owner fancies buying the training ground too!1 -
What about Stamp Duty? Was it paid?3
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Can this be brought to the European court for arbitration of Sport (CAS) ?0
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I would prefer if Wigan stayed up. They deserved it on the field. Barnsley were dross most of the season but improved last few games. Plus their owners have deep pockets and would help sue the the EFL0
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I know I’ve asked this before and been blankedThe Sheffield Wednesday owner put money in to the club by moody jiggery pokery accounting but is it in the form of a gift like our current generous unknown benefactors lol or is it loan based stacked with interest on payments like the evil douchebag
yes rules have been broken and they should be punished accordingly
what season was the rule initially broken and did they immediately rectify this the following season by complying with FairPlay rules or whatever it is .Cos to me if someone (who can prove source of funds and is legit ) wants to spunk their dough on a football club by gifting their club big sums of money I say they should be allowed to and more fool them .1 -
I don’t get this argument. If clubs cheat and are able to buy and field players they shouldn’t be able to afford, then the fact they they ‘are better than us’ is irrelevant.cafcsinger said:
A legal challenge would never work imo, fact is Wednesday still get punished and we’re actually the second worst team in the division if you take out Wigan as well.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You'd at least expect the punishment to apply this season.cafcsinger said:Not sure what people were expecting.
They were charged this season, their hearing was this season, the verdict was announced this season............but the punishment is applied next season. How does that work?Yes, if you take Wigan out as well then we would’ve had a bit of luck staying up, but there again, we had a massive amount of bad luck that took us down in the first place, with injuries and bad refereeing decisions etc etc. Losing only two games against clubs in the top six demonstrates that we were not a total disaster.1 -
The punishment doesn’t befit the crime. They’ve been found guilty and should be relegated with a 12 point deduction next season. Same should apply to Derby. No justice in this outcome6
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And add to that our main goalscorer refusing to play in those crucial last few games..JamesSeed said:
I don’t get this argument. If clubs cheat and are able to buy and field players they shouldn’t be able to afford, then the fact they they ‘are better than us’ is irrelevant.cafcsinger said:
A legal challenge would never work imo, fact is Wednesday still get punished and we’re actually the second worst team in the division if you take out Wigan as well.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You'd at least expect the punishment to apply this season.cafcsinger said:Not sure what people were expecting.
They were charged this season, their hearing was this season, the verdict was announced this season............but the punishment is applied next season. How does that work?Yes, if you take Wigan out as well then we would’ve had a bit of luck staying up, but there again, we had a massive amount of bad luck that took us down in the first place, with injuries and bad refereeing decisions etc etc. Losing only two games against clubs in the top six demonstrates that we were not a total disaster.1 -
Precisely. You could say that we were relegated because we lost a point at Sheffield Wed. 0-0 with seconds to go & Fletcher pops up to score the winner for them.JamesSeed said:
I don’t get this argument. If clubs cheat and are able to buy and field players they shouldn’t be able to afford, then the fact they they ‘are better than us’ is irrelevant.cafcsinger said:
A legal challenge would never work imo, fact is Wednesday still get punished and we’re actually the second worst team in the division if you take out Wigan as well.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You'd at least expect the punishment to apply this season.cafcsinger said:Not sure what people were expecting.
They were charged this season, their hearing was this season, the verdict was announced this season............but the punishment is applied next season. How does that work?Yes, if you take Wigan out as well then we would’ve had a bit of luck staying up, but there again, we had a massive amount of bad luck that took us down in the first place, with injuries and bad refereeing decisions etc etc. Losing only two games against clubs in the top six demonstrates that we were not a total disaster.
Now, if they hadn't had cheated the ffp rules & therefore not bought Fletcher then he couldn't have scored against us. Sheff W being able to buy players on higher salaries led to us being relegated. Pure & simple.5 - Sponsored links:
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And even distorted the playoff and automatic promotion places?golfaddick said:
Precisely. You could say that we were relegated because we lost a point at Sheffield Wed. 0-0 with seconds to go & Fletcher pops up to score the winner for them.JamesSeed said:
I don’t get this argument. If clubs cheat and are able to buy and field players they shouldn’t be able to afford, then the fact they they ‘are better than us’ is irrelevant.cafcsinger said:
A legal challenge would never work imo, fact is Wednesday still get punished and we’re actually the second worst team in the division if you take out Wigan as well.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You'd at least expect the punishment to apply this season.cafcsinger said:Not sure what people were expecting.
They were charged this season, their hearing was this season, the verdict was announced this season............but the punishment is applied next season. How does that work?Yes, if you take Wigan out as well then we would’ve had a bit of luck staying up, but there again, we had a massive amount of bad luck that took us down in the first place, with injuries and bad refereeing decisions etc etc. Losing only two games against clubs in the top six demonstrates that we were not a total disaster.
Now, if they hadn't had cheated the ffp rules & therefore not bought Fletcher then he couldn't have scored against us. Sheff W being able to buy players on higher salaries led to us being relegated. Pure & simple.
No doubt it has made a mockery of the completed table in the Championship.
Sheffield Wednesday cheated.
And the EFL are complicit with this.9 -
Sadly they are.
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The only charge that SWFC have had is filing the sale of the ground into the wrong year.
And there was an email from the EFL confirming it was okay.
We are appealing this verdict and it now looks like the 12 point penalty could be overturned....now as much as I dislike our current owner if he was given the okay then I dont no what more he could"ve done.
Lets wait and see how our appeal now goes.
I note Charlton are now under some sort of investigation by the EFL now as well?20 -
I'll nibble, an email confirming the "sale" of stadium was ok, or it was ok to put the "sale" of the stadium into the wrong years accounts? Bit of a difference.operationpig said:The only charge that SWFC have had is filing the sale of the ground into the wrong year.
And there was an email from the EFL confirming it was okay.
We are appealing this verdict and it now looks like the 12 point penalty could be overturned....now as much as I dislike our current owner if he was given the okay then I dont no what more he could"ve done.
Lets wait and see how our appeal now goes.
I note Charlton are now under some sort of investigation by the EFL now as well?6 -
operationpig said:The only charge that SWFC have had is filing the sale of the ground into the wrong year. Yep, nothing wrong with that. OK, just the small matter of fiddling the books to avoid accumulating more than the allowable losses in a three-year period which would have triggered penalties from the Football League.
And there was an email from the EFL confirming it was okay. The FL actively encouraged disclosing a financial transaction in an incorrect reporting period (not good) or merely said that "selling" the ground to your owner was within the (piss-poor) rules?
We are appealing this verdict and it now looks like the 12 point penalty could be overturned....That would be a disgrace and a massive f-you to all the clubs across the FL that have conducted their affairs in line with the financial regs
now as much as I dislike our current owner if he was given the okay then I dont no what more he could"ve done. Not bloody cheat?
Lets wait and see how our appeal now goes.
I note Charlton are now under some sort of investigation by the EFL now as well?
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Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.15 -
Think we've all had a stomach full of whataboutisms from our own "owners" thanks. Was that the same "source" that thought you'd get off entirely?operationpig said:Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.1 -
For the record, I don't agree with the parachute payments that relegated Premier League clubs receive - I think it distorts the following seasons' competition (is it two or three years they get?) giving those clubs an unfair advantage over the other Championship teams. Clubs earn enough money whilst in the top flight; surely they can squirrel some away as a contingency reserve for a post-relegation existence.
Loopholes, cheating, whatever - it all goes against the spirit of what sport should be and they should be punished regardless of which division they are in.
If only there was some kind of over-arching governing body that could apply consistent rules against all levels of the professional game ...6 -
You mean, like the government?Briston_Addick said:For the record, I don't agree with the parachute payments that relegated Premier League clubs receive - I think it distorts the following seasons' competition (is it two or three years they get?) giving those clubs an unfair advantage over the other Championship teams. Clubs earn enough money whilst in the top flight; surely they can squirrel some away as a contingency reserve for a post-relegation existence.
Loopholes, cheating, whatever - it all goes against the spirit of what sport should be and they should be punished regardless of which division they are in.
If only there was some kind of over-arching governing body that could apply consistent rules against all levels of the professional game ...0 -
The fact that others have cheated does not make your club lesser cheats. The only charge was the false accounting of the sale of the ground into the wrong year. But everyone knows that was the thin edge of your cheating. The valuation of the ground is laughable, the various sponsorship deals via sham companies is a disgrace.operationpig said:Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.
I don’t care if you get a pardon from the Pope. You are cheats.
At least be honest with yourself. Most of those posting on Owls Talk know it was wrong, and I think we all know you will carry on cheating. Trying to justify it makes it worse.
I am beginning to think you will win your appeal as the more fans across the Championship look at what is happening, the more no one can understand the delays and favourable treatment your club got. It stinks piggy 🐷 and you know it.12 - Sponsored links:
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Well I agree, and the PP was designed for clubs to cover big earning players that couldn't continue to pay 100k a week in the EFL and in theory, its a good idea but the trouble is clubs don't use it properly and use it to sign players again!Briston_Addick said:For the record, I don't agree with the parachute payments that relegated Premier League clubs receive - I think it distorts the following seasons' competition (is it two or three years they get?) giving those clubs an unfair advantage over the other Championship teams. Clubs earn enough money whilst in the top flight; surely they can squirrel some away as a contingency reserve for a post-relegation existence.
Loopholes, cheating, whatever - it all goes against the spirit of what sport should be and they should be punished regardless of which division they are in.
If only there was some kind of over-arching governing body that could apply consistent rules against all levels of the professional game ...
Also whilst ever you have owners who wants to put their own money into the club you are going to get this.
The state of football is a joke, its all about money now and nothing else.4 -
Tbh these sham companies are legitimately legal and set up.Redrobo said:
The fact that others have cheated does not make your club lesser cheats. The only charge was the false accounting of the sale of the ground into the wrong year. But everyone knows that was the thin edge of your cheating. The valuation of the ground is laughable, the various sponsorship deals via sham companies is a disgrace.operationpig said:Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.
I don’t care if you get a pardon from the Pope. You are cheats.
At least be honest with yourself. Most of those posting on Owls Talk know it was wrong, and I think we all know you will carry on cheating. Trying to justify it makes it worse.
I am beginning to think you will win your appeal as the more fans across the Championship look at what is happening, the more no one can understand the delays and favourable treatment your club got. It stinks piggy 🐷 and you know it.
Do you know any different or are you just reading Owlstalk for your information because if you are may I give you a big LOL...lol1 -
Well, not to put too fine a point on it. I hope Wednesday get relegated next season and crash and burn.5
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OFFS.operationpig said:
Tbh these sham companies are legitimately legal and set up.Redrobo said:
The fact that others have cheated does not make your club lesser cheats. The only charge was the false accounting of the sale of the ground into the wrong year. But everyone knows that was the thin edge of your cheating. The valuation of the ground is laughable, the various sponsorship deals via sham companies is a disgrace.operationpig said:Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.
I don’t care if you get a pardon from the Pope. You are cheats.
At least be honest with yourself. Most of those posting on Owls Talk know it was wrong, and I think we all know you will carry on cheating. Trying to justify it makes it worse.
I am beginning to think you will win your appeal as the more fans across the Championship look at what is happening, the more no one can understand the delays and favourable treatment your club got. It stinks piggy 🐷 and you know it.
Do you know any different or are you just reading Owlstalk for your information because if you are may I give you a big LOL...lol
Did you overvalue your ground?
Did you deliberately back date the sale in your accounts?
Does your shirt sponsor company trade?
Does the taxi company that sponsors you have any taxis?
Does the drinks company that sponsors you make any drinks?1 -
Vile cheats of the worst kind. Hilarious you can't admit it. No way you will win an appeal. You did it FFS!operationpig said:Cheat ?
If you want to look at cheats take a look a parachute payments rewarding clubs for failing.
You have already seen clubs like Leicester Wolves and Bournemouth all use loopholes ( some say cheat) just to get around ffp used to stop owners over spending, however because they sit in the PL they cant be touched.
Lets see how our appeal goes ...source says looking good for it to be overturned.3 -
I think if my memory serves me correctly,the parachute payments were a sweetner offered so that they got the votes from lower level clubs in danger of leaving the top level,to ensure they had every assistance in getting back.ross1 said:
You mean, like the government?Briston_Addick said:For the record, I don't agree with the parachute payments that relegated Premier League clubs receive - I think it distorts the following seasons' competition (is it two or three years they get?) giving those clubs an unfair advantage over the other Championship teams. Clubs earn enough money whilst in the top flight; surely they can squirrel some away as a contingency reserve for a post-relegation existence.
Loopholes, cheating, whatever - it all goes against the spirit of what sport should be and they should be punished regardless of which division they are in.
If only there was some kind of over-arching governing body that could apply consistent rules against all levels of the professional game ...0 -
You can argue with the amounts and how long they do on for, but I can understand the logic of parachute payments as the income drop between the PL and Championship is massive. No organisation in any field would be able to cope with such a large and immediate income drop, hence the parachute payments exist to easy the transition, without the necessity of a complete on field fire sale
It's not as if the relegated teams always bounce straight back. Sunderland, like us, got relegated twice, while Huddersfield were far more likely to be relegated again than promoted1 -
Whatever happens, Wednesday will always be a scummy cheating club. Their fans must be so proud.6
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Like us, their fans have no say over the actions of their owners and personally I have no problem with their fans, and the vast majority I am sure are embarrassed by the actions of their club, as I would be if it was Charlton doing the same.MuttleyCAFC said:Whatever happens, Wednesday will always be a scummy cheating club. Their fans must be so proud.
The game is bigger than even the massives.It matters because football as we know it is under serious threat.
Sheffield Wednesday can never hold their heads up again. Appealing is beyond a joke.3 -
What a WAWAWanker6
