Currently it is commonplace in contracts to see a c.25% pay rise when promoted to the Championship. I can see that becoming 200-500% as standard going forward which will just become another absolutely mental thing.
The only way a salary cap works is if it is as a % of turnover, you cannot just level the playing field by enforcing a £ cap. If it is enforced you will see a lot of huge clubs slipping down the pyramid into oblivion. It must also be applied from the top down. the fact that the worst teams in the championship can pay 7 times the salary of the top league ones clubs and still be within the budget is an absolute joke.
it is also incredibly unfair on London based clubs, £100K a year does not get you very fair at all compared to the same salary up north.
Yet another example of the EFL being completely unfit for purpose.
Good point. It encourages teams in the championship to offer longer term contracts on good terms which is not healthy.
This then means when they comes down they have a massive advantage over other teams and odds stacked they go straight back up and if they dont they are bang in trouble.
It encourages a shit or bust approach from above.
Exactly that, and this is all before we even get into the fact their will be no cap at all in the Prem.
The only way football becomes sustainable is if every club in the country is restricted to a salary cap of say 90% of their turnover (Allowing a percentage to cover other costs) You can therefore only pay payers more when you have increased your revenue streams by either getting promoted, getting into europe, doing well in a cup, expanding stadium capacity, additional sponsorship.
There should then be additional scrutiny on all sponsorship deals to stop the Cheating Wednesdays and Derbies of the world from faking revenue streams.
This would never get signed off because sides like City, Chelsea etc wouldnt be able to buy the league. If you cant do it for everyone then ijust fucking sack the whole thing off. You either want to make football as a whole sustainable or you don't. Part measures will always penalise some and hand an unfair advantage to others.
Apologies to all for the ranting, this has really got on my tits!
Also has a pretty big effect on Championship clubs, go through the current Champ teams and most have been in the Prem recently and will have squads of players on 20K a week minimum, before you might be able to pick up a champ squad player on loan, pay X amount to his wages, those days will probably be gone, if a league one club can only offer to pay £2,000 of say, Josh Cullens 20K a week wage, then the parent club might as well keep him as a squad player, and cases like when we signed Williams wont come off either.
Championship bargins will probably stick to being bench professionals rather than take an 80% pay cut as well.
Phillips wants out then...didnt know that myself but wasnt sure if it was a known thing.
Very interesting that he doesn't want to sign a contract, but then what contract could we offer anyway? £1.5k a week, rising to £2k if we pass the embargo?
Unless we decide to keep him, run the risk of getting promoted at the end of this season meaning he can either leave on a free or be offered better terms that are acceptable for both him and his Agent - Of course the risk of that is we dont get promoted and we lose a very sellable asset for nothing
The salary cap means League 1 clubs can pay new signings £2k per week, but we’re restricted to £1.3k under our embargo.
That includes loans but excludes players under 21.
Last week we missed out on Doncaster winger Kieran Sadlier after he signed for Rotherham. He was Doncaster’s top scorer last season.
Which of the League 1 & League 2 teams agreed to this...? Was it a simple majority vote or a 2/3rd majority needed. Cant see how any experienced players will sign for any decent League 1 teams like Sunderland, Pompey, Ipswich etc if you can only pay £1300 a week.
According to the Guardian link I posted...
League 1: 16 in favour, 7 against, 1 didn’t vote League 2: 22 in favour, 2 against
So, held to ransom by the smaller clubs who cant even pay £2k per week let alone £4k or £5k
Hope they bring it in for the Premier League too & let all 92 clubs vote. League1 & 2 clubs vote for it & see how that pans out. (Obviously wont but you see my point - absolutely ridiculous decision)
Is Dillion a Charlton fan? Most of our youngsters never seem to be Charlton fans which is disappointing.
George Lapslie certainly is... Dont know about anyone else though
I've never been entirely sure about the Lapslie thing, seeing that he's from NE London. I think the likes of him and Phillips will have gained a strong love for the club thanks to being here so long, but it's different from someone like a Rob Elliott who's genuinely local and supported the club, even before they paid him
If Dillion is not going to sign a new contract we need to sell and cash in with add ons.
Or keep him and take a chance that we get promoted and then we can offer him a much better contract in the Championship.
We need to be taken over by someone who can fund the club, and if they do that we hopefully won’t need to sell anyone.
I would rather sell him now. Amos is good another for league one.
Salary cap means we can’t use the money to strengthen the squad though, so all it does is weaken the squad and pays the bills for a few months.
I don't know enough about the salary cap.
The salary cap stops you using money on fees within the squad if it fits within the salary cap rules?
So for example if we got 500k for Phillips we cant sign a centre back for 100k on wages under the salary cap?
But then we have to find someone willing to join on the stupid low wages... Especially as Cawley has already said that there are League Two players currently on higher amounts
Maybe in a few years this Salary Cap will look better, when everyone's current Contract has expired and have either moved to the Championship or have no choice to be on lower
If Dillion is not going to sign a new contract we need to sell and cash in with add ons.
Or keep him and take a chance that we get promoted and then we can offer him a much better contract in the Championship.
We need to be taken over by someone who can fund the club, and if they do that we hopefully won’t need to sell anyone.
I would rather sell him now. Amos is good another for league one.
Salary cap means we can’t use the money to strengthen the squad though, so all it does is weaken the squad and pays the bills for a few months.
I don't know enough about the salary cap.
The salary cap stops you using money on fees within the squad if it fits within the salary cap rules?
So for example if we got 500k for Phillips we cant sign a centre back for 100k on wages under the salary cap?
But then we have to find someone willing to join on the stupid low wages... Especially as Cawley has already said that there are League Two players currently on higher amounts
Maybe in a few years this Salary Cap will look better, when everyone's current Contract has expired and have either moved to the Championship or have no choice to be on lower
Was Cawley not saying League two players are on more than the wage we can offer because of the embargo? Not Salary cap?
We could do that, what I mean is we can’t sell Phillips for say £2m and add £1m to the wage budget, we’re limited to £2.5m regardless of our income.
Which is crazy. You could end up with a situation where Sunderland have 30k spectators every week, bring in several million in players sale, but effectively not be able to spend any of it, as the type of players commanding a decent fee would want wages they'd be forbidden to pay
If the PFA case isn't successful, I'm sure they and others will challenge this rule in the courts.
If Dillion is not going to sign a new contract we need to sell and cash in with add ons.
Or keep him and take a chance that we get promoted and then we can offer him a much better contract in the Championship.
We need to be taken over by someone who can fund the club, and if they do that we hopefully won’t need to sell anyone.
I would rather sell him now. Amos is good another for league one.
Salary cap means we can’t use the money to strengthen the squad though, so all it does is weaken the squad and pays the bills for a few months.
I don't know enough about the salary cap.
The salary cap stops you using money on fees within the squad if it fits within the salary cap rules?
So for example if we got 500k for Phillips we cant sign a centre back for 100k on wages under the salary cap?
But then we have to find someone willing to join on the stupid low wages... Especially as Cawley has already said that there are League Two players currently on higher amounts
Maybe in a few years this Salary Cap will look better, when everyone's current Contract has expired and have either moved to the Championship or have no choice to be on lower
Was Cawley not saying League two players are on more than the wage we can offer because of the embargo? Not Salary cap?
Ah I thought he was saying that some League Two players are above what League One teams can now offer due to the cap
We could do that, what I mean is we can’t sell Phillips for say £2m and add £1m to the wage budget, we’re limited to £2.5m regardless of our income.
Which is crazy. You could end up with a situation where Sunderland have 30k spectators every week, bring in several million in players sale, but effectively not be able to spend any of it, as the type of players commanding a decent fee would want wages they'd be forbidden to pay
If the PFA case isn't successful, I'm sure they and others will challenge this rule in the courts.
Sounds like Rolands wet dream sell players on but cant re-invest the money because of the cap. Fill the squad with youth to balance the gap.
As soon as a championship club come in they can offer a player 5 times there wage and the player will be desperate to go and it does not leave the club much to bargain a decent fee on.
If Dillion is not going to sign a new contract we need to sell and cash in with add ons.
Or keep him and take a chance that we get promoted and then we can offer him a much better contract in the Championship.
We need to be taken over by someone who can fund the club, and if they do that we hopefully won’t need to sell anyone.
I would rather sell him now. Amos is good another for league one.
Salary cap means we can’t use the money to strengthen the squad though, so all it does is weaken the squad and pays the bills for a few months.
I don't know enough about the salary cap.
The salary cap stops you using money on fees within the squad if it fits within the salary cap rules?
So for example if we got 500k for Phillips we cant sign a centre back for 100k on wages under the salary cap?
But then we have to find someone willing to join on the stupid low wages... Especially as Cawley has already said that there are League Two players currently on higher amounts
Maybe in a few years this Salary Cap will look better, when everyone's current Contract has expired and have either moved to the Championship or have no choice to be on lower
Was Cawley not saying League two players are on more than the wage we can offer because of the embargo? Not Salary cap?
Ah I thought he was saying that some League Two players are above what League One teams can now offer due to the cap
The salary cap makes absolutely no sense, some teams in League 1 with big grounds who rake in a lot of money through ticket sales and go on a cup run will be able to cover the wages through that and sponsorship alone, and will end up making huge profits if they then sell on a youngster for a big fee, but won't be able to actually do anything with that money except pocket it. Smaller clubs won't be able to then compete if they manage to get promoted to the Championship as the wage difference will be humongous as say a Newcastle or a West Ham get relegated and have average wages of 50k a week, the budget spent on players could be up to 40x the 2.5m the League 1 team is restricted to.
We could do that, what I mean is we can’t sell Phillips for say £2m and add £1m to the wage budget, we’re limited to £2.5m regardless of our income.
Which is crazy. You could end up with a situation where Sunderland have 30k spectators every week, bring in several million in players sale, but effectively not be able to spend any of it, as the type of players commanding a decent fee would want wages they'd be forbidden to pay
If the PFA case isn't successful, I'm sure they and others will challenge this rule in the courts.
May be an unpopular opinion but I think it's fair and needed. It balances the playing field. It stops clubs running up masses of debt trying to make it to the next level (or compete with a club the size of Sunderland).
It is going to be a massive adjustment, though, and it couldn't come at a worse time for us.
We could do that, what I mean is we can’t sell Phillips for say £2m and add £1m to the wage budget, we’re limited to £2.5m regardless of our income.
Which is crazy. You could end up with a situation where Sunderland have 30k spectators every week, bring in several million in players sale, but effectively not be able to spend any of it, as the type of players commanding a decent fee would want wages they'd be forbidden to pay
If the PFA case isn't successful, I'm sure they and others will challenge this rule in the courts.
May be an unpopular opinion but I think it's fair and needed. It balances the playing field. It stops clubs running up masses of debt trying to make it to the next level (or compete with a club the size of Sunderland).
It is going to be a massive adjustment, though, and it couldn't come at a worse time for us.
We always get relegated at the wrong bloody times!!
A wage cap is certainly needed to make each League fair but still think it should be based on percentage rather than just a salary across the board
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The only way football becomes sustainable is if every club in the country is restricted to a salary cap of say 90% of their turnover (Allowing a percentage to cover other costs) You can therefore only pay payers more when you have increased your revenue streams by either getting promoted, getting into europe, doing well in a cup, expanding stadium capacity, additional sponsorship.
There should then be additional scrutiny on all sponsorship deals to stop the Cheating Wednesdays and Derbies of the world from faking revenue streams.
This would never get signed off because sides like City, Chelsea etc wouldnt be able to buy the league. If you cant do it for everyone then ijust fucking sack the whole thing off. You either want to make football as a whole sustainable or you don't. Part measures will always penalise some and hand an unfair advantage to others.
Apologies to all for the ranting, this has really got on my tits!
Also has a pretty big effect on Championship clubs, go through the current Champ teams and most have been in the Prem recently and will have squads of players on 20K a week minimum, before you might be able to pick up a champ squad player on loan, pay X amount to his wages, those days will probably be gone, if a league one club can only offer to pay £2,000 of say, Josh Cullens 20K a week wage, then the parent club might as well keep him as a squad player, and cases like when we signed Williams wont come off either.
Championship bargins will probably stick to being bench professionals rather than take an 80% pay cut as well.
Phillips wants out then...didnt know that myself but wasnt sure if it was a known thing.
We need to be taken over by someone who can fund the club, and if they do that we hopefully won’t need to sell anyone.
Hope they bring it in for the Premier League too & let all 92 clubs vote. League1 & 2 clubs vote for it & see how that pans out. (Obviously wont but you see my point - absolutely ridiculous decision)
I don't know enough about the salary cap.
The salary cap stops you using money on fees within the squad if it fits within the salary cap rules?
So for example if we got 500k for Phillips we cant sign a centre back for 100k on wages under the salary cap?
Maybe in a few years this Salary Cap will look better, when everyone's current Contract has expired and have either moved to the Championship or have no choice to be on lower
If the PFA case isn't successful, I'm sure they and others will challenge this rule in the courts.
As soon as a championship club come in they can offer a player 5 times there wage and the player will be desperate to go and it does not leave the club much to bargain a decent fee on.
It is going to be a massive adjustment, though, and it couldn't come at a worse time for us.
A wage cap is certainly needed to make each League fair but still think it should be based on percentage rather than just a salary across the board