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Charlton v Wigan | Sat 18 July, 2020 | Post-match thread
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I will say this about Bonne. He obviously has a strong character. Other strikers who've missed as many easy chances as he has would've gone hiding. But he keeps showing up.
I also think the types of chances he has missed since the restart are unforgivable - for a striker at any level. We should've been safe games ago.
We did incredibly well against a Wigan team on fire. Wigan fans were very complimentary of us, saying we outplayed them, didn't let them into their natural game, they had to switch to a 3-5-2 just to match us (which they have never played) and that we must be disappointed since we threw the kitchen sink at them. (They seem like a decent lot).
I didn't think we stood a chance before kick-off and especially after they scored so have to give full credit to Bowyer and his men. They really fought back and were unlucky in the end. We're always so close but luck has never once been on our side this season.
Sarr makes a difference with his distribution. He created a few chances with his ability to see one of our strikers was in.
Aneke absolutely brilliant off the bench again. Wigan didn't know what to do with him. I remember a moment he went past three players, and all of them tried to bring him down, but they all failed because he was too strong!
Cullen had another really poor game. Needs a rest. I'm sure he'll be gutted putting in a performance like that in front of Moyes. Personally I think he is a top-half Championship player at the moment. I don't see Prem quality.
Doughty... Imagine what he'll be like in 2-3 years. Wow.
Pearce was so dodgy earlier in the season, I'd feel nervous watching him play, now he's the absolute rock at the back? What a hero club captain.
Davison has been praised by many on here, I didn't notice him much. Though to be honest, I was so nervous first half that I was in a state of delirium, so I won't comment much more than that.
There were a lot of positives. Also some frustrating things: off-side from free-kicks again? Giving away silly fouls that let them opposition take minutes off the clock (Aneke). Bringing on Williams and McGeady only to play aimless long balls up front. But we got there in the end.
I think we can beat Leeds. They'll already be thinking about next season. Remember the year we won the Championship, we lost our last two games.7 -
Footage from the CCTV camera at the Danish club in Auckland, when Bonne scored 😆
5 very happy Charlton supporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m74nLLubdYU
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well that was a breath of fresh air - not sure how it would have ended up if we were leading at any point but just glad bowyer wasn't given the opportunity to park the bus coz its rarely worked. Doughty was immense and totally dominated down that side - why on earth he hasn't had more game time post lockdown is baffing when kept out of side by oshilaja in particular - anyway.. bonne did well and is there to score and miss them but at least he's there - davison better partner than hemed, caskey a passenger, chuks and williams great second phase of game options - team set up and subs were about right at last - wigan not as good as i was expecting, when will field finish 90 minutes? - doughty clearly wasn't that injured to be taken off against brum - it wasa bad mistake and hope it doesn't end up costing us - shame luton won but reckon we go into last game now with a probably better than even chance of staying up2
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When will Bonne try to chip it over the keeper, when one on one? Missed from almost identical positions yesterday and against Reading.0
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Mendonca had his own style when in thosee situations......he tried to go round the keeper and usually got tripped & won a penalty. Whether it was a confidence thing or something he'd been taught I dont know, but I dont remember too many times Super Clive scoring from 1 on 1's........apart from his 2nd at Wembley !!Danepak said:When will Bonne try to chip it over the keeper, when one on one? Missed from almost identical positions yesterday and against Reading.
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Just noticed Liverpool are playing Chelsea on Wednesday evening, might give it a watch, be a lot less stressful!
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But they can still avoid relegation WITH the deduction, so they won’t.golfaddick said:CharltontillidieCOYR said:jimmymelrose said:I do wish that people would stop counting on points reductions. We have to stay above three teams with no points reductions taken into account.
Otherwise we will be in the bottom three throughout August waiting for the EFL to take the points off. Apart from the stress that would cause us all, how are the management supposed to prepare for next season not knowing what league we are in?
We wouldn't even know if we have a league to play in as League One might not even start but the Championship will.As has been said a number of times now as soon as final whistle goes wednesday night -12 points will be deducted from wigan!!
so no waiting throughout august there
Iwould like them to deduct the 12 points now, just so everyone is 100% with it. They can no longer go down automatically so the 12 points can now be deducted.0 -
I think Bonne very much knows he has to work hard and learn a lot more. Recognising he isn’t there yet is I think his major strength at present. He’s come a long way very quickly and I’m not sure if he’s ever going to be a Championship striker but I do know that it won’t be because of a lack of application. I like the lad a lot.4
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A successful appeal would set a precedent and open the EFL up to legal challenges going forward. They have to change the rules to prevent this from happening in the same way they need to make changes to ensure clubs can't be bought by potless wide boys who want to steal whatever they can before doing a runner.bobmunro said:
I’m wide awake, and I am also very familiar with EFL rules. This one is black and white.1968CAFC said:
Wigan !!bobmunro said:1968CAFC said:
How does that make sense ?ForeverAddickted said:
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down
If we lose at Leeds and Luton get a better result
We stay up....how will they, they would have more points?
We are only better than them now on goal difference.........please explain what you mean ?
WIGAN!!
wake up they could win the appeal 😂😂😂😂
Appeals are only ever successful if there are one or more valid grounds - in this case, and in every case where administration occurs, there is none.0 -
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Agree but Clive had very good close control of the ball without much pace it has to be said. He also had that rare top striker quality of being supremely confident in his own ability to score. Don’t think he ever went through a crisis of confidence.golfaddick said:
Mendonca had his own style when in thosee situations......he tried to go round the keeper and usually got tripped & won a penalty. Whether it was a confidence thing or something he'd been taught I dont know, but I dont remember too many times Super Clive scoring from 1 on 1's........apart from his 2nd at Wembley !!Danepak said:When will Bonne try to chip it over the keeper, when one on one? Missed from almost identical positions yesterday and against Reading.1 -
Hemed didn't touch the ball on Wednesday night. That's why he was dropped today.orpingtonRED said:
Agree Cullen looked shattered today. Hammers would be mad to sell him or loan him out again though. Ive watched a bit of them the last month and they aint great in midfield. Noble is getting on,Rice will be gone in 12 months so they cant plan around him, Cullen and Bowen could be a good base for their future.MattF said:
Feel Cullen if that is the case because I believe his recent performances are due to playing every minute of every match and he needs a bit of a rest.oohaahmortimer said:For some weird reason I got a bit choked up as the teams came out today and welled up (what a fucking weirdo)I think it was my view that relegation was coming and all the hard work of last season was about to evaporate due to the patheticness of Roland and the crooks/chancers/Charlatans who may or may not own our club. This can still all happen .
I thought we looked dangerous first half ....but in a weird way I think Cullen and Lockyer have gotten really poor by their own standards in recent games and Moyes won’t be tripping over himself to put Cullen in his Prem squad next season.
Bonne is like all good modern bowlers......in today’s game he knew when to throw in a good slower ball , first one didn’t cause any problems and was easily dispatched by the wigan keeper but he wasn’t perturbed by that and the second trundler nestled in the bottom corner to send my household in to a body popping frenzy .
Its still in our hands but I think we’ll drop it so best to have someone else take that chance and Fulham have a better set of hands than us .....
65% we stay up ....... 35% heart break
He might get it as well if his knock is serious enough, but he won't then have the opportunity to find better form for us again.0 -
Re: Bonne - every striker misses chances. The first part of their job is to be in the right place, the second part is to convert the chance. All strikers will have missed chances as well as goals to their name. Watching the old Charlton v Hull highlights (Hales hat trick game) the other week, I noticed that Hales had three or four other chances that game that he missed.6
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Bonne's not allowed to miss.EveshamAddick said:Re: Bonne - every striker misses chances. The first part of their job is to be in the right place, the second part is to convert the chance. All strikers will have missed chances as well as goals to their name. Watching the old Charlton v Hull highlights (Hales hat trick game) the other week, I noticed that Hales had three or four other chances that game that he missed.1 -
I thought Marshall did well by staying up as long as possible and making himself as big a target as possibleDanepak said:When will Bonne try to chip it over the keeper, when one on one? Missed from almost identical positions yesterday and against Reading.
He's probably another reason why Bonne dithers as if Marshall goes down to early then Bonne can just chip him
From the replays it looks like he tries to slot it through Marshall's legs rather than put it round him0 -
There was a very telling vignette yesterday. We were 1-2 down. In the water break, second half, Wigan players formed a scrum, hugging each other’s shoulders – a collective meditation, staring at the turf. As in a dreamy session in an organic tent in northern California.
Meanwhile – we have this extraordinary squad of rag-bag misfits. Naby Sarr, international caps, towering alone, quite separate in his thoughts. Two yards away is Josh Davison, a child from a suburban semi, subbed off and missing his mum and dad. There is no time for airy-fairy group-think – Bowyer was giving very specific instructions to Lockyer, jabbing and pointing.
When the ref whistled to resume play, Lockyer ran on to the pitch, and was still being taught a lesson from his manager, shouting and waving. Bowyer is physically slight. Imagine him in the dressing room, looking up to the eyes of Chuks Aneke, a muscle-bound grid-iron hulk from the Green Bay Packers.
And Bowyer has changed him. From a peripheral wanderer we have all watched at The Valley – to a man with a mission. Chuks powered forward yesterday, past three players, in to the box.
It works. We scored. We are fighters.
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We deserved at least a point yesterday in my opinion, Play to win the game and you’ll get something out of it, try and baton down the hatches and play for a draw and you’ll probably lose the game, our boldness got us something out of the game, which could be a telling point come the end of the season.
Id rather be going into the Leeds game where we are , rather than where the teams below us are.
However I do feel we need to take this new found boldness into the Leeds game, run at them , rather than trying to soak up pressure / knock silly passes around the defence, shows some balls and confidence lads and we’ll be all right.
So pleased Hemed was dropped, made sense, and I could understand Naby in the team passing balls over the top for the strikers to run onto, so was very happy with the starting 11 yesterday.
I just hope Field is fit enough to start v Leeds, otherwise it leaves us with a hole in midfield, we can’t afford to play injured players, there’s too much at stake if they break down and give a goal away.
Pleased we’ve given ourselves a chance to stay up going into the last game,anything could happen, with Wigan and Luton both playing at home on the last game, I don’t want us to rest on our laurels and think that it’s job done already, it’s far from it.3 -
Missed Doughty’s goal as I was getting a beer from the fridge And missed Bonne’s as I switched off and went down the pub. Note to self - don’t watch any of the game on Wednesday.13
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It is not particularly his misses that disturb me but his all round play has not been good enough and in a team that is greater than the sum of its parts I feel we have often been playing with 10 men. Davidson came on and the ball stuck to him, he won free kicks, blocked them, ran behind them and harried. I was always taught that when you are playing shit you work your nuts off (see Cullen) and I don't get that from Bonne.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Bonne's not allowed to miss.EveshamAddick said:Re: Bonne - every striker misses chances. The first part of their job is to be in the right place, the second part is to convert the chance. All strikers will have missed chances as well as goals to their name. Watching the old Charlton v Hull highlights (Hales hat trick game) the other week, I noticed that Hales had three or four other chances that game that he missed.
I am with @Sillybilly and @oohaahmortimer and really thought he should be taken off as he was not contributing (again). My thoughts were that 2 goals in 8 games were not enough to carry a player but then he pops up with a really good goal (far, far harder than many he has missed) and proves me wrong. 3 goals in 8 is acceptable, particularly as he didn't play 90 minutes in all those games, but he needs to contribute more like he did in the Autumn, when I thought he was excellent.
Don't get me wrong, he is the kind of player I love to see, one from non-league working their way back up the levels. I have wondered if after the goals he scored last year, before he got injured, if it hadn't gone to his head. There was talk that his agent wanted more money and that he was worth £x and team Y wanted to sign him making him think he had made it but giving up the hard work that had helped him to make it.
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Yet another game corrupted by ego maniac referee bending the rules and changing the result
Bonne being impeded by Byrne anywhere else on the pitch is a free kick no hesitation the absence of yellow for diving confirming Ward knew he wasn’t faking
Dowell’s persistent foul play saw him lectured and then withdrawn but no yellow.Morsy booked for first head high assault when a red was justified then no yellow for 2nd identical assault
Blatant selective application of the rules by Ward
Anything in the middle of the park he adjudicates either end of the field he keeps his whistle and his cards in his pocket No red cards regardless of the gravity
In short he cheats
None of which excuses Tom Lockyer’s piss poor defending and pathetic distribution. I know he’s 4th division but that was pub team poxy7 -
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Without Pratley and Field, expect to see Osh in CM.
Actually with Pearce possibly out too, we could be quite severely weakened for the Leeds game.2 -
Phillipsmendonca said:Without Pratley and Field, expect to see Osh in CM.
Actually with Pearce possibly out too, we could be quite severely weakened for the Leeds game.
Matthews | Lockyer | Sarr | Doughty
Morgan | Cullen | Williams | McGeady
Bonne | Aneke
Would be the worst case scenario for us starting
Or we could go:
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Lockyer | Oshilaja | Sarr
Matthews | Cullen | Lapslie | Doughty
Williams
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I'd prefer Purrington in there and Doughty to be our attacking threat in the final third. He is quite lethal.
Field was ran into clumsily so hoping just a knock to the hip that couldn't be run off.3 -
Doughty has gone up a notch. I think his decision making has improved. It is going to be quite hard keeping hold of the lad. His future is looking very bright.16
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He was really keen to show Byrne that he was faster and sharper than him!
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Still like Byrne, sort of player I'd happily see us re-sign if ever we could - Be good competition between him and Matthewsmendonca said:He was really keen to show Byrne that he was faster and sharper than him!2 -
So was his cross field ball prior to our first goal.Dansk_Red said:The cross field ball by Naddy Sarr to Bonne for the one to one on the keeper was pure class.6 -
No, if Bonne had finished it would have put us ahead I think.0
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Byrne was decent. But as if we would be in a position to ever have 2 x 1st choice players fighting it out for 1 spot.4
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Surprised its not been mentioned already but what with the position we're in, it was still nice to see Doughty | Morgan | Davison all on the pitch at the same time
I know Davison isnt from the Academy but has been nurtured in our U23s, all had decent games for us4
