One of the most overrated players we’ve had during this dire period, league two his level and the fact Stevenage haven’t bothered says it all.
He’s the classic example of accepting mediocrity. Deep down people knew he was crap, but we’ve been so starved of any decent players that a decent game every once in a while and he’s got potential, just needs better players around him etc.
I predict this season’s will be Jack Payne. We’ll all be hearing the same twaddle about him as we try and justify his contribution
League Two his level then... Surprised he didnt sign something more permanent @ Stevenage
Got the impression he wasn’t very mentally strong whilst playing for us. Always remember him going hiding when things got difficult. Probably prefers playing in a winner team in league 2, then a struggling team in league 1.
We bought this guy to get promoted from League One and he's not even good enough to play in League One.
Except he turned down Lincoln last seasons when we tried to shift him there and turned down Stevenage to resign for MK Dons.
Is he good enough for promotion from League 1? No, is he good enough to play on league 1? Yes. He was a starter in a bang average league 1 team, which suggests he is a bang average league 1 player.
We bought this guy to get promoted from League One and he's not even good enough to play in League One.
Except he turned down Lincoln last seasons when we tried to shift him there and turned down Stevenage to resign for MK Dons.
Is he good enough for promotion from League 1? No, is he good enough to play on league 1? Yes. He was a starter in a bang average league 1 team, which suggests he is a bang average league 1 player.
It’s difficult to say. In his first season there they got relegated from league one, he had that good season winning their player of the year when they got promoted from league two. He played a lot in the following season and got his move to us after that. I know Covid hit him hard so this is all a bit hypothetical, but he wasn’t a success and we moved him on and in the end, he ends up in League 2 at the age of 27, the prime of his career.
I take your point about interest from Lincoln, but I think he’s a poor league one player and will look back on a career mostly in league 2, because he just wasn’t good enough/bang average enough
We bought this guy to get promoted from League One and he's not even good enough to play in League One.
Except he turned down Lincoln last seasons when we tried to shift him there and turned down Stevenage to resign for MK Dons.
Is he good enough for promotion from League 1? No, is he good enough to play on league 1? Yes. He was a starter in a bang average league 1 team, which suggests he is a bang average league 1 player.
If he's genuinely good enough to play in league 1 then why isn't he? Probably because deep down he doesn't think he is, so he takes the easy route of going back to where he is loved, and in League 2.
A player seeking creature comforts isn't what we need, and not what you build success on
We bought this guy to get promoted from League One and he's not even good enough to play in League One.
Except he turned down Lincoln last seasons when we tried to shift him there and turned down Stevenage to resign for MK Dons.
Is he good enough for promotion from League 1? No, is he good enough to play on league 1? Yes. He was a starter in a bang average league 1 team, which suggests he is a bang average league 1 player.
If he's genuinely good enough to play in league 1 then why isn't he? Probably because deep down he doesn't think he is, so he takes the easy route of going back to where he is loved, and in League 2.
A player seeking creature comforts isn't what we need, and not what you build success on
Because, no disrespect, you looking at it from your arm chair and would give your right arm to have a shot at league 1.
He isn't going to play in the Premier league. He isn't going to play for England. He isn't even going to go to Lyle Taylor's "big school". He will know that.
If you take the biggish 8 clubs out of league 1 your probably looking at the same(ish) money from mid table league 1 to most of league 2.
Would you move half way across the country for a slightly better job, that doesn't improve your future employment prospects, for slightly more money?
Or would you look for a job you like, live where you live and be happy for "enough" money?
You are aware that Stevanage, who he apparently turned down, and Milton Keynes are all of 30 miles apart right? And Gilbey is originally from Pseudo-Essex (Dagenham) and Stevanage is closer to that part of the world than MK is. Hell if he lives further up like Chelmsford he's virtually driving through Stevanage to get to MK
You are aware that Stevanage, who he apparently turned down, and Milton Keynes are all of 30 miles apart right? And Gilbey is originally from Pseudo-Essex (Dagenham) and Stevanage is closer to that part of the world than MK is. Hell if he lives further up like Chelmsford he's virtually driving through Stevanage to get to MK
Yes and I never said location was everything did I? Like you said its only about half an hours drive. I never suggested he wanted to walk to work.
All things considered he chose to sign for MK Dons. For reasons I think a reasonable person could understand. Would it have made him a better footballer in your eyes if he had signed for Stevenage instead?
You are aware that Stevanage, who he apparently turned down, and Milton Keynes are all of 30 miles apart right? And Gilbey is originally from Pseudo-Essex (Dagenham) and Stevanage is closer to that part of the world than MK is. Hell if he lives further up like Chelmsford he's virtually driving through Stevanage to get to MK
Yes and I never said location was everything did I? Like you said its only about half an hours drive. I never suggested he wanted to walk to work.
All things considered he chose to sign for MK Dons. For reasons I think a reasonable person could understand. Would it have made him a better footballer in your eyes if he had signed for Stevenage instead?
You literally mentioned moving halfway across the country, I point out its not, then you said location isn't everything?! What's the message here?
The point is he's supposedly turned down two league 1 clubs to sign for a club he used to play for, in League 2. I think he's a dog shit footballer regardless of where he signs, but my point is he clearly doesn't have the drive in himself to better himself and push himself which means not only is he weak technically, he's also weak mentally. This doesn't add up to what you're saying about how he's a league 1 footballer
You are aware that Stevanage, who he apparently turned down, and Milton Keynes are all of 30 miles apart right? And Gilbey is originally from Pseudo-Essex (Dagenham) and Stevanage is closer to that part of the world than MK is. Hell if he lives further up like Chelmsford he's virtually driving through Stevanage to get to MK
Yes and I never said location was everything did I? Like you said its only about half an hours drive. I never suggested he wanted to walk to work.
All things considered he chose to sign for MK Dons. For reasons I think a reasonable person could understand. Would it have made him a better footballer in your eyes if he had signed for Stevenage instead?
You literally mentioned moving halfway across the country, I point out its not, then you said location isn't everything?! What's the message here?
The point is he's supposedly turned down two league 1 clubs to sign for a club he used to play for, in League 2. I think he's a dog shit footballer regardless of where he signs, but my point is he clearly doesn't have the drive in himself to better himself and push himself which means not only is he weak technically, he's also weak mentally. This doesn't add up to what you're saying about how he's a league 1 footballer
But how would signing for Stevenage drive himself to better himself? A year of driving himself is suddenly going to make him Steven Gerrard? Is it beyond the impossible that MK Dons actually offered him more money? Its not like he turned down Man City to play for Welling.
If he was 20 and turned down more money at MK Dons to sign for Carlisle, to better himself, I could see the argument.
At 27 he is probably at the position most "normal" people find themselves at 47, what's the point of taking a "better" job on similar money? When at 27 you could see the "development opportunity".
Seemingly obvious at this stage of his career he can only play for designated New Towns. With Charlton it was never going to work. Feed that into the Black Box you mugs.
I see his comments on returning to MK Dons ( I’ve got unfinished business). Pretty sure Bonne used the same quote on his return to Charlton. That went well.
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I predict this season’s will be Jack Payne. We’ll all be hearing the same twaddle about him as we try and justify his contribution
We very much still have players on our books that fit this.
Is he good enough for promotion from League 1? No, is he good enough to play on league 1? Yes. He was a starter in a bang average league 1 team, which suggests he is a bang average league 1 player.
A player seeking creature comforts isn't what we need, and not what you build success on
He isn't going to play in the Premier league. He isn't going to play for England. He isn't even going to go to Lyle Taylor's "big school". He will know that.
If you take the biggish 8 clubs out of league 1 your probably looking at the same(ish) money from mid table league 1 to most of league 2.
Would you move half way across the country for a slightly better job, that doesn't improve your future employment prospects, for slightly more money?
Or would you look for a job you like, live where you live and be happy for "enough" money?
All things considered he chose to sign for MK Dons. For reasons I think a reasonable person could understand. Would it have made him a better footballer in your eyes if he had signed for Stevenage instead?
The point is he's supposedly turned down two league 1 clubs to sign for a club he used to play for, in League 2. I think he's a dog shit footballer regardless of where he signs, but my point is he clearly doesn't have the drive in himself to better himself and push himself which means not only is he weak technically, he's also weak mentally. This doesn't add up to what you're saying about how he's a league 1 footballer
If he was 20 and turned down more money at MK Dons to sign for Carlisle, to better himself, I could see the argument.
At 27 he is probably at the position most "normal" people find themselves at 47, what's the point of taking a "better" job on similar money? When at 27 you could see the "development opportunity".
although, I'm a years time, I think it's likely that Stevenage will be back in l2 and Milton Keynes back in l1