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Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)
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Fitness, rustiness, are forgivable certainly.Swisdom said:
I'm a big fan of him however when he was subbed he went straight down the tunnel rather than stay and watch with his team mates - that's bad form in my opinion. Win together, lose together.carly burn said:Two glaring issues with Maddison in my book. Not both necessarily his fault , but issues all the same.
The first is the nature of his game. He seems to be most effective ( not for us yet I hasten to add) when he is allowed to roam free and find pockets of space in dangerous attacking areas and does his damage when he picks up the ball in those areas.
That requires a fair bit of 'carrying' from other members in especially midfield and up top to chase back and cover whilst he is on the wander. I think that's one of the reasons Bogle was removed early. But as a whole, the side last night was unable to do much of the leg work. Remember the rest of the midfield were having to do extra work to try and protect a poor central defence pairing.
Whilst the first issue is not wholly Maddison's fault the second is. When he did manage to find one of those pockets his movement and distribution was woeful. He lost the ball on far too many occasions and when he tried to beat a man there was nothing in the tank. I know he's been injured, but when you see pictures of empty pizza boxes and mention of cheat days, you know this fella is going to have to make some monumental changes to his attitude to be an effective asset for this current side.
Is he up to that? The jury's out for me.
Flouncing down the tunnel when you get subbed is the mark of a fuckwit narcissist.1 -
And exactly how do you know he 'flounced'?
I noticed their subs did the same, were they flouncing?2 -
Doesn’t work back and cover enough for me, really can’t see what people see in him.
Bowyers teams always work their socks off, he doesn’t seem to fit that Bill.0 -
We knew of his attitude when we signed him. He's a maverick player stuck in L1.StigThundercock said:
Fitness, rustiness, are forgivable certainly.Swisdom said:
I'm a big fan of him however when he was subbed he went straight down the tunnel rather than stay and watch with his team mates - that's bad form in my opinion. Win together, lose together.carly burn said:Two glaring issues with Maddison in my book. Not both necessarily his fault , but issues all the same.
The first is the nature of his game. He seems to be most effective ( not for us yet I hasten to add) when he is allowed to roam free and find pockets of space in dangerous attacking areas and does his damage when he picks up the ball in those areas.
That requires a fair bit of 'carrying' from other members in especially midfield and up top to chase back and cover whilst he is on the wander. I think that's one of the reasons Bogle was removed early. But as a whole, the side last night was unable to do much of the leg work. Remember the rest of the midfield were having to do extra work to try and protect a poor central defence pairing.
Whilst the first issue is not wholly Maddison's fault the second is. When he did manage to find one of those pockets his movement and distribution was woeful. He lost the ball on far too many occasions and when he tried to beat a man there was nothing in the tank. I know he's been injured, but when you see pictures of empty pizza boxes and mention of cheat days, you know this fella is going to have to make some monumental changes to his attitude to be an effective asset for this current side.
Is he up to that? The jury's out for me.
Flouncing down the tunnel when you get subbed is the mark of a fuckwit narcissist.1 -
He shook the player's hand replacing him. Walked straight, not across to dive into the tunnel. I feel narratives are being made up a bit!12
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He wasn't the only one miles off it last night playing alongside 3 midfielders that want to take the ball off the centre back leaves very little options ahead once you do have the ball.
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While I thought he was poor last night, in his defence a couple of his crosses into the box (where he cuts in from the right and puts them in with his left) would have been dangerous if we had a striker anticipating them and running on to the ball. Ivan Toney would have made that run, partially because he's a better player, but also because he and Maddison know each other's game
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mendonca said:He shook the player's hand replacing him. Walked straight, not across to dive into the tunnel. I feel narratives are being made up a bit!
He shook the players hand. Didn’t go to Bowyer, Who admittedly didn’t even glance at him, and looked at the bench but then turned and walked the other way past the Burton dugout. If the rest of the team were sat in the stand they would’ve been the other side of Bowyer so it certainly looks as though he went straight to the tunnelmendonca said:He shook the player's hand replacing him. Walked straight, not across to dive into the tunnel. I feel narratives are being made up a bit!0 -
It’s good to discuss MM’s progress and performances, but hanging our hats on him alone to get us out of this division is just plain wrong, we need more from MM, and we also need more from the rest of the team, whether that’s what we’ve currently got, or bringing in players in January.
Thomas isn’t going to want to hang around in this division, will be interesting to see what January brings.0 -
I don't think anybody is hanging their hats solely on MM.
However, we know he has the skills and ability - his record speaks volumes - and you can't blame fans for hoping he replicates those levels with us.
I'm still convinced he will.1 - Sponsored links:
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MM has ability but is he destined to be one of those players who doesn't fulfil his potential?Mendonca In Asdas said:It’s good to discuss MM’s progress and performances, but hanging our hats on him alone to get us out of this division is just plain wrong, we need more from MM, and we also need more from the rest of the team, whether that’s what we’ve currently got, or bringing in players in January.
Thomas isn’t going to want to hang around in this division, will be interesting to see what January brings.0 -
Can I check who's the whipping boy for the season, Maddison or Bogle?
As for going down the tunnel, might be better for social distancing reasons that he went straight to the changing rooms3 -
I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible1
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I'd love him to do well and to reach his potential.Pelling1993 said:I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible2 -
Yeah its fair enough, i'm not saying for a second he shouldn't come in for criticism, but some of the stuff he gets picked out for is laughable. He didn't play well yesterday but he at least tried to make things happenhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'd love him to do well and to reach his potential.Pelling1993 said:I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible0 -
He is for me the most gifted player in the side and undoubtedly will be a bit hit and miss given his style of play.Pelling1993 said:
Yeah its fair enough, i'm not saying for a second he shouldn't come in for criticism, but some of the stuff he gets picked out for is laughable. He didn't play well yesterday but he at least tried to make things happenhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'd love him to do well and to reach his potential.Pelling1993 said:I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible0 -
People don't want him to fail. They want him to perform his highlights reel of copious assists and bangers, but in each game. If he fails to recreate his highlights reel, then they will deem him a failure.0
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That's where many of Maddison's goals come from, as an inverted winger cutting inside and shooting with his preferred foot.Bedsaddick said:I don’t think he’s good as an inverted winger . As soon as he gets the ball , his first instinct is to get it onto his left foot and come inside and defenders know that . I’d much rather see him on the left wing putting crosses in with his left foot , which he can’t do on the right wing as he has no right foot.I definitely think he will come good but only if he’s used properly.
Now if he should be played as a winger on his natural left side, we might see more pinpoint crossing.
Right now we've seen neither. The guy is clearly not yet up to speed - and until then, perhaps should be used from the bench as an impact sub.
With 5 subs allowed, we have that luxury now.
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I've seen both from him in the two cup games prior to the breakOggy Red said:
That's where many of Maddison's goals come from, as an inverted winger cutting inside and shooting with his preferred foot.Bedsaddick said:I don’t think he’s good as an inverted winger . As soon as he gets the ball , his first instinct is to get it onto his left foot and come inside and defenders know that . I’d much rather see him on the left wing putting crosses in with his left foot , which he can’t do on the right wing as he has no right foot.I definitely think he will come good but only if he’s used properly.
Now if he should be played as a winger on his natural left side, we might see more pinpoint crossing.
Right now we've seen neither. The guy is clearly not yet up to speed - and until then, perhaps should be used from the bench as an impact sub.
With 5 subs allowed, we have that luxury now.0 -
Probably brought back everybody on the bench a cup of tea.Dazzler21 said:
Do we know he didn't return from the changing rooms? Maybe he went to get his coat to wrap up warm?ValleyGary said:
Wrap up warm and be pissed off at yourself in the stand with the rest of the players. Teams win promotions, not individuals.Dazzler21 said:
This.Bedsaddick said:I don’t think he’s good as an inverted winger . As soon as he gets the ball , his first instinct is to get it onto his left foot and come inside and defenders know that . I’d much rather see him on the left wing putting crosses in with his left foot , which he can’t do on the right wing as he has no right foot.I definitely think he will come good but only if he’s used properly.
Also I think he was pretty pissed off at himself when he went off. He's a good player and it must be frustrating when you can't do what normally comes easily.0 - Sponsored links:
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Likely to not sod around till midnight on transfer deadline day either.Mendonca In Asdas said:It’s good to discuss MM’s progress and performances, but hanging our hats on him alone to get us out of this division is just plain wrong, we need more from MM, and we also need more from the rest of the team, whether that’s what we’ve currently got, or bringing in players in January.
Thomas isn’t going to want to hang around in this division, will be interesting to see what January brings.0 -
Agree totally. I was really against signing him because of his attitude but think he is trying to improve both his on and off field performances. All the players that started the game on Tuesday were rubbish, why single him out?Pelling1993 said:I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible4 -
Anyone who's ever played at any competitive level, will know how difficult it is to play well yourself if too many others in the team are not performing.redbuttle said:
Agree totally. I was really against signing him because of his attitude but think he is trying to improve both his on and off field performances. All the players that started the game on Tuesday were rubbish do why single him out?Pelling1993 said:I'm convinced 90% of people want him to fail.... the other 10 players that started yesterday were also terrible
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Maddison our creative midfielder, was on for 58 minutes and only passed the ball 12 times and out of that only 5 was successful and 3 of them was backwards. Says it all
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No punches pulled by Bowyer in the press.2
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Whose he hit?Cafc43v3r said:No punches pulled by Bowyer in the press.0 -
He did swing over a couple of interesting crosses which were made to look bad by our strikers being so static6
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3am - MM out getting grub according to insta 🤣1
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His eyes look weird as well, there barely open not sure if he is tired or pissediamdan said:3am - MM out getting grub according to insta 🤣
Either way he wont be playing Wednesday once Bowyer reads him the riot act.
Doesn't look like he is gonna change his ways anytime soon either, bet someone like Pratley a proper professional is asleep by now
EDIT: just watched it again definitely looks more wasted than tired
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