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Ged Roddy MBE appointed as Technical Director - resigned (p26)

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Won't Roddy have overall responsibility for it, if he is the defacto "football CEO" what ever his actual job title is. 
    Technical Director... It's there in the title of the thread. 
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    J BLOCK said:
    Be surprised if Gallen is still here by the summer 

    Did TS not say last week that he would be the sole director? Maybe I misunderstood and there's a load of fish that don't know where they're going.
    Something you know or just a feeling? 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Won't Roddy have overall responsibility for it, if he is the defacto "football CEO" what ever his actual job title is. 
    Technical Director... It's there in the title of the thread. 
    What does that actually mean? 

    Is he in charge of technology?  The technical aspects of playing?  The technical side of medical? recruitment? coaching? and he isn't a director! 

    I would hazard a guess that he is actually Adkins, Gallen and Avery's boss.  What ever the organisation chart says. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,448
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
  • GreenWithEnvy
    GreenWithEnvy Posts: 1,843
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    straight from Thomas himself.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    IndGreenWithEnvy said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    straight from Thomas himself.
    Indeed
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,448
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited April 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    It's been said before that he was on Gallen's radar in the summer, before Sandgaard rocked up. That's good enough for me right now. 
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  • 995632
    995632 Posts: 319
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    TS is friends with the Brentford owner and has said he wants to copy their model of operation. The Brentford owner also owns FC Midtjylland in Denmark, Ronnie's old team. They would've scouted Ronnie and done the research etc. on him before their purchase (to get them over the line and win the league). In discussion with TS of "what do you need mate? How can we help?", Bowyer at that point would've said "we need someone who can finish" and Brentford bloke probably said "I have just the player for you at my other club." Midtjylland had two new expensive strikers who were playing so that's why Ronnie was not playing.

    The way TS has shown how he works, I don't think he just decided to chuck a load of money at a player because he happened to be Danish. It seems logical he would utilise his contacts and take the advice (and scouting data) of someone who has demonstrated previous success in this 'new arena' for him. Namely, the Brentford owner who has a team winning the league and playing in Europe and another moving closer to promotion to the top level in this country. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    J BLOCK said:
    Be surprised if Gallen is still here by the summer 
    Why?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    It's been said before that he was on Gallen's radar in the summer, before Sandgaard rocked up. That's good enough for me right now. 
    Not the case.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,448
    995632 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    TS is friends with the Brentford owner and has said he wants to copy their model of operation. The Brentford owner also owns FC Midtjylland in Denmark, Ronnie's old team. They would've scouted Ronnie and done the research etc. on him before their purchase (to get them over the line and win the league). In discussion with TS of "what do you need mate? How can we help?", Bowyer at that point would've said "we need someone who can finish" and Brentford bloke probably said "I have just the player for you at my other club." Midtjylland had two new expensive strikers who were playing so that's why Ronnie was not playing.

    The way TS has shown how he works, I don't think he just decided to chuck a load of money at a player because he happened to be Danish. It seems logical he would utilise his contacts and take the advice (and scouting data) of someone who has demonstrated previous success in this 'new arena' for him. Namely, the Brentford owner who has a team winning the league and playing in Europe and another moving closer to promotion to the top level in this country. 
    Taken advice from a man that was set to financially benefit from offloading Schwartz onto us? 

    I think Sandgaard should have been smarter than that. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    It's been said before that he was on Gallen's radar in the summer, before Sandgaard rocked up. That's good enough for me right now. 
    The thing is no one will ever tell 100% of the truth, in public, especially why everyone involved is still at the club.  I actually respected Bowyer for saying he signed Maddison, against advice, although I didn't believe him. 

    It could come out that Gallen told Bowyer or Robinson not to sign x y or z and they did, or told them to sign A B or C and they said no.  There are very, very, few transfers that are ever down to just one person's call.

    People suggesting a Powell style summer forget that almost all of the, successful, players he signed that summer he had either played with, or against, in recent seasons.   That was a massive advantage and certainly got us Morrison and Yann.

    If you believe Schwartz was on Gallen's radar AND believe he had never heard of Ellis Simms your forgetting the audience and motivation. 
  • 995632
    995632 Posts: 319
    995632 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    TS is friends with the Brentford owner and has said he wants to copy their model of operation. The Brentford owner also owns FC Midtjylland in Denmark, Ronnie's old team. They would've scouted Ronnie and done the research etc. on him before their purchase (to get them over the line and win the league). In discussion with TS of "what do you need mate? How can we help?", Bowyer at that point would've said "we need someone who can finish" and Brentford bloke probably said "I have just the player for you at my other club." Midtjylland had two new expensive strikers who were playing so that's why Ronnie was not playing.

    The way TS has shown how he works, I don't think he just decided to chuck a load of money at a player because he happened to be Danish. It seems logical he would utilise his contacts and take the advice (and scouting data) of someone who has demonstrated previous success in this 'new arena' for him. Namely, the Brentford owner who has a team winning the league and playing in Europe and another moving closer to promotion to the top level in this country. 
    Taken advice from a man that was set to financially benefit from offloading Schwartz onto us? 

    I think Sandgaard should have been smarter than that. 
    Don't think squeezing him under the wage cap would financially benefit him that much!!

    However, possibly utilising a much better and well funded scouting network would've been smart! 
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Still don't get the many gripes about GR. We all want the club to progress and he was brought in to do that job. There will be some unpopular decisions made during this process 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited April 2021
    I think looking up the job description of a technical director would be useful. Roddy's role seems to be getting blown all out of proportion.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Job descriptions mean nothing
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited April 2021
    cafc999 said:
    Job descriptions mean nothing
    It means more than people on forums making up what he does or doesn't do. We supposedly have the only technical director in English football who runs the whole show.

    Does Nicky Butt run Man Utd... Does Petr Cech run Chelsea... Does Michael Edwards run Liverpool... Or any TD, at any club, anywhere.
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  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Chunes said:
    cafc999 said:
    Job descriptions mean nothing
    It means more than people on forums making up what he does or doesn't do. We supposedly have the only technical director in English football who runs the whole show.

    Does Nicky Butt run Man Utd... Does Petr Cech run Chelsea... Does Michael Edwards run Liverpool... Or any TD, at any club, anywhere.
    GR has been given a job remit by TS and will be carrying out that task the same way Nicky Butt, Petr Cech and all the TD's do. Each club is different and run different. That remit may be to look at the general running of the club from top to bottom, equally it may not. Not all TD roles ware the same and comparing a L1 club to a prem club is wide of the mark
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    It's been said before that he was on Gallen's radar in the summer, before Sandgaard rocked up. That's good enough for me right now. 
    No I don't think he was on Gallen's radar. Thomas suggested him and I believe Gallen took a look and agreed to take the punt. Personally I'm fine with Sandgaard finding the odd player and suggesting them to Gallen/Adkins. As long as if either feel the player isn't the right fit then that is the end of it. I would have accepted if Roland had done that because no doubt we made some decent signings, but it was forcing them on the manager that was the issue, with the pressure to play on top. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,022
    edited April 2021
    Chunes said:
    cafc999 said:
    Job descriptions mean nothing
    It means more than people on forums making up what he does or doesn't do. We supposedly have the only technical director in English football who runs the whole show.

    Does Nicky Butt run Man Utd... Does Petr Cech run Chelsea... Does Michael Edwards run Liverpool... Or any TD, at any club, anywhere.
    I wouldn't say that it goes as far as Roddy running the whole show, but he's certainly going to have a lot more influence overall at a smaller club in league one than the names you've mentioned will have at global footballing giants.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    Yet Roddy isn't even on the board
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Yet Roddy isn't even on the board
    We don't have a board, in the traditional sense, though do we?  We have multiple people, including Roddy, with the title "director" who are not directors.

    There is also no one size fits all job discription for any role in football, with many roles interchangeable such as Chairman, CEO, owner some clubs have 1 person, some have 3, or more. 

    I don't think anyone expects fully detailed job descriptions, reporting lines and organisation charts published but without them there will always be speculation, rumour and innuendo as who holds the power.  Even with them it's unlikely, however unconsciously, that all opinions/advice carry the same weight. 

  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited April 2021
    Chunes said:
    I think looking up the job description of a technical director would be useful. Roddy's role seems to be getting blown all out of proportion.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=job+description+of+football+technical+director&sxsrf=ALeKk027QzMZPclaYBItnVw0-YZllxpLdA:1618522415859&ei=L7F4YLGGNOHUxgOq9oqICA&oq=job+description+of+a+technical+director+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYBTIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BwguEEMQkwI6AggAOgQIABBDOgcILhAnEJMCOgUILhCxAzoCCC46CgguEOoCECcQkwI6BwgjEOoCECc6BwguEOoCECdQi-rjE1iR-uMTYKyt5BNoAXAAeAGAAeIBiAGQBpIBBTAuNC4xmAEAoAEBsAEPwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

    That tells you everything you want to know.  The role can mean what ever you want it to mean.

    The FA's take is

    The role of a technical director is dynamic and multi-dimensional with the ultimate aim of continued success through the creation of a high performance culture supported by an aligned vision and strategy.

     
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Dazzler21 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Recruitment is now a four person team.

    SG, GR, NA and TS
    Hmm....
    In the "glory days" wasn't it Curbs, Peacock and Murray?    The Powell summer was him, Chappel and Varny.  The problem with Roland was he sub contracted the job to someone who thought they knew more than the professionals.

    Of course a non football person has to sign off the expenses, or veto them.  Quite frankly it would be bonkers if it was any other way. 
    Agreed but that should be his only job. 

    Signings like Schwartz shows that maybe he's having a little bit too much say in things. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but I doubt Gallen is someone that had Schwartz on his radar before Thomas brought his name up. 
    It's been said before that he was on Gallen's radar in the summer, before Sandgaard rocked up. That's good enough for me right now. 
    No I don't think he was on Gallen's radar. Thomas suggested him and I believe Gallen took a look and agreed to take the punt. Personally I'm fine with Sandgaard finding the odd player and suggesting them to Gallen/Adkins. As long as if either feel the player isn't the right fit then that is the end of it. I would have accepted if Roland had done that because no doubt we made some decent signings, but it was forcing them on the manager that was the issue, with the pressure to play on top. 
    Fair play I misunderstood. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    I think and may be wrong, that Roddy is being used to improve the club infrastructure in order to work towards CAT1 Academy. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Dazzler21 said:
    I think and may be wrong, that Roddy is being used to improve the club infrastructure in order to work towards CAT1 Academy. 
    That's certainly something I seem to remember being mentioned, as well as working on ways to improve the success rate of the academy graduates etc, such as trying to make sure the style/culture is consistent with all the ages and the first team too.
  • Pico
    Pico Posts: 1,029
    This is what Steve Avory said last week about Ged Roddy at the CAST Q&A:

    Could you explain the role of Ged Roddy, and how his work fits in with yours and Nigel Adkins’?

    Steve: “We hear about this job title of Technical Director and a lot of people might have thought that Ged would be focusing exclusively on the academy but he’s been tasked by Thomas with taking the club forward under the ‘one club’ model. The dialogue I’ve had with him thus far, and his interest in the youth academy, has been really positive. Ged has a responsibility that covers the first team, the academy and the women’s team, and it’s taking all departments of the club forward in structure, strategy, organisation and resource – sports science and medicine, recruitment and education. If we can achieve a “seamless alignment” all the way through the club it would be a real positive, the first steps are taking shape ”