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European Super League - clubs withdrawing p42 onwards.

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    Give me Grimsby vs Harrogate over the boring dross that is Arsenal vs Atletico Madrid. I can't wait for this to turn to sh*t quickly. 
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    They just had a bit on sky sports news quoting the premier league rules that clubs are forbidden from entering their teams to other competitions other than the premier league and domestic / uefa competitions. Only way this can work is it they properly leave and create their own European MLS type competition separate from the rest of the footballing world, which may be their intention I'm not sure.

    Either way you can bet Sky and BT will be there with a sack of cash begging to show the games.
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    I don't think their intention was to withdraw from Premier League football totally. Just add another league. They may have got a shock from the reaction. I agree with Neville, deduct 30 or 40 points from them now. Work with governments to prevent any legal appeals. Then total expulsion unless they sign away the right to ever form a league outside of UEFA/FIFA.    
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    Jac_52 said:
    They just had a bit on sky sports news quoting the premier league rules that clubs are forbidden from entering their teams to other competitions other than the premier league and domestic / uefa competitions. Only way this can work is it they properly leave and create their own European MLS type competition separate from the rest of the footballing world, which may be their intention I'm not sure.

    Either way you can bet Sky and BT will be there with a sack of cash begging to show the games.

    I would happily just watch the championship and league one games with the sports package I have. The Premier League is forced on you to a degree. If Sky and BT forced me to have super league games & increased the cost then I would cancel or not pay the additional costs of the luxury of having the Super League. I would not pay any money to Amazon for the privilege. After Leicester / Southampton game, the commentators were dead set against it and same with Gary Neville on Sky - doubt the BT & Sky would have supported them being so vociferous if they were keen on the Super League proposal.

    IMO, I think the top British clubs are partially using this as a negotiation tactic to reduce the league in size, increase voting power and strenghten their position even more. Also that the owners though have seriously misjudged the opposition and potential popularlity of the Super League.
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    And what if the Super League fails to ignite as a 12 club competition with the same teams playing each other over and over? These clubs will have nowhere to go. 
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    It shouldn't be enough for these clubs to back down. They should now have to make it clear they will not revisit this in the future. Without that, they should be expelled.
    Exactly this, if they just back out now and say it was never our plan it'll just come up again whenever they have the opportunity. Get to the bottom of this and fine and punish those involved, zero tolerance and make a point that this will never be allowed and never be tolerated to even have discussions about.
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    I don't think their intention was to withdraw from Premier League football totally. Just add another league. They may have got a shock from the reaction. I agree with Neville, deduct 30 or 40 points from them now. Work with governments to prevent any legal appeals. Then total expulsion unless they sign away the right to ever form a league outside of UEFA/FIFA.    
    Deduct 30 or 40 points for what? Nothing official has even been announced.

    Imagine we were all sentenced on dreams, thoughts or conversations we'd had. There whole nation would be in prison.
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    It's official.
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    Kick them out. 
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    Kick them out. 
    Well quite. But would British and European regulators have the bollocks to do it?
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    I don't particularly care if they all fuck off. Arsenal's local derby would be Ajax....wow.

    Besides which if it were more than 20 clubs that would be a disgrace considering the Premiershit was reduced to 20 to allow the tedious European Champions League. The one that can be won by not even being a champion. 

    Anyway Boris will block it as we have left Europe 😂😂
    Arsenal's local derby would still be Spurs.
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    Leading European football clubs announce new Super League competition

    Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.

    AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as Founding Clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

    Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.

    The formation of the Super League comes at a time when the global pandemic has accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model. Further, for a number of years, the Founding Clubs have had the objective of improving the quality and intensity of existing European competitions throughout each season, and of creating a format for top clubs and players to compete on a regular basis.

    The pandemic has shown that a strategic vision and a sustainable commercial approach are required to enhance value and support for the benefit of the entire European football pyramid. 

    In recent months extensive dialogue has taken place with football stakeholders regarding the future format of European competitions. The Founding Clubs believe the solutions proposed following these talks do not solve fundamental issues, including the need to provide higher- quality matches and additional financial resources for the overall football pyramid.

    Competition format

    • 20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.
    • Midweek fixtures with all participating clubs continuing to compete in their respective national leagues, preserving the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game.
    • An August start with clubs participating in two groups of ten, playing home and away fixtures, with the top three in each group automatically qualifying for the quarter finals. Teams finishing fourth and fifth will then compete in a two-legged play-off for the remaining quarter-final positions. A two-leg knockout format will be used to reach the final at the end of May, which will be staged as a single fixture at a neutral venue.

    As soon as practicable after the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.

    The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. 

    These solidarity payments will be substantially higher than those generated by the current European competition and are expected to be in excess of €10 billion during the course of the initial commitment period of the Clubs. 

    In addition, the competition will be built on a sustainable financial foundation with all Founding Clubs signing up to a spending framework. In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.

    Florentino Perez, Real Madrid president and the first chairman of the Super League said: “We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.”

    Backing the new European league, Andrea Agnelli, chairman of Juventus and vice-chairman of the Super League said: "“Our 12 Founder clubs represent billions of fans across the globe and 99 European trophies. We have come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future, substantially increasing solidarity, and giving fans and amateur players a regular flow of headline fixtures that will feed their passion for the game while providing them with engaging role models.”

    Joel Glazer, co-chairman of Manchester United and vice-chairman of the Super League said: "“By bringing together the world’s greatest clubs and players to play each other throughout the season, the Super League will open a new chapter for European football, ensuring world- class competition and facilities, and increased financial support for the wider football pyramid.”

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    We can pretend to be pleased but this would utterly ruin football for me.

    You want to play the best. You aim to get back to the Prem for those kinds of games.

    I want to see Charlton playing the likes of City/United etc. Otherwise, what’s the point?

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    Why not ( and I know this would be pretty radical and unheard of) FIFA and UEFA act with a shred of integrity on the matter.

    If they follow through with the threat of booting them and the players, this gets killed dead. If this was those clubs only revenue stream for a few years they would start to crumble. Not straight away from immediate finance, but players couldn't risk being squad members/ in academies off these clubs. No recognition means no loans and associated fees, Chelsea and city could no longer Hoover up any youth who has a glint in his eye.

    I mean really just tell the clubs ok, fuck off and let us know when you're done. 3 years it really would be dead, or comprising brand new franchises set up a cross Europe rather than clubs, Ultimately loosing the tangibility and further erroding any interest in actually consuming this bullshit.

    Im sure the super League would just offer to pay a sanctioning fee and all will be forgotten.
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    It is a chance to reclaim the game. Give PSG the Champons league, Leicester the FA Cup and let Leicester and West Ham fight it out for the title. Promote 6 teams from the Championship and 6 from League One etc... No need for play offs.

    All clubs competing in the domestic leagues must commit not to breakaway within the next 100 years. 
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    So JFDI.

    Oh wait it would cost too much in a legal battle, banning city, so they will just bend over for a modest back hander.
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    Why not ( and I know this would be pretty radical and unheard of) FIFA and UEFA act with a shred of integrity on the matter.

    If they follow through with the threat of booting them and the players, this gets killed dead. If this was those clubs only revenue stream for a few years they would start to crumble. Not straight away from immediate finance, but players couldn't risk being squad members/ in academies off these clubs. No recognition means no loans and associated fees, Chelsea and city could no longer Hoover up any youth who has a glint in his eye.

    I mean really just tell the clubs ok, fuck off and let us know when you're done. 3 years it really would be dead, or comprising brand new franchises set up a cross Europe rather than clubs, Ultimately loosing the tangibility and further erroding any interest in actually consuming this bullshit.

    Im sure the super League would just offer to pay a sanctioning fee and all will be forgotten.
    They will get over 3 billion each but ultimately football can stand up against them. It is sad as most of their fans will be against this. We ought to invite Arsenal fans to come and support us. I know a lot followed our play off games in 2019.
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    Could be banned? Should and will be banned more like.
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    Wow. This is going to get messy
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    Why not ( and I know this would be pretty radical and unheard of) FIFA and UEFA act with a shred of integrity on the matter.

    If they follow through with the threat of booting them and the players, this gets killed dead. If this was those clubs only revenue stream for a few years they would start to crumble. Not straight away from immediate finance, but players couldn't risk being squad members/ in academies off these clubs. No recognition means no loans and associated fees, Chelsea and city could no longer Hoover up any youth who has a glint in his eye.

    I mean really just tell the clubs ok, fuck off and let us know when you're done. 3 years it really would be dead, or comprising brand new franchises set up a cross Europe rather than clubs, Ultimately loosing the tangibility and further erroding any interest in actually consuming this bullshit.

    Im sure the super League would just offer to pay a sanctioning fee and all will be forgotten.
    They will get over 3 billion each but ultimately football can stand up against them. It is sad as most of their fans will be against this. We ought to invite Arsenal fans to come and support us. I know a lot followed our play off games in 2019.
    Pretty sure the plug would be pulled on 3billion of it can't generate the required 100 billion to fund it.
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