One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This needs to happen now.
I'm looking for a price on the treble - Leicester to win the league and FA Cup, and PSG to win the CL.
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This needs to happen now.
I'm looking for a price on the treble - Leicester to win the league and FA Cup, and PSG to win the CL.
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This needs to happen now.
I'm looking for a price on the treble - Leicester to win the league and FA Cup, and PSG to win the CL.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
I really hope this shifts to us adopting the 50+1 model they have in Germany.
That won't happen - unfortunately.
Why do you think so Bob? Ship already sailed and too hard to claw back from a legal perspective?
From a commercial and legal perspective. The few clubs that make money will resist any compulsory purchase of equity (legal) and the clubs lower down that invariably lose money would need to rely on fans stumping up money to cover losses (commercial).
If we could wipe the slate clean and start again then the German model would be fantastic - although I'm not sure how they have arrived at the 51% fan owned unless it was always thus.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
Yeah I think even if this doesn't go through in the way it is being proposed, the fact that they have gone this far is not a good omen for the future. Unless something big happens to stop this, e.g legislature then it'll eventually happen exactly how they want it
Whilst being totally against this venture I do find the reaction of the Premier League and UEFA quite hypocritical.
Under the guise of ‘fair play’ these bodies, through the apportionment of considerable TV money, have created massive gaps between clubs over the last 20 to 30 years and have happily let it happen.
Every time we pay our monthly Sky Subsciption we are all also very culpable.
Thank god at last, someone else says the naked truth.
If you are against 'greed' in football, stop paying to watch it on TV.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
By success for all, you mean they will make lots of money
I really hope this shifts to us adopting the 50+1 model they have in Germany.
That won't happen - unfortunately.
Why do you think so Bob? Ship already sailed and too hard to claw back from a legal perspective?
From a commercial and legal perspective. The few clubs that make money will resist any compulsory purchase of equity (legal) and the clubs lower down that invariably lose money would need to rely on fans stumping up money to cover losses (commercial).
If we could wipe the slate clean and start again then the German model would be fantastic - although I'm not sure how they have arrived at the 51% fan owned unless it was always thus.
It's all well and good these US owners wanting to adopt a closed shop model as per US sports but all those sports (as far as i'm aware) have salary caps and budget limits.
What happens when these clubs (and they inevitably will) spend over and above all of the additional income they're going to get from the ESL? There's nowhere else to go financially from there.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
Not if steps I suggest are taken. I would actually go further. The five clubs that they deign to drop some crumbs for are either not allowed back in their domestic league, or made to start again at the lowest professional level.
12 year olds parents have to stand solid as well and refuse to pander to the little glory hunting horrors...
It's all well and good these US owners wanting to adopt a closed shop model as per US sports but all those sports (as far as i'm aware) have salary caps and budget limits.
What happens when these clubs (and they inevitably will) spend over and above all of the additional income they're going to get from the ESL? There's nowhere else to go financially from there.
Whilst being totally against this venture I do find the reaction of the Premier League and UEFA quite hypocritical.
Under the guise of ‘fair play’ these bodies, through the apportionment of considerable TV money, have created massive gaps between clubs over the last 20 to 30 years and have happily let it happen.
Every time we pay our monthly Sky Subsciption we are all also very culpable.
Speak for yourself.
He's speaking for all subscribers to these channels. It's just that some don't think about it.
Please explain how you think these clubs get their money if it isn't from TV subscription services. They also get commercial revenue and sponsorship but all of this depends on matches being broadcast to a large audience.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
By success for all, you mean they will make lots of money
Making lots of money is the only reason anyone does anything in football ownership. This is not a community sport anymore, it’s a citadel for corruption and greed.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
Yeah I think even if this doesn't go through in the way it is being proposed, the fact that they have gone this far is not a good omen for the future. Unless something big happens to stop this, e.g legislature then it'll eventually happen exactly how they want it
It simply has to happen, unless there’s a seismic shift in the way our culture relates to consumerism or realigns our values towards community’s rather than corporate greed - it’s too good a deal to turn down.
Fully expect UEFA, FIFA and the domestic leagues to bottle it and allow them to do what they want. They can’t afford to lose those teams.
When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
Once people earn a certain amount, is money really such a driver?
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
I always think that too but we havent lived the life of someone on 200k pw. Just like you I think why would I need to go and play somewhere else for 400k pw when I'm happy playing here for 200k pw.
I guess we will never know but I think players will look at that as doubling their money and giving even more security to more generations to come through the family.
But then moving clubs and uprooting your family may cause them unhappiness, ditto leaving the wife and kids behind and living in another country by yourself
Yea I completely agree. I wonder how many of these players love playing for their country if they are told you can play in the super league for xxx amount per week but not for your country.
Arsenal are using a legacy leg up, because when they first entered the top division it wasn’t based on sporting achievement then either.
They got voted in having finished 5th. Par for the course.
I was trying to explain this to a friend of my son's yesterday before I even heard of these new proposals. He was wearing an Arsenal shirt, Man City shorts and a Barcelona tracksuit top.
Arsenal are using a legacy leg up, because when they first entered the top division it wasn’t based on sporting achievement then either.
They got voted in having finished 5th. Par for the course.
I was trying to explain this to a friend of my son's yesterday before I even heard of these new proposals. He was wearing an Arsenal shirt, Man City shorts and a Barcelona tracksuit top.
This will be a resounding success for those involved. The market in the east means clubs no longer need the Premier League, if anything, the Premier League is a stumbling block on the road to a financial utopia. They control the rules, revenue and ultimately football.
In 50 years time younger generations won’t understand what all the fuss was about. You can see it now, 12 year olds saying Messi was overrated because he never did it in the Super League.
Seriously concerning for the rest of the football pyramid. Owners now have clubs with massive losses and now a glass ceiling on where they can go.
Not if steps I suggest are taken. I would actually go further. The five clubs that they deign to drop some crumbs for are either not allowed back in their domestic league, or made to start again at the lowest professional level.
12 year olds parents have to stand solid as well and refuse to pander to the little glory hunting horrors...
It’s a nice idea but it won’t happen unfortunately. The Premier League is just as corrupt and greedy as the rest of them, they can’t afford to lose the teams and replace them with the likes of Barnsley and Brentford.
I imagine there will be a last minute compromise and this will replace the Champions League.
Can't disagree with his words, but he plays for PSG who've opted not to take part, most likely only because of their Qatari owners not wanting to rock the boat ahead of the Qatar world cup. I've no doubt once that world cup is over PSG will be signing up.
It'll mean a lot more when top players at the 12 clubs come out against the ESL.
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If we could wipe the slate clean and start again then the German model would be fantastic - although I'm not sure how they have arrived at the 51% fan owned unless it was always thus.
Unless something big happens to stop this, e.g legislature then it'll eventually happen exactly how they want it
If you are against 'greed' in football, stop paying to watch it on TV.
What happens when these clubs (and they inevitably will) spend over and above all of the additional income they're going to get from the ESL? There's nowhere else to go financially from there.
12 year olds parents have to stand solid as well and refuse to pander to the little glory hunting horrors...
Please explain how you think these clubs get their money if it isn't from TV subscription services. They also get commercial revenue and sponsorship but all of this depends on matches being broadcast to a large audience.
Asking for a friend.
It'll mean a lot more when top players at the 12 clubs come out against the ESL.