When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
On the bright side, if the premier league kicks out the six clubs in response to this, we actually might be auto promoted this year. I am kidding - sort of.
this is the football equivalent of the hundred, isnt it? no doubt they'll be scheduled games in the USA and china. Doomed to fail imo.
The Hundred is a governing body driven competition supported by the Counties.
I also find the Premier League comparison a bit flaky
If you call having a gun pointed at your head and being told “take this wad of cash or you’ll go out of existence” as “supported” then yes. It’s an ecb cash grab that’s throwing millions upon millions into a cricket competition designed for people who don’t like cricket... go figure.
When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
Once people earn a certain amount, is money really such a driver?
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
Once people earn a certain amount, is money really such a driver?
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
By and large the answer is normally yes people will always have more money of you offer them it. The owners of these clubs are hardly on skid Row themselves.
Something I read somewhere suggested that the Home Office could instruct the police not to attend these games. That would mean for a clash between the English clubs it would be hard to see how the home team could get a safety certificate from the local authority allowing the game to go ahead.
That's the sort of stuff that should be put in the way of this circus.
When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
Once people earn a certain amount, is money really such a driver?
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
I always think that too but we havent lived the life of someone on 200k pw. Just like you I think why would I need to go and play somewhere else for 400k pw when I'm happy playing here for 200k pw.
I guess we will never know but I think players will look at that as doubling their money and giving even more security to more generations to come through the family.
Blimey latest update on Sky News has just dropped a couple of bombshells. Sky speaking to an anonymous board member of one of the big 6, has said, not all board members are in agreement with this across all 6 clubs. The same board member said owners have admitted it's all about the revenue and is paramount to them. Not worried about "for the good of football, that is secondary to making money". Midweek games more important than weekend games in PL, hope footballers are banned from playing for their country, they want less football not more. Also hopes they get kicked out of PL as it's better for the ESL. More information to come later.
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
Blimey latest update on Sky News has just dropped a couple of bombshells. Sky speaking to an anonymous board member of one of the big 6, has said, not all board members are in agreement with this across all 6 clubs. The same board member said owners have admitted it's all about the revenue and is paramount to them. Not worried about "for the good of football, that is secondary to making money". Midweek games more important than weekend games in PL, hope footballers are banned from playing for their country, they want less football not more. Also hopes they get kicked out of PL as it's better for the ESL. More information to come later.
I think we all know this anyway.
Interestingly saw something that said Chelsea and City weren't that interested in the ESL at first (as their owners don't need the money) but only went along with it late on for fear of being left behind. So i can quite believe that not everyone within those 6 clubs is for this.
If the Champions League continues and "lesser teams" win it, in the way that the likes of Forest, PSV, Red Star Belgrade and Celtic won the old European Cup, it might actually create a more interesting competition, rather than the closed shop of a Super League which could easily become monotonous
Imagine a team like Leicester or Villa reaching the CL final, that would be far more of a story than Man U being in another Super League final.
I'll be continuing to watch whatever's on terrestrial TV and waiting for the rest of football fans to refuse to pay with me.
If people refuse to pay Sky and all the rest then none of this shit happens. People call it greedy but greed isn't the cause - it's the gullibility of the public that's the cause.
The funny thing is that since ITV stopped their Champions League highlights, my interest has continually declined to the point where I don't even check out the results until the quarter finals.
Players should only be allowed to register with one football association and that should be the one the Club belongs to and enforced by banning players swapping unless they leave.
This would starve these clubs from the opportunity of loaning players out to other teams. The academies would be starved of young players wanting to go to Clubs with no line of sight for progressions.
As fans we should stop watching games when these teams are playing. Got to start somewhere.
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This needs to happen now.
I'm looking for a price on the treble - Leicester to win the league and FA Cup, and PSG to win the CL.
When issue I haven't seen talked out much is how this will change the transfer market between the clubs involved. In the scheme of things there isn't much activity between them, it is more common in Italy though.
But when you have a player like Haaland you end up with a bidding way between 3 or 4 of them. It might not increase the fee Dortmund get but it drives the wages and agents slice up through the roof because they are all scared the other one will get him.
If the "prize money" is guaranteed there isn't that arms race is there? They could even buy him from Dortmund and "give" him to the team, out of the 12, that finishes lowest.
Assuming he wants to go there. If the ban from players playing for their national teams is enforced, he might see that as a deal breaker.
Only using him as an example but he is never going to win the world cup, even if a ban was enforced it won't last long anyway, and he isn't going to be able earn anything comparable if he doesn't go there.
It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
Once people earn a certain amount, is money really such a driver?
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
I always think that too but we havent lived the life of someone on 200k pw. Just like you I think why would I need to go and play somewhere else for 400k pw when I'm happy playing here for 200k pw.
I guess we will never know but I think players will look at that as doubling their money and giving even more security to more generations to come through the family.
But then moving clubs and uprooting your family may cause them unhappiness, ditto leaving the wife and kids behind and living in another country by yourself
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This is exactly what should happen. What's happened already is enough to justify the punishment.
Thomas has been quiet through all of this. I think he needs to come out and say Charlton have no interest in being part of this Super League.
Of all the things in life to worry about, TS considering his options for good old Charlton joining the European "Super" League probably isn't one of them!
One of the chairman of 14 other clubs in PL are asking for the big 6 to be kicked out now, cancel this weekends Cup Final, no more games in PL for these 6.
This is exactly what should happen. What's happened already is enough to justify the punishment.
Late to the party so I am posting without reading - here's my take for what it's worth. I am sure everything I think has been covered by others.
I think the
same as I thought when the Premier League was formed back in the early
nineties. They should be allowed to go off and do what they want.
But, as has
been suggested, they no longer participate in any other competition – no domestic
league, no domestic cup and certainly no other intercontinental competition - and
the players are not eligible for international selection. Cut them off
completely. I know that this would hit England harder than others as things
stand, but as a big England fan, it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make. As far
as I can see the majority of fans of these clubs are against it, though my
sphere of friendship is limited to adults and mostly sensible people – I do
realise there will be some who have been brought up looking at football in a
very different way, who may be all for it.
It is
interesting that when you look at their proposal, they talk about 15 clubs, but
there are only 12 involved so far, I understand that Bayern Munich have been
approached but are not interested? I assume that PSG are one of the others, and
I am guessing possibly Dortmund or Benfica may be the other one? The format is
a bit baffling with the idea of five other clubs “qualifying” each season.
Where from? Based on what criteria? Who gets replaced each year – presumably the
five that qualified the previous year, regardless of where they finish? So, you
could see the four semi-finalists getting kicked out the following season if
they are not among the fifteen founders? It is ridiculous beyond belief.
A few things
need to happen to make the clubs think again. One thing that may be hard to
achieve in England, but is certainly possible elsewhere, is solidarity. Every fan
of the greedy six who is against it has to stand 100% firm, as does every England,
Spain and Italy fan. You tell your club you will no longer support them in any
way shape or form if they join. Fans should be encouraged to go and support
their local non-league club instead (imagine the boost for grass roots football
if just 25% of those that claim to support those six clubs went to see their local
team just half a dozen times a season). Though I am sure they will be launching
their own TV station to squeeze every last penny out of the fans, the other
stations should have no coverage. It might be a bit more difficult for state or
part state owned stations, but commercial and satellite companies can. Boycott
pubs showing it, and I know it sounds a bit daft, but on a personal level, refuse
to talk football with anyone who supports it. UEFA and FIFA have to brave it
out too.
Why would the PL cut anyone off? Surely if you are the Premier League you don’t want to rock the boat too much, as things stand your competition isn’t directly impacted (aside from who is selected for European qualification).
Because this is initially being marketed as a tournament league to rival the Champions' League, but they obviously full intend to evolve it to become the primary league for these founding clubs so that it becomes a US-style association to replace domestic leagues, because that solves the risk element and guarantees a payoff for participating clubs. The bankers think they are in charge.
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It's amazing what people will do for a million quid a week.
if they aren't signed by the end of June, you will not be playing football in England next season
£200k a week equates to around £10m pa before tax. And that's before commercial endorsements etc
At that level of income, I'd be thinking about personal (and family) happiness, winning trophies, "reputational legacy" etc as much as another £10m, success with your country being an important part of that. And doing the "right thing" too, thinking about the likes of Marcus Rashford with his campaigning last year.
That's the sort of stuff that should be put in the way of this circus.
I guess we will never know but I think players will look at that as doubling their money and giving even more security to more generations to come through the family.
Midweek games more important than weekend games in PL, hope footballers are banned from playing for their country, they want less football not more. Also hopes they get kicked out of PL as it's better for the ESL.
More information to come later.
This needs to happen now.
Interestingly saw something that said Chelsea and City weren't that interested in the ESL at first (as their owners don't need the money) but only went along with it late on for fear of being left behind. So i can quite believe that not everyone within those 6 clubs is for this.
If people refuse to pay Sky and all the rest then none of this shit happens. People call it greedy but greed isn't the cause - it's the gullibility of the public that's the cause.
The funny thing is that since ITV stopped their Champions League highlights, my interest has continually declined to the point where I don't even check out the results until the quarter finals.
As fans we should stop watching games when these teams are playing. Got to start somewhere.
Yep, and at the same time put out a statement saying we have no interest in partaking in Elon Musk's space project.
I think the same as I thought when the Premier League was formed back in the early nineties. They should be allowed to go off and do what they want.
But, as has been suggested, they no longer participate in any other competition – no domestic league, no domestic cup and certainly no other intercontinental competition - and the players are not eligible for international selection. Cut them off completely. I know that this would hit England harder than others as things stand, but as a big England fan, it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make. As far as I can see the majority of fans of these clubs are against it, though my sphere of friendship is limited to adults and mostly sensible people – I do realise there will be some who have been brought up looking at football in a very different way, who may be all for it.
It is interesting that when you look at their proposal, they talk about 15 clubs, but there are only 12 involved so far, I understand that Bayern Munich have been approached but are not interested? I assume that PSG are one of the others, and I am guessing possibly Dortmund or Benfica may be the other one? The format is a bit baffling with the idea of five other clubs “qualifying” each season. Where from? Based on what criteria? Who gets replaced each year – presumably the five that qualified the previous year, regardless of where they finish? So, you could see the four semi-finalists getting kicked out the following season if they are not among the fifteen founders? It is ridiculous beyond belief.
A few things need to happen to make the clubs think again. One thing that may be hard to achieve in England, but is certainly possible elsewhere, is solidarity. Every fan of the greedy six who is against it has to stand 100% firm, as does every England, Spain and Italy fan. You tell your club you will no longer support them in any way shape or form if they join. Fans should be encouraged to go and support their local non-league club instead (imagine the boost for grass roots football if just 25% of those that claim to support those six clubs went to see their local team just half a dozen times a season). Though I am sure they will be launching their own TV station to squeeze every last penny out of the fans, the other stations should have no coverage. It might be a bit more difficult for state or part state owned stations, but commercial and satellite companies can. Boycott pubs showing it, and I know it sounds a bit daft, but on a personal level, refuse to talk football with anyone who supports it. UEFA and FIFA have to brave it out too.