Isn't it a logical conclusion that if Roddy/Sandgaard felt the injury problems were just down to a lack of investment in equipment extra physios etc., they wouldn't have fired the head of medical
What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?
It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it.
Really don't get this. Throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from.
If Thomas Sandgaard, who has a strong background in Medical Services, believes he may be able to bring in someone to do a better job than Mr Thrush, who are we to doubt him. This decision won't have been taken lightly. It is Sandgaard's club to run as he believes is right and this appears to be the choice arrived at.
I do agree that the behaviour on Social Media is equally weird, celebrating it.
I'm not throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from? I'm stating that it's wrong to scapegoat one man for an issue that's out of his control. As I've already said, we have injury prone players that are overplayed as well as a medical department that is overworked and under-resourced, so it's unfortunate that it's had to come to this.
As Sage has brilliantly put, this is a multifaceted issue that has been going on for a while.
I wouldn't care if Sandgaard sacked the entire medical team and replaced it with a new one, he's saved us from oblivion and he can make whatever changes he sees fit.
On your point on Sandgaard owning a company that makes pain management devices, that doesn't mean he has any great insight into sports medicine - just like the CEO of Greggs doesn't have to know how to make sausage rolls.
I understand people might feel the need to double down on their defense of the medical department, but the news does speak very plainly: the head of the medical department has just been fired.
I see Alfie Spanner had his operation in Princess Grace Hospital - I cannot remember any of our players being treated there previously.
This is part of HCA Healthcare (Hospital Corporation of America) and along with the new hi tech Zynex medical equipment sent to the Club a couple of weeks ago indicates a change in direction of the medical services being provided for the players.
I can only see this as a positive, though am obviously sorry that it's cost someone their job.
Isn't it a logical conclusion that if Roddy/Sandgaard felt the injury problems were just down to a lack of investment in equipment extra physios etc., they wouldn't have fired the head of medical
No. The reasons of lack of investment, equipment etc that I have noted is a factor that has not helped the overall performance of not just the medical team, but the team on the pitch too. Roland, for example, unfortunately did not see the link in causation.
Ultimately, it’s a business and the way the club is wanting to go, someone takes responsibility. Because of his role, that will fall onto him.
I am not saying there’s no one better. I’m not saying he’s irreplaceable. Not at all. If we can get someone in who is better, more qualified, with fresh and exciting ideas, do it. 100%.
I was providing balance and an insight with the reasons and what they’ve had to work with for however long. He’s not blameless, but he’s also not solely responsible.
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?
It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it.
Really don't get this. Throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from.
If Thomas Sandgaard, who has a strong background in Medical Services, believes he may be able to bring in someone to do a better job than Mr Thrush, who are we to doubt him. This decision won't have been taken lightly. It is Sandgaard's club to run as he believes is right and this appears to be the choice arrived at.
I do agree that the behaviour on Social Media is equally weird, celebrating it.
After years of chasing the dream of Charltonlife admin, @Dazzler21 targets a new position in the medical profession. 😉
Injuries occurring would surely be more down to things like training regime. Medical Services is more recovery time than people getting injured in the first place.
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
As others have said, there have likely been many contributing factors to the various injury problems we have had. Hard to know which single one is the biggest cause. I suspect it's probably not Alistair Thrush who is the main reason, but it's probably reasonable for the new ownership to want to try something new and this is one way of doing it. Hard on AT, especially at a time like this, but I'm sure he'll find other opportunities in the game.
One thing I would say is we can just generally expect to see a lot of injuries this year - the fixture schedule is unreasonably busy, although getting out of the cups early will help us a little bit, but the regular international breaks may not. It may be tough to judge this season whether this change has a positive effect or not because we are not playing an average season.
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.
Both Klopp and Pep have been complaining about increased injuries this season.
Pep suggested muscle injuries are up 49% this season.
Liverpool have lost Van Dyke, Trent- Arnold and now Gomez.
Do they and Man Ci poty have a lack of resources or a poor medical team?
But if we have 10% fewer injuries this season then that is a huge benefit just as will be if we can make a 5 or 10% improvement in every area from corners to commercial income.
If that means Thrush going then sadly for him personally so be it but as @sage sagely says there are multiple factors in why players get injured and how long it takes them to recover.
One is the injury record of players before they arrived. Often we've been forced, due to budgets, to risk taking on injury prone players like Williams who still rarely completes a full 90 minutes.
This is new world and this won't, I suspect, be the last change we see.
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.
But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgets
Both Klopp and Pep have been complaining about increased injuries this season.
Pep suggested muscle injuries are up 49% this season.
Liverpool have lost Van Dyke, Trent- Arnold and now Gomez.
Do they and Man Ci poty have a lack of resources or a poor medical team?
But if we have 10% fewer injuries this season then that is a huge benefit just as will be if we can make a 5 or 10% improvement in every area from corners to commercial income.
If that means Thrush going then sadly for him personally so be it but as @sage sagely says there are multiple factors in why players get injured and how long it takes them to recover.
One is the injury record of players before they arrived. Often we've been forced, due to budgets, to risk taking on injury prone players like Williams who still rarely completes a full 90 minutes.
This is new world and this won't, I suspect, be the last change we see.
To an extent it's also the choice we've made
Player a - talented, but with question marks over their injury or fitness record, e.g. Williams, but also JFC, Bielik Player b - lower league journeyman, will play every week but no better than L1
We've tended to go for the former, whereas many of the smaller teams in L1 will have more of the latter
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.
But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgets
It is true though, because he didn’t invest. Even clubs at our level now still invest as much as they can. Roland chose to neglect it.
TS has acted decisively - and fast. So, this is also a signal that CAFC, at least in respect of its administration, is now a different club. That's sad for the doc who's had to struggle through some tough times, but Roddy at SL and Mumford at The Valley represent a regime change every bit as marked as the difference between the present and previous owners.
I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.
But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgets
It is true though, because he didn’t invest. Even clubs at our level now still invest as much as they can. Roland chose to neglect it.
As was even more pronounced last season in the championship
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"I'm afraid not. All the treatment rooms are busy".
"I hope this gives you an indication as to why we need to have that chat".
As Sage has brilliantly put, this is a multifaceted issue that has been going on for a while.
I wouldn't care if Sandgaard sacked the entire medical team and replaced it with a new one, he's saved us from oblivion and he can make whatever changes he sees fit.
On your point on Sandgaard owning a company that makes pain management devices, that doesn't mean he has any great insight into sports medicine - just like the CEO of Greggs doesn't have to know how to make sausage rolls.
'Doctor Narfell will see you now!!'
This is part of HCA Healthcare (Hospital Corporation of America) and along with the new hi tech Zynex medical equipment sent to the Club a couple of weeks ago indicates a change in direction of the medical services being provided for the players.
I can only see this as a positive, though am obviously sorry that it's cost someone their job.
Ultimately, it’s a business and the way the club is wanting to go, someone takes responsibility. Because of his role, that will fall onto him.
I am not saying there’s no one better. I’m not saying he’s irreplaceable. Not at all. If we can get someone in who is better, more qualified, with fresh and exciting ideas, do it. 100%.
I was providing balance and an insight with the reasons and what they’ve had to work with for however long. He’s not blameless, but he’s also not solely responsible.
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury
Pep suggested muscle injuries are up 49% this season.
Liverpool have lost Van Dyke, Trent- Arnold and now Gomez.
Do they and Man Ci poty have a lack of resources or a poor medical team?
But if we have 10% fewer injuries this season then that is a huge benefit just as will be if we can make a 5 or 10% improvement in every area from corners to commercial income.
If that means Thrush going then sadly for him personally so be it but as @sage sagely says there are multiple factors in why players get injured and how long it takes them to recover.
One is the injury record of players before they arrived. Often we've been forced, due to budgets, to risk taking on injury prone players like Williams who still rarely completes a full 90 minutes.
This is new world and this won't, I suspect, be the last change we see.
Player a - talented, but with question marks over their injury or fitness record, e.g. Williams, but also JFC, Bielik
Player b - lower league journeyman, will play every week but no better than L1
We've tended to go for the former, whereas many of the smaller teams in L1 will have more of the latter
Think it’s out of order what is being posted on social media about him.
But there are many situations where most people are well above average. And, of course, many where most people are well below.
Salaries and number of legs would be two examples.
Yet more collateral damage from the RD era.
TS has acted decisively - and fast. So, this is also a signal that CAFC, at least in respect of its administration, is now a different club. That's sad for the doc who's had to struggle through some tough times, but Roddy at SL and Mumford at The Valley represent a regime change every bit as marked as the difference between the present and previous owners.
I mean, even Arsenal sacked their assistant masseur because of Covid.