Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets - B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the moment
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.
Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.
Sorry I edited my post to elaborate further - I do agree though with your comments about it being disrespectful to Lee if we are talking to Managers behind his back, I dont like it when others do it.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
You sound like a schoolboy. You can call me what you like. I have shared info in good faith. And J Block has too. It is just you don't want to hear it. It hardly matters if people like you believe it or not. You probably wouldn't believe it if the players told you.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
The pool of potential managers who could come straight in is probably pretty shallow. The question is are any of that small number going to be good enough to achieve what TS proclaims he wants for the club? We’re going to be incredibly fortunate if that is the case.
Does TS want Lee in charge for the rest of the season? Just delaying the inevitable? A caretaker can at least shore things up a bit.
I think a caretaker would be the right course of action if TS were to relieve Bowyer of his position in the near future. Get this season out of the way and assess where we go at the final whistle of the final game. There will probably be managers who want to look at their own futures who are currently employed and they may decide that the gig with us is worth pursuing. It would certainly give us more options than only looking at those who are currently unemployed.
Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets - B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the moment
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.
Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.
Sorry I edited my post to elaborate further - I do agree though with your comments about it being disrespectful to Lee if we are talking to Managers behind his back, I dont like it when others do it.
No one likes it, do you think we didn't "speak" to Lyle Taylor when he was under contract at Wimbledon?
If you aren't talking to them, you can bet your bottom dollar someone is.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
I won't argue that the players are letting us down big time. The amount of goals given away due to silly mistakes / lack of effort is almost comical.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets - B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the moment
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.
Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.
Sorry I edited my post to elaborate further - I do agree though with your comments about it being disrespectful to Lee if we are talking to Managers behind his back, I dont like it when others do it.
No one likes it, do you think we didn't "speak" to Lyle Taylor when he was under contract at Wimbledon?
If you aren't talking to them, you can bet your bottom dollar someone is.
I suppose its a little different with players though
With the Manager you're talking to someone else about replacing one man "already" in the job
Was it West Ham though who sacked their Manager the last few years and spent aboslutely ages being linked with nearly every available Manager, person they chose they gave the usual: "He was our first choice" rubbish but you knew he wasnt
You sound like a schoolboy. You can call me what you like. I have shared info in good faith. And J Block has too. It is just you don't want to hear it. It hardly matters if people like you believe it or not. You probably wouldn't believe it if the players told you.
I hear it, I just don't know how much weight to put behind your info. Certainly not enough to believe over the words of Darren Pratley and Ben Watson. I'm always open to changing my mind if further info came to light.
Especially hard to get on board with you when the usual suspects are so vocal on here over every little miniscule decision, it's almost like the boy who cried wolf.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You are the one being patronising.
I know you are but what am I? :-)
Both of you, just give it a rest will you?
Sorry miss - heat of the moment getting the better of me.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
I’ve heard from a mates mate both Charlton fans that this crap is going on , it’s not nice but no one would make this shit up and this was weeks back I don’t need to hear it though cos I can see with my own eyes what’s going on it’s horrible and no one wants us to be shit and that is what we currently are
for anyone holding on to the belief it’ll come right I’ll go a new route and use a trading analogy
it’s like being short Bitcoin at 15k and it’s just gone to 30k it comes back to 25k and you start chirping up it’s gonna be alright .... and then it’s 40k -50k etc etc it’s a bad losing trade and it’s wrong so far wrong and people won’t let go of it .... yes being short at 15k was a good thing once upon a time when it was worth 5k but it isn’t now and times change
as hard as it is you cut your losses and move on to the next trade and taking losses is the hardest thing in the world to do ...
Well this came out about the time of the Shrewsbury game. I would say don't put a lot of weight to it if we went on to even half decent form from there.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
I won't argue that the players are letting us down big time. The amount of goals given away due to silly mistakes / lack of effort is almost comical.
What are the main jobs of a football manager?
1) Player recruitment/selling (lessened with Directors of Football around etc) 2) Training, team selection and tactics 3) Man management and motivation
You can argue that the lower down you go, the less tactics come into play (as lower players are less capable of playing funky systems) and motivation becomes more important. If one team of average players works harder and is prepared to "die for the shirt", they will do better than average players putting in less effort...
Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets - B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the moment
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.
Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.
Sorry I edited my post to elaborate further - I do agree though with your comments about it being disrespectful to Lee if we are talking to Managers behind his back, I dont like it when others do it.
No one likes it, do you think we didn't "speak" to Lyle Taylor when he was under contract at Wimbledon?
If you aren't talking to them, you can bet your bottom dollar someone is.
I suppose its a little different with players though
With the Manager you're talking to someone else about replacing one man "already" in the job
Was it West Ham though who sacked their Manager the last few years and spent aboslutely ages being linked with nearly every available Manager, person they chose they gave the usual: "He was our first choice" rubbish but you knew he wasnt
We basically sacked Josh Magginis because we knew we were signing Taylor. Him getting a new job at Bolton is no better, in fact probably worse, than the 7 figure pay off Bowyer would get.
What about the center half we are tapping up now to replace Pearce, is that wrong?
Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
They weren't when I froze my bollocks off watching them stick 4 past us!
We weren’t very good that day but as bad as we played the scorline was flattering to them with two very late goals after we’d given up the ghost. The Cowleys don’t float my boat either.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
You said that the player said that they never talk tactics. I am not saying he didn’t say that, but that is bollocks by any stretch of the imagination. That puts the whole claim into question. There is more than enough to bang Bowyer over the head with so I would suggest that you drop this from the crime sheet.
If there is real unrest in the playing staff then Ged will absolutely know and it will definitely inform his recommendations to TS. Once players lose respect or faith in the manager then it’s all over. Add to that some shocking results and performances and it’s only a matter of when not if.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
You said that the player said that they never talk tactics. I am not saying he didn’t say that, but that is bollocks by any stretch of the imagination. That puts the whole claim into question. There is more than enough to bang Bowyer over the head with so I would suggest that you drop this from the crime sheet.
Agreed. The player in questions said it quote on quote, but I imagine he was being pretty dramatic with that statement. However there must be some truth in the fact the players don’t think they go into anywhere near enough detail tactically.
If you look at us over the past three months it has been as bad as I can remember it for many a year tactically. No shape, no ideas, no defence, no strategy. I can see where he is coming from.
Lee Bowyer has previously put together coherent teams, got players playing for him and eachother. He also said the right thing and rarely dug players out in interviews. This season he has sounded more like gobshite Karl Robinson, digging players out and nonsensical post match interviews full of excuses.
LB has continually played players out of position. Losing the Inniss and Faemwo was unfortunate but replacing centre backs with Prately and Gunter didn't help at all. Virtually every week there has been chopping and changing of the centre back and full backs. If the centre backs need some protection and Charlton are conceeding lots of goals from 20 to 30 yards out then put in a formation that protects the defence and that area. Constant reactive formation changes is not good.
Lee Bowyer is not putting out a coherent team for the players he has. The players this season often don;t seem to understand or have any
belief in what Lee Bowyer's trying to do or the formation set out.
The team today against Burton was confused and the second half the most disorganised I have seen a Charlton team. I would prefer to see him turn it around. I am not seeing any signs of that. Reluctantly it looks as LB has burnt himself out.
I assume Ged is at all games. It's funny that during the 9 game run last season, we knew everyone in the Directors Box (including Sue Parkes!) but now we never seem to see who's there
I assume Ged is at all games. It's funny that during the 9 game run last season, we knew everyone in the Directors Box (including Sue Parkes!) but now we never seem to see who's there
I heard what I heard second hand from a trusted source, but J Block heard what he heard to his face.
I also believe Bielik when he said we had the best dressing room in football at Wembley. Bowyer should take immense credit from that statement. But something has changed and it probably isn't his fault, but even what you have all seen, not heard, you can reasonably deduce that we haven't had the best dressing room in football this season!
Three players left the club as a result of being dug out by the manager. Whatever you think of them as players, this affects their teammates too.
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
You said that the player said that they never talk tactics. I am not saying he didn’t say that, but that is bollocks by any stretch of the imagination. That puts the whole claim into question. There is more than enough to bang Bowyer over the head with so I would suggest that you drop this from the crime sheet.
Agreed. The player in questions said it quote on quote, but I imagine he was being pretty dramatic with that statement. However there must be some truth in the fact the players don’t think they go into enough detail tactically.
If you look at us over the past three months it has been as bad as I can remember it for many a year tactically. No shape, no ideas, no defence, no strategy. I can see where he is coming from.
Funnily enough I don’t think we have enough scouts sussing out the opposition. Players like specific information such as he dummy’s to the left and moves right etc etc. The higher up the pyramid the greater the details are and the specifics set to each individual player and especially the goalkeeper. I think this maybe what the player was talking about. Was he from a higher league?
Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.
That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?
Most fans want a decent manager.
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Muttley in being patronising shocker.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.
You said that the player said that they never talk tactics. I am not saying he didn’t say that, but that is bollocks by any stretch of the imagination. That puts the whole claim into question. There is more than enough to bang Bowyer over the head with so I would suggest that you drop this from the crime sheet.
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I think a caretaker would be the right course of action if TS were to relieve Bowyer of his position in the near future. Get this season out of the way and assess where we go at the final whistle of the final game. There will probably be managers who want to look at their own futures who are currently employed and they may decide that the gig with us is worth pursuing. It would certainly give us more options than only looking at those who are currently unemployed.
If you aren't talking to them, you can bet your bottom dollar someone is.
It's usually about 10 past.
With the Manager you're talking to someone else about replacing one man "already" in the job
Was it West Ham though who sacked their Manager the last few years and spent aboslutely ages being linked with nearly every available Manager, person they chose they gave the usual: "He was our first choice" rubbish but you knew he wasnt
Especially hard to get on board with you when the usual suspects are so vocal on here over every little miniscule decision, it's almost like the boy who cried wolf.
I don’t need to hear it though cos I can see with my own eyes what’s going on
it’s horrible and no one wants us to be shit and that is what we currently are
for anyone holding on to the belief it’ll come right I’ll go a new route and use a trading analogy
it’s like being short Bitcoin at 15k and it’s just gone to 30k it comes back to 25k and you start chirping up it’s gonna be alright .... and then it’s 40k -50k etc etc
it’s a bad losing trade and it’s wrong so far wrong and people won’t let go of it .... yes being short at 15k was a good thing once upon a time when it was worth 5k but it isn’t now and times change
as hard as it is you cut your losses and move on to the next trade and taking losses is the hardest thing in the world to do ...
the madhouse is well and truly open tonight
1) Player recruitment/selling (lessened with Directors of Football around etc)
2) Training, team selection and tactics
3) Man management and motivation
You can argue that the lower down you go, the less tactics come into play (as lower players are less capable of playing funky systems) and motivation becomes more important. If one team of average players works harder and is prepared to "die for the shirt", they will do better than average players putting in less effort...
What about the center half we are tapping up now to replace Pearce, is that wrong?
If you look at us over the past three months it has been as bad as I can remember it for many a year tactically. No shape, no ideas, no defence, no strategy. I can see where he is coming from.
I also believe Bielik when he said we had the best dressing room in football at Wembley. Bowyer should take immense credit from that statement. But something has changed and it probably isn't his fault, but even what you have all seen, not heard, you can reasonably deduce that we haven't had the best dressing room in football this season!
Three players left the club as a result of being dug out by the manager. Whatever you think of them as players, this affects their teammates too.
The higher up the pyramid the greater the details are and the specifics set to each individual player and especially the goalkeeper.
I think this maybe what the player was talking about. Was he from a higher league?