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Has Bowyer lost it?
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See this is where I take issue. Yes he is missing, and has been missing, some of his BEST players, and some of them for an extended period. I think today was the absolute bare bones, as this season goes, but which players has he had to play that shouldn't be up to league 1 football?esseffect said:
Blind loyalty of Bowyer? I just don’t see it to be honest.J BLOCK said:
I don’t understand why people ‘lol’ this.MuttleyCAFC said:Look, I am not going to give quotes but it was stronger than baffled. If you want more detail, he has upset players with his tactics and his treatment of fellow players. Is that more to your liking?Blind loyalty will get you nowhere.We’ve have terrible injuries that have derailed the season somewhat.If you can’t see how not having your best 11 (and then some) effects a team I Id call that blind
Last season he had to play Dempsey, Lapslie, Morgan, Davison and Doughty just to get a team out.
The only player he has used this season that isn't a proven league 1 quality player (as of now) is Barker and a lot of people think he should be playing!
Which left backs was he missing when he played Matthews there? Which right back was he missing when he played Smyth there? How many non center backs did he have to try before he put Oshilaja (an actual center back) in?
Its not about winning every game its about giving yourself the best chance. I don't think many league 1 managers would consider Maddison and Williams's best position being Sub (Not used).
If you can't see why people are frustrated I would say that's blind.
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Did you read my post?esseffect said:
Blind loyalty of Bowyer? I just don’t see it to be honest.J BLOCK said:
I don’t understand why people ‘lol’ this.MuttleyCAFC said:Look, I am not going to give quotes but it was stronger than baffled. If you want more detail, he has upset players with his tactics and his treatment of fellow players. Is that more to your liking?Blind loyalty will get you nowhere.We’ve have terrible injuries that have derailed the season somewhat.If you can’t see how not having your best 11 (and then some) effects a team I Id call that blindSomeone passed on credible information that players are upset with Bowyer (something I have heard first hand from a player) and I questioned why people Lol.
BTW, we’ve had one good spell of 7 games in over a year.3 -
You never can win as a manager.Cafc43v3r said:
See this is where I take issue. Yes he is missing, and has been missing, some of his BEST players, and some of them for an extended period. I think today was the absolute bare bones, as this season goes, but which players has he had to play that shouldn't be up to league 1 football?esseffect said:
Blind loyalty of Bowyer? I just don’t see it to be honest.J BLOCK said:
I don’t understand why people ‘lol’ this.MuttleyCAFC said:Look, I am not going to give quotes but it was stronger than baffled. If you want more detail, he has upset players with his tactics and his treatment of fellow players. Is that more to your liking?Blind loyalty will get you nowhere.We’ve have terrible injuries that have derailed the season somewhat.If you can’t see how not having your best 11 (and then some) effects a team I Id call that blind
Last season he had to play Dempsey, Lapslie, Morgan, Davison and Doughty just to get a team out.
The only player he has used this season that isn't a proven league 1 quality player (as of now) is Barker and a lot of people think he should be playing!
Which left backs was he missing when he played Matthews there? Which right back was he missing when he played Smyth there? How many non center backs did he have to try before he put Oshilaja (an actual center back) in?
Its not about winning every game its about giving yourself the best chance. I don't think many league 1 managers would consider Maddison and Williams's best position being Sub (Not used).
If you can't see why people are frustrated I would say that's blind.Everyone thinks certain players should be playing, but then when they put in a dross performance you ask why are they playing.
Theres likely a reason he has no faith in Maddison, Purrington and others.
just because these lads aren’t on the pitch doesn’t mean they’ll play well.
Bogle was a scapegoat for a lot of people, he’s come on today and done really well.I have a sneaky feeling if you play Maddison for 90 minutes and he jogs about a bit, doesn’t score, you come for his head. Would that be Lees fault for playing him?3 -
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No your completely missing my point.esseffect said:
You never can win as a manager.Cafc43v3r said:
See this is where I take issue. Yes he is missing, and has been missing, some of his BEST players, and some of them for an extended period. I think today was the absolute bare bones, as this season goes, but which players has he had to play that shouldn't be up to league 1 football?esseffect said:
Blind loyalty of Bowyer? I just don’t see it to be honest.J BLOCK said:
I don’t understand why people ‘lol’ this.MuttleyCAFC said:Look, I am not going to give quotes but it was stronger than baffled. If you want more detail, he has upset players with his tactics and his treatment of fellow players. Is that more to your liking?Blind loyalty will get you nowhere.We’ve have terrible injuries that have derailed the season somewhat.If you can’t see how not having your best 11 (and then some) effects a team I Id call that blind
Last season he had to play Dempsey, Lapslie, Morgan, Davison and Doughty just to get a team out.
The only player he has used this season that isn't a proven league 1 quality player (as of now) is Barker and a lot of people think he should be playing!
Which left backs was he missing when he played Matthews there? Which right back was he missing when he played Smyth there? How many non center backs did he have to try before he put Oshilaja (an actual center back) in?
Its not about winning every game its about giving yourself the best chance. I don't think many league 1 managers would consider Maddison and Williams's best position being Sub (Not used).
If you can't see why people are frustrated I would say that's blind.Everyone thinks certain players should be playing, but then when they put in a dross performance you ask why are they playing.
Theres likely a reason he has no faith in Maddison, Purrington and others.
just because these lads aren’t on the pitch doesn’t mean they’ll play well.
Bogle was a scapegoat for a lot of people, he’s come on today and done really well.I have a sneaky feeling if you play Maddison for 90 minutes and he jogs about a bit, doesn’t score, you come for his head. Would that be Lees fault for playing him?
Maddison and Purrington are proven, at worst, decent league 1 players.
2 years ago Purrington came in and proved a solid, all be it not spectacular, 7/10 in almost every game. Since the end of 2019 not one single player has done that, nor has anyone played consistently well, for them.
We aren't not winning games consistently because we have kids, who aren't ready, in key positions. We aren't winning games consistently because multiple players aren't playing to their own potential.
Confused and inconsistent tactics, formations and team selections are partly to blame. Not to mention the post match blame and "punishment subs".
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Just how difficult it must be to “manage” thirty odd very young men who in the main have had it pretty easy and many with a sense of entitlement I can’t begin to imagine. Sprinkle in the odd arsehole and anyone that consistently manages to do it is a miracle worker.11
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You forget how good a player he was. One, of if not the best midfielders in England at one time. Possibly Europe?He's known as a tenacious tackling midfielder, but his ability to be in the right place at the right time and knock in a phenomenal amount of goals was uncanny. A kind of poacher in and around the D. Not been many of his like since in my opinion. One England cap was a scandal.
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bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!7
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I think they must of had clear the air talks or something. Whatever it is long may it continue.Whatever has happened it’s seems a bit of a black cloud has lifted and everyone including bowyer seems better for it. It’s like everyone is on the same page.Bogle is a clear example. Comes on and his body language seems positive unlike previous weeks and does what bowyer has been wanting, a real nuisance and work rate/effort.Williams another example, played really well in and out of possession.I just hope this is the platform to build on. Let’s hope for a settled team and tactics.8
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if he did loose it he seems to have found it again2
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Not quite sure he was one of the best midfielders in Europe! Not a phenomenal amount of goals either, but could chip in with a few. Agree that off the top of my head can’t really think of anyone like him around at the moment.carly burn said:You forget how good a player he was. One, of if not the best midfielders in England at one time. Possibly Europe?He's known as a tenacious tackling midfielder, but his ability to be in the right place at the right time and knock in a phenomenal amount of goals was uncanny. A kind of poacher in and around the D. Not been many of his like since in my opinion. One England cap was a scandal.
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Definitely a good player, feels like he played at the top level for a long time too. One of the best in Europe might be overdoing it a little bit though!Wonder where he ranks in the players that we’ve produced since we returned to the Valley? I would put him above Shelvey but behind Parker and Gomez (clear number 1).1
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A good defensive display against Pboro and we can feel a bit more confident.0
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This game I think will possibly define our season. Tough game even when in good form but going there in a bad run with defensive frailties looks very defining. Round pegs in round holes has to be the order of the day. Equally going there with a defensive mindset will be playing into their hands. I hope we go for it. Hard to see Peterborough not scoring so we’ve got to outscore them. A win there might really light the blue touch paper to our season and really it has to. We have to go on a champion run now because we’ve played so many games compared to our rivals. Inniss and Famewo have to make the difference.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:A good defensive display against Pboro and we can feel a bit more confident.1 -
Bizarrely I agree with both sides of the argument and many of the opposite views on "Has Bowyer lost it"Yes he did, but it may only be temporarily.
Despite feeling out of kilter with Lee this season, because I couldn't understand his philosophy, of the constant inviting of pressure and throwing lifelines to teams.
Shrewsbury and Swindon, to name just 2.
When we had Inniss and Famewo you could nearly understand it but when we had a RB Gunter and Pratley a midfielder as 5th and 6th choice CB it was a terrible idea to invite pressure. (When Pearce and Oshilaja were out as well)
Bowyer was being out thought by the opposite managers; I never felt that two seasons ago. But despite this I have always wanted Lee to stay in charge. He deserves a full season under Thomas Sandgaard before being judged by the owner. Black cap time if we are outside top 8 I would imagine?
The guys ITK with information in the dressing room are probably correct because who enjoys being slagged off in public ?
Only masochists.7 -
I don't like Leeds, but I enjoyed watching that. Thanks for posting.carly burn said:You forget how good a player he was. One, of if not the best midfielders in England at one time. Possibly Europe?He's known as a tenacious tackling midfielder, but his ability to be in the right place at the right time and knock in a phenomenal amount of goals was uncanny. A kind of poacher in and around the D. Not been many of his like since in my opinion. One England cap was a scandal.
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Very similar to Parker.cafcfan1990 said:
Not quite sure he was one of the best midfielders in Europe! Not a phenomenal amount of goals either, but could chip in with a few. Agree that off the top of my head can’t really think of anyone like him around at the moment.carly burn said:You forget how good a player he was. One, of if not the best midfielders in England at one time. Possibly Europe?He's known as a tenacious tackling midfielder, but his ability to be in the right place at the right time and knock in a phenomenal amount of goals was uncanny. A kind of poacher in and around the D. Not been many of his like since in my opinion. One England cap was a scandal.
Kieran Dyer did not rate Bowyer though.1 -
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.1 -
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.MuttleyCAFC said:
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.0 - Sponsored links:
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- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.DOUCHER said:
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.MuttleyCAFC said:
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.1 -
noty botherred what he says - point is, with the 3 cb's to come back and shinnie and schwartz getting fitter, we will only get better - the only thing that could stifle that is bowyers negative nonsense which he now has hopefully exorcised - in comparison, slagging players off and a flippant remark about an injury - (put it in context for christs sake and stop being so precious) is irrelevant.se9addick said:
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.DOUCHER said:
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.MuttleyCAFC said:
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.0 -
Fair enough, I have expectations around how our manager should conduct himself.DOUCHER said:
noty botherred what he says - point is, with the 3 cb's to come back and shinnie and schwartz getting fitter, we will only get better - the only thing that could stifle that is bowyers negative nonsense which he now has hopefully exorcised - in comparison, slagging players off and a flippant remark about an injury - (put it in context for christs sake and stop being so precious) is irrelevant.se9addick said:
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.DOUCHER said:
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.MuttleyCAFC said:
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.2 -
Bow's & Gallen told us the priority was a " finisher" and a winger with pace.
Well we have them now, the team is playing better and results have improved.
Sure it's early days, but when the injured Famewo, Inniss and Shinnie return to first team we can expect a further improvement in results.
So seems to me likely we can reach play off places.
But imo Bowyer always deserved this season to put things right.
Due to the constraints he was under during summer 2020 transfer window.
My only problem with Bow's is his penchant for publicly criticising the players after a game. This is a new thing.
Hopefully somebody ( curb's? ) has had a quiet word with him.5 -
Bowyer also mentioned of late we need someone in the Midfield with a bit of fight to itAddictedoldgit said:Bow's & Gallen told us the priority was a " finisher" and a winger with pace.
Well we have them now, the team is playing better and results have improved.
Sure it's early days, but when the injured Famewo, Inniss and Shinnie return to first team we can expect a further improvement in results.
So seems to me likely we can reach play off places.
But imo Bowyer always deserved this season to put things right.
Due to the constraints he was under during summer 2020 transfer window.
My only problem with Bow's is his penchant for publicly criticising the players after a game. This is a new thing.
Hopefully somebody ( curb's? ) has had a quiet word with him.
Bit surprising given the fact we've got Watson and Pratley unless he's looking for someone younger0 -
A decent result, but drawing against Rochdale (albeit from a 2 goal deficit) and beating a poor Bristol Rovers side is hardly something to get too excited by.
I was encouraged that the team looked better organised, but a much stronger test will be on Tuesday1 -
So all this "lost the dressing room" was much ado about nothing.
Players bad-mouthing their manager probably equates with secondary school kids belly-aching and whining about their teacher.
If Sanchez-Watt is a barometer of the mentality involved, I think I'll put my faith in Lee.
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Your bosses don't do your job.DOUCHER said:bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?4 -
While I agree I think the biggest thing is the change in bowyers attitude and outlook along with players body language.killerandflash said:A decent result, but drawing against Rochdale (albeit from a 2 goal deficit) and beating a poor Bristol Rovers side is hardly something to get too excited by.
I was encouraged that the team looked better organised, but a much stronger test will be on TuesdayBy all means not suddenly all fixed but its positive and does not feel like a big storm cloud above bowyer and the team.0 -
Well this is the thing. Even during our winning period earlier on in the season it was often a difficult watch. To me we just looked like an accident waiting to happen.roseandcrown said:
While I agree I think the biggest thing is the change in bowyers attitude and outlook along with players body language.killerandflash said:A decent result, but drawing against Rochdale (albeit from a 2 goal deficit) and beating a poor Bristol Rovers side is hardly something to get too excited by.
I was encouraged that the team looked better organised, but a much stronger test will be on TuesdayBy all means not suddenly all fixed but its positive and does not feel like a big storm cloud above bowyer and the team.
The last 1.5 games, although nothing to get carried away about - the change in performance has been very encouraging and makes me feel like we have a platform to build on now.1
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