bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Your bosses don't do your job.
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?
Construction Cost Consultant - my bosses have done or still do the same job as me, but not as well
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Your bosses don't do your job.
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?
Construction Cost Consultant - my bosses have done or still do the same job as me, but not as well
You're many things Doucher but I suspect modest isn't one of them.
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Your bosses don't do your job.
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?
Construction Cost Consultant - my bosses have done or still do the same job as me, but not as well
You're many things Doucher but I suspect modest isn't one of them.
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Your bosses don't do your job.
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?
Construction Cost Consultant - my bosses have done or still do the same job as me, but not as well
You're many things Doucher but I suspect modest isn't one of them.
if you've got it, flaunt it
I reckon someone said that to Katie Price once and I really wish they hadn't.
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Your bosses don't do your job.
Or are you Civil Service? Minister of Communications maybe (Proofreading and Paragraph Section)?
Construction Cost Consultant - my bosses have done or still do the same job as me, but not as well
You're many things Doucher but I suspect modest isn't one of them.
if you've got it, flaunt it
I reckon someone said that to Katie Price once and I really wish they hadn't.
be as boring old world if we all walked around being modest - give me a clough or a mourinho over a gareth southgate or a ron greenwood any day of the week
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.
A win and a draw is just about acceptable? I don't understand that, had it been the results reversed with the win against Bristol Rovers at home and the draw to Rochdale away does your opinion change? Cause that's typical promotion form. 4 points out of a possible 6 is not just acceptable it's good.
We need to start being fair here, if we had lost both or lost one or even drawn both people would still be saying he's lost it, if he gets the results it can't just be 'acceptable'...where has this snobbery come from, I don't get it at all.
Lee has clearly not lost it, pointless thread, Peterborough are about to get Bowyered
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.
A win and a draw is just about acceptable? I don't understand that, had it been the results reversed with the win against Bristol Rovers at home and the draw to Rochdale away does your opinion change? Cause that's typical promotion form. 4 points out of a possible 6 is not just acceptable it's good.
We need to start being fair here, if we had lost both or lost one or even drawn both people would still be saying he's lost it, if he gets the results it can't just be 'acceptable'...where has this snobbery come from, I don't get it at all.
Lee has clearly not lost it, pointless thread, Peterborough are about to get Bowyered
Who you play is a relevant consideration when deciding if a result is “good”. Agreed that beating Peterborough (assuming that in your opinion getting “Bowyered” is a good thing!) will definitely be a good result, very much hope that we do!
I think it's clear someone has had a word in his ear. Much calmer and more supportive of players in recent interviews.
Good to see
It seems likely. Though makes me curious as to who this person is. Bowyer is no shrinking violet and would probably not listen to just anybody.
Almost certainly TS via Roddy.
It's probably TS, Tracey, Roddy, Pearce...
This is what I mean though. I'm not digging anyone out, it's pure curiosity on my part but is it Sandgaard and Roddy pulling rank? Or the likes of Pearce or Pratley speaking up on behalf of the team? Both?
Ultimately it does not matter so long as it works of course. And in either case it is credit to Bowyer that he does seem to have taken it on board instead of doubling down.
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.
A win and a draw is just about acceptable? I don't understand that, had it been the results reversed with the win against Bristol Rovers at home and the draw to Rochdale away does your opinion change? Cause that's typical promotion form. 4 points out of a possible 6 is not just acceptable it's good.
We need to start being fair here, if we had lost both or lost one or even drawn both people would still be saying he's lost it, if he gets the results it can't just be 'acceptable'...where has this snobbery come from, I don't get it at all.
Lee has clearly not lost it, pointless thread, Peterborough are about to get Bowyered
Who you play is a relevant consideration when deciding if a result is “good”. Agreed that beating Peterborough (assuming that in your opinion getting “Bowyered” is a good thing!) will definitely be a good result, very much hope that we do!
I don't really agree with that, Rochdale can't stop scoring atm and have been a league 1 side for a long time, Rovers as well are usually a tough game for any side in league 1, we are a league 1 side so picking up points from both games is a result
It is a good thing, we are gonna win to nil against Peterborough
I think it's clear someone has had a word in his ear. Much calmer and more supportive of players in recent interviews.
Good to see
It seems likely. Though makes me curious as to who this person is. Bowyer is no shrinking violet and would probably not listen to just anybody.
I'm more surprised if he hadn't been hearing much the same for months - perhaps he's finally taken it on board. If so it shows he's nouse outweighs his ego, which is essential for success.
I think it's clear someone has had a word in his ear. Much calmer and more supportive of players in recent interviews.
Good to see
It seems likely. Though makes me curious as to who this person is. Bowyer is no shrinking violet and would probably not listen to just anybody.
Almost certainly TS via Roddy.
He won't admit it but he's definitely being guided by my posts - in for a striker now i told him on here yesterday - you'll all thank me one day when he reveals this in his autobiograhy after i've guided him / us to European success
I would suspect Bowyer is most likely going to listen to a message from the owner.
When Southall first took over, I had posters on here criticising my frustration at us not making desperately needed signings as if it was better tactically not to. It is a case of letting what you want to believe influence your view IMO.
I haven't seen other manager's dig out so many of their own players and even the fans in such a short space of time. Digging out one publicly is as rare as hen's teeth. Some will say that is a good thing for the same reason. But this behaviour built to a point were we had disgusting comments about not caring about a player's injury. Of course somebody from above is going to have had a word.
If the word has the desired affect, it may put him back on the right track. Let's hope so.
I don't think that is what we are saying. It is too early to say that, but he hasn't slagged anybody off publicly (quite the opposite in fact) for two games and long may that continue.
Also, some may have missed it, but we were one nil up and he made positive subs at Rovers. This is promising because it is a departure from what we have come to expect from him recently.
How can you guys go from ‘lost it’ to ‘got it back’ after 2 games.
I think he knows what he said was unprofessional, but I don’t think anyone can stop him doing it again.
Im of the opinion he never lost it, I also won’t think that if we lost tonight.
This forum is going to be exciting tonight I’m sure
I agree that it is madness to think Bowyer has completely changed.
HOWEVER
I don't agree he's got it back, I feel he is working hard to get it back and that is all many of us asked for and it appears it is delivering.
Tonight should be the first real test out of these three fixtures since we've seen something of a change.
It will be interesting and telling, not just what happens on the pitch, but after the final whistle too as to how Bowyer has changed. (Watch us win 6-0 now and all of us that were doubting have to eat some Humble Crumble)
Maybe LB has a couple of days/weeks to look at his comments, tactics and general manner over those few dire games and realise he himself wasn't on top form and needed to reassess his actions. I hope this is the case, maybe with a nudge from Pearce and that TS hasn't been telling him how to behave. Call me old fashioned but I think the owner/chairman should look after the business side of the club and the manager look after the playing side. Either way I believe negative comments about players/the club should be kept in house.
How can you guys go from ‘lost it’ to ‘got it back’ after 2 games.
I think he knows what he said was unprofessional, but I don’t think anyone can stop him doing it again.
Im of the opinion he never lost it, I also won’t think that if we lost tonight.
This forum is going to be exciting tonight I’m sure
My take on lost the plot meant playing players out of position every game for no obvious reason, resulting in drawing or losing games against the lower teams.
This was then compounded by post match outbursts, heavily criticising the fans and individual players, culminating in Bowyer saying something like he didn't care whether Maddison was injured or maybe he said seriously injured.
Bowyer appeared to be very stressed to me (with good reason).
He has not done this for the last 2 games, so yes I think it reasonable to say someone looking and acting highly stressed, doing and saying things out of recent character, has stopped doing so and his month of losing the plot has ended. Time will tell.
How can you guys go from ‘lost it’ to ‘got it back’ after 2 games.
I think he knows what he said was unprofessional, but I don’t think anyone can stop him doing it again.
Im of the opinion he never lost it, I also won’t think that if we lost tonight.
This forum is going to be exciting tonight I’m sure
My take on lost the plot meant playing players out of position every game for no obvious reason, resulting in drawing or losing games against the lower teams.
This was then compounded by post match outbursts, heavily criticising the fans and individual players, culminating in Bowyer saying something like he didn't care whether Maddison was injured or maybe he said seriously injured.
Bowyer appeared to be very stressed to me (with good reason).
He has not done this for the last 2 games, so yes I think it reasonable to say someone looking and acting highly stressed, doing and saying things out of recent character, has stopped doing so and his month of losing the plot has ended. Time will tell.
The thing is loosing it over night never happened. Its been a gradual process that came to a head in the last 2 months. I think the overly critical (of which I would include myself) point back to most of the year 2020.
There were some questionable team selections, public criticism of players last season and rightfully he got a free pass because of all the "shit going on". As our form got worse these things got highlighted more.
Bowyer has been a better manager when he has had a more laissez-faire attitude. His crisis managment, on the pitch, has been pretty poor and looked more desperate as the crisis got worse.
If Bristol Rovers had scored the Equaliser with that header I would still have said I was happy with the shape and the starting 11 considering who was available. I would've been gutted with the result as we had enough chances to win 3 matches.
I don't care if the CF plays in defence for Melchester Rovers. Roy Race could play in every position! When Lee Bowyer plays players out of position it doesn't work. FACT. Marshal played WB and it worked for one game, 95% it doesn't work for Cafc. If you have no choice fair enough: Pratley and Gunter at CB when Inniss, Famewo, Oshilaja and Pearce were out.
But win, lose or draw against Peterborough I hope players are picked in their best positions and we play 4-4-2, so we have a chance of replicating our play against Rovers but with better finishing.
bowyer has been a shockingly bad manager for circa 2 months now nut something has happened after the rochdale game which has woken him up - a lightbulb moment - the rock solid defence meant he was getting away with the negative football and it was maybe reinforcing his opinion that it was the right way to go. it wasn't and it was not only losing us fans, it was losing the players - thank god he has woken up - whether they had a meeting and players told a few home truths or TS had a word or roddy or curbs, who knows but hopefully all the 'advice' given on here has also lead to that change that was so badly needed because it was reaching a point where the loyaltyhad been stretched to its limit. he's learning onb the job and now hopefully has come through a very valuable lesson and we can storm on now. not getting schwarz on earlier with chucks nearly cost us so i'm not !00% convinced but i like LB and his passion for the club and want him to do well. - all he needs to do is not hamper the players by fucking up the selections - that is all that matters - as i tell my bosses at work - you do your job properly and i can do mine - i don't consider them bosses coz i actually am far better at my job than they are and they know it but they possibly get paid a bit more coz they are prepared to play the corporate game, conform and lick peoples arses - i'm not - point is, if they start hampering me by not doing their jobs properly , i let them know with both barrels and they learn from it and we move on - bowyer needs to keep taking on board what his players are saying, listen and accept his view may not be right if the whole team and fanbase think its wrong - onwards and upwards - keep attacking and we can go straight up!!! COYR!!!!!!!!
Bowyer's behaviours have been unusual of late. I say unusual as I defy anybody to tell me that a manager taking players off like he did Williams and Bogle, slagging players off publicly and even fans is normal. I won't go into tactics.
I say unusual, not just in the contetxt of other managers but Bowyer himself, because these were not his behaviours when he first took over. I recall Bielik saying after our Wembley win something to the effect that we had the best dressing room in football. That has to be to the immense credit of Bowyer. So the reasonable of us out there have to accept there has been a marked difference.
The next question is whether that difference is negatively affecting our chances of going up this season. I can't see how it is so unreasonable that some fans may think they are. Then when you hear unrest in the dressing room it backs up your fears.
The question has to be for those worried about it is whether Bowyer will pull back on this or continue on this route. I have always held the belief that if he changed back, I would want him to remain our manager because he showed when he is relaxed and his nasty side is kept under control (with his own players that is), then he is a very good, positive manager.
Now it is early days, but he seemed better after the Rochdale game and he was positive after yesterday's win, although of course it was a win. Maybe somebody has had a word with him, and if we stop seeing the nonsense we have not seen once, twice, three times, four times etc... I am happy he remains as manager. We have gone two matches without him publicly digging out a player. The thing he said about Maddison's injury was outrageous but maybe it was a tipping point.
Anyway, I have been for removing him because these indiscretions, that don't have a positive effect have been ongoing for too long. If they have stopped and hopefully he has made peace with players he has wronged, then take it as a lesson and let's go forwards together. I believed the man couldn't help himself and was mentally not right, but if that has been sorted great. We shall see in the coming games.
sorry i meant accrington game above - i couldn't give a monkies if he chooses to dig a player out publicly - the change that was needed was to start setting the team set up properly and cut the negative line ups and substitutions and stop leaving our best players on the bench - everything else is peripheral and will fall into place anyway if he gets that right - 2 games since accringtongate and so far so good.
- it wasn’t digging a player out that was so concerning post Accrington, it was saying he didn’t care if one of his players had sustained a serious injury. Let’s not airbrush history to suit our argument.
- yesterday was pretty decent, but I’m not sure I would say a 4-4 draw with Rochdale followed by a 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers is “good”, I would say it’s probably just about acceptable if we are going to get promoted this season.
A win and a draw is just about acceptable? I don't understand that, had it been the results reversed with the win against Bristol Rovers at home and the draw to Rochdale away does your opinion change? Cause that's typical promotion form. 4 points out of a possible 6 is not just acceptable it's good.
We need to start being fair here, if we had lost both or lost one or even drawn both people would still be saying he's lost it, if he gets the results it can't just be 'acceptable'...where has this snobbery come from, I don't get it at all.
Lee has clearly not lost it, pointless thread, Peterborough are about to get Bowyered
I think it's clear someone has had a word in his ear. Much calmer and more supportive of players in recent interviews.
Good to see
It was "clear that he lost the dressing room" the
other day, according to you, but now the results have gone the other, it's
"clear that someone’s had a word in his ear”.
What is "clear" to me is that Bowyer’s position has
swung from a no-lose situation (While the panto was in town) to a no-win
situation, overnight literally. And there were far too many people jumping the
gun, calling for him to be sacked far too prematurely the other day. That's referencing
purely the people who were calling for hm to go, and not those who were merely
questioning his tactics.
whilst tonight wasn’t necessarily bowyers fault, you have to question his response to mistakes and losses.
He needs to keep the same tactics and set up as tonight , albeit without Pearce!
Think we’ve been found out, a while ago now , and we’re trying to reinvent the wheel in order to progress- just need to go back to basics and have some consistency and continuity!
Again comes out and calls the players crap. Not really here for it. You picked them Bowyer, live with it.
I just listened to the interview and understood his words very differently. He said silly mistakes/decisions cost us and the pitch was awful. He said they all gave 100% and he couldn’t ask them to try any harder. Sounded v disappointed obviously but that’s understandable.
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We need to start being fair here, if we had lost both or lost one or even drawn both people would still be saying he's lost it, if he gets the results it can't just be 'acceptable'...where has this snobbery come from, I don't get it at all.
Lee has clearly not lost it, pointless thread, Peterborough are about to get Bowyered
Good to see
Ultimately it does not matter so long as it works of course. And in either case it is credit to Bowyer that he does seem to have taken it on board instead of doubling down.
But like I said... I'm just curious.
Always happy to be proved wrong.
It is a good thing, we are gonna win to nil against Peterborough
If so it shows he's nouse outweighs his ego, which is essential for success.
When Southall first took over, I had posters on here criticising my frustration at us not making desperately needed signings as if it was better tactically not to. It is a case of letting what you want to believe influence your view IMO.
I haven't seen other manager's dig out so many of their own players and even the fans in such a short space of time. Digging out one publicly is as rare as hen's teeth. Some will say that is a good thing for the same reason. But this behaviour built to a point were we had disgusting comments about not caring about a player's injury. Of course somebody from above is going to have had a word.
If the word has the desired affect, it may put him back on the right track. Let's hope so.
I think he knows what he said was unprofessional, but I don’t think anyone can stop him doing it again.
Im of the opinion he never lost it, I also won’t think that if we lost tonight.
This forum is going to be exciting tonight I’m sure
Also, some may have missed it, but we were one nil up and he made positive subs at Rovers. This is promising because it is a departure from what we have come to expect from him recently.
HOWEVER
I don't agree he's got it back, I feel he is working hard to get it back and that is all many of us asked for and it appears it is delivering.
Tonight should be the first real test out of these three fixtures since we've seen something of a change.
It will be interesting and telling, not just what happens on the pitch, but after the final whistle too as to how Bowyer has changed. (Watch us win 6-0 now and all of us that were doubting have to eat some Humble Crumble)
This was then compounded by post match outbursts, heavily criticising the fans and individual players, culminating in Bowyer saying something like he didn't care whether Maddison was injured or maybe he said seriously injured.
Bowyer appeared to be very stressed to me (with good reason).
He has not done this for the last 2 games, so yes I think it reasonable to say someone looking and acting highly stressed, doing and saying things out of recent character, has stopped doing so and his month of losing the plot has ended. Time will tell.
There were some questionable team selections, public criticism of players last season and rightfully he got a free pass because of all the "shit going on". As our form got worse these things got highlighted more.
Bowyer has been a better manager when he has had a more laissez-faire attitude. His crisis managment, on the pitch, has been pretty poor and looked more desperate as the crisis got worse.
If Bristol Rovers had scored the Equaliser with that header I would still have said I was happy with the shape and the starting 11 considering who was available.
I would've been gutted with the result as we had enough chances to win 3 matches.
I don't care if the CF plays in defence for Melchester Rovers. Roy Race could play in every position!
When Lee Bowyer plays players out of position it doesn't work. FACT.
Marshal played WB and it worked for one game, 95% it doesn't work for Cafc.
If you have no choice fair enough: Pratley and Gunter at CB when Inniss, Famewo, Oshilaja and Pearce were out.
But win, lose or draw against Peterborough I hope players are picked in their best positions and we play 4-4-2, so we have a chance of replicating our play against Rovers but with better finishing.
What is "clear" to me is that Bowyer’s position has swung from a no-lose situation (While the panto was in town) to a no-win situation, overnight literally. And there were far too many people jumping the gun, calling for him to be sacked far too prematurely the other day. That's referencing purely the people who were calling for hm to go, and not those who were merely questioning his tactics.
whilst tonight wasn’t necessarily bowyers fault, you have to question his response to mistakes and losses.
He needs to keep the same tactics and set up as tonight , albeit without Pearce!