My main issue is that I don’t see any clear system, style or tactic in the way we play. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what style of football we play. Constant tinkering of first 11 and formation just creates really messy and incoherent performances.
Any benefit Bowyer thinks we're getting by tweaking the team and formation almost every game is lost by the negatives it brings.
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
We were a piss poor club with no money compared to others at that point, with money being put in to returning to The Valley and it was in the second tier . Even with a salary cap we are one of the bigger fish in this shit heap of a pond called League One and we are so underperforming it's shocking .
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
Bowyer has regressed in the last two years.
the bowyer we have now is not the same bowyer as two years ago, he didn’t tinker, he didn’t make stupid team selections.
Lee has been a moody bugger since he sat at that press conference with Southall looking like he didn't want to be there and saying he was being forced to overplay Gallagher. OK, knowing what we know about Southall, you might be able to excuse him, but he has been in that mode for most of the time since.
Do you recall when he started and we had given up on the play offs. We will make them. We are good enough - all positivity. It was a different bloke FFS!.
He has tried not to dig players out publicly of late (I assume after strong words) and to be a bit more cheerful. BTW, doing this to three players is extremely unprofessional. His press conferences have been negativity personified. Five subs is bad and I didn't vote for it (that's right, put a negative spin on something you could have been positive about). We have to look after Smyth as he is a QPR player. WTF!!!! Wage cap this, wage cap that. It isn't the same bloke FFS!
It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to sell our best player to build a stand? It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to rebuild a squad after losing all our major players? The 90-91 to 92-93 squads had continuity, only forced to sell Rob Lee: Can't think of many others moving on to better things. Andy Peake and Gordon Watson? From 18-19 to 20-21 we have none of our main players left barring Pearce.
Jackett's had four seasons to build a squad in League One. Sunderland three. Robinson had two and got nowhere near. We should be better, but expecting everything to click in one season without anywhere near proper planning is crazy.
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Another it's only League one quote.
Okay, let’s pretend we aren’t currently in league 1
My main issue is that I don’t see any clear system, style or tactic in the way we play. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what style of football we play. Constant tinkering of first 11 and formation just creates really messy and incoherent performances.
Any benefit Bowyer thinks we're getting by tweaking the team and formation almost every game is lost by the negatives it brings.
Agree, I’d be interested to know how many of the top teams are tinkering like bowyer does. If they are why is it working for them,?, if they’re not it proves bowyers approach is flawed and may need to pick a team and stick with it. It may even give players confidence knowing they are going to get a run of games unless they play there selves out of the team.
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Another it's only League one quote.
Okay, let’s pretend we aren’t currently in league 1
You were saying it like we have the right to automatically get promoted. We don't and some of our fans need to be realistic.
I think like everyone thought before he took us over, bowyer just isn’t made out to be a manager, in the playoff season we had a steady team far too good for that league. Since we’ve had a very unstable team and consistently made 3/4 changes a game without fail, that’s just not a recipe for success. He doesn’t know his best 11 or how to play and hasn’t since the start of last season.
Would have made the decision after the Rochdale game. Think it would have been the time to make the decision. However, didn’t happen and I respect TS decision for sticking with Bowyer. Would be shocked if Bowyer didn’t last the season.
Robbo went 4 wins in 19 before resigning in 2018. Bowyer is now 4 wins in 17.
Agreed. The time to do it would have been well before the end of the transfer window, it's madness to do it 1 day after the window closes
I'd give it until say 6 games before the end, long enough for Bowyer to have a decent crack at the playoffs now. If we're out of contention by this point, it would make sense to make the change then to give the new person all summer to change things (and decide which players to retain etc)
It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to sell our best player to build a stand? It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to rebuild a squad after losing all our major players? The 90-91 to 92-93 squads had continuity, only forced to sell Rob Lee: Can't think of many others moving on to better things. Andy Peake and Gordon Watson? From 18-19 to 20-21 we have none of our main players left barring Pearce.
Jackett's had four seasons to build a squad in League One. Sunderland three. Robinson had two and got nowhere near. We should be better, but expecting everything to click in one season without anywhere near proper planning is crazy.
This is bang on the money. Everyone wants everything instantly in this day and age - it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Bowyer has earned the opportunity to get a proper season with backing from a proper owner. And no, that earned season is not this season. Putting together a squad in two weeks in the middle of a pandemic does not constitute a proper crack at it.
If it looks like we're getting nowhere by Christmas, then let's reassess. It took us three seasons to get out of this league on the last two occasions we were down here. I'm still expecting us to do it sooner than that but to bounce straight back up was always going to be a tall order. I think people have been a bit spoiled by that stupendous run of form through October/November.
I think questioning Bows achievement to get us promoted is harsh to be honest when you consider the mess going on around him at the time. My concern is that he is looking like a great manager when in the trenches fighting but now things have settled down is clearly struggling.
I don't get the constant tinkering, and he needs to find his first choice 11 fast but given the backing he has just had I think he has a bit longer to turn things around. If we miss the playoffs then it's time for a change of approach.
It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to sell our best player to build a stand? It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to rebuild a squad after losing all our major players? The 90-91 to 92-93 squads had continuity, only forced to sell Rob Lee: Can't think of many others moving on to better things. Andy Peake and Gordon Watson? From 18-19 to 20-21 we have none of our main players left barring Pearce.
Jackett's had four seasons to build a squad in League One. Sunderland three. Robinson had two and got nowhere near. We should be better, but expecting everything to click in one season without anywhere near proper planning is crazy.
This is bang on the money. Everyone wants everything instantly in this day and age - it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Bowyer has earned the opportunity to get a proper season with backing from a proper owner. And no, that earned season is not this season. Putting together a squad in two weeks in the middle of a pandemic does not constitute a proper crack at it.
If it looks like we're getting nowhere by Christmas, then let's reassess.
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Another it's only League one quote.
Okay, let’s pretend we aren’t currently in league 1
You were saying it like we have the right to automatically get promoted. We don't and some of our fans need to be realistic.
So we shouldn't be allowed to have a manager who can achieve it. Be realistic and put up with shite!
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Another it's only League one quote.
Okay, let’s pretend we aren’t currently in league 1
You were saying it like we have the right to automatically get promoted. We don't and some of our fans need to be realistic.
Of course we don’t have an automatic right to get promoted but it would be nice to see some semblance of a settled team, some semblance of a game plan, some idea of tactics. I don’t have a problem losing but at least give them a game. I’m done with Bowyer.
Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
This is league 1, an awful league one at that. On current former, bowyer is taking us to our worst league position in most Charlton supporters life times.
Can’t really compare to grit and curbs in a league above
Another it's only League one quote.
Okay, let’s pretend we aren’t currently in league 1
You were saying it like we have the right to automatically get promoted. We don't and some of our fans need to be realistic.
How did you get to that conclusion from me saying you can’t compare a league 1 season with a championship season?
It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to sell our best player to build a stand? It wouldn't be acceptable if we had to rebuild a squad after losing all our major players? The 90-91 to 92-93 squads had continuity, only forced to sell Rob Lee: Can't think of many others moving on to better things. Andy Peake and Gordon Watson? From 18-19 to 20-21 we have none of our main players left barring Pearce.
Jackett's had four seasons to build a squad in League One. Sunderland three. Robinson had two and got nowhere near. We should be better, but expecting everything to click in one season without anywhere near proper planning is crazy.
This is bang on the money. Everyone wants everything instantly in this day and age - it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Bowyer has earned the opportunity to get a proper season with backing from a proper owner. And no, that earned season is not this season. Putting together a squad in two weeks in the middle of a pandemic does not constitute a proper crack at it.
If it looks like we're getting nowhere by Christmas, then let's reassess.
Can we afford to fail both this season and next?
We might not have a choice... Whether Bowyer goes or stays, there is no guarantee we'll go up under the next man
Said it before but its taken: Parkinson | Peacock | Powell | Slade | Nugent | Robinson | Bowyer (Yup I've added the caretakers for dramatic effect) to get us out of this league - Absolutely no guarantee the next bloke whoever he is wont put us even further behind schedule
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Robinson's was League One - League One
Even with a salary cap we are one of the bigger fish in this shit heap of a pond called League One and we are so underperforming it's shocking .
the bowyer we have now is not the same bowyer as two years ago, he didn’t tinker, he didn’t make stupid team selections.
I don’t think he can get back to two years ago
Do you recall when he started and we had given up on the play offs. We will make them. We are good enough - all positivity. It was a different bloke FFS!.
He has tried not to dig players out publicly of late (I assume after strong words) and to be a bit more cheerful. BTW, doing this to three players is extremely unprofessional. His press conferences have been negativity personified. Five subs is bad and I didn't vote for it (that's right, put a negative spin on something you could have been positive about). We have to look after Smyth as he is a QPR player. WTF!!!! Wage cap this, wage cap that. It isn't the same bloke FFS!
Jackett's had four seasons to build a squad in League One. Sunderland three. Robinson had two and got nowhere near. We should be better, but expecting everything to click in one season without anywhere near proper planning is crazy.
7th | 12th | 11th | 15th | 6th | 15th | 4th...
You're right though in your other post... Curbs did have a shoestring budget at times... I cant argue with that point
Lets not completely re-write history as imagine there were games where the fans got fed up with them
It wouldnt have been a bed of roses on the way from 1991 - 1998
Players really don't know where they stand with Bowyer at the moment. And it shows.
I'd give it until say 6 games before the end, long enough for Bowyer to have a decent crack at the playoffs now. If we're out of contention by this point, it would make sense to make the change then to give the new person all summer to change things (and decide which players to retain etc)
If it looks like we're getting nowhere by Christmas, then let's reassess. It took us three seasons to get out of this league on the last two occasions we were down here. I'm still expecting us to do it sooner than that but to bounce straight back up was always going to be a tall order. I think people have been a bit spoiled by that stupendous run of form through October/November.
I don't get the constant tinkering, and he needs to find his first choice 11 fast but given the backing he has just had I think he has a bit longer to turn things around. If we miss the playoffs then it's time for a change of approach.
very weird
Said it before but its taken: Parkinson | Peacock | Powell | Slade | Nugent | Robinson | Bowyer (Yup I've added the caretakers for dramatic effect) to get us out of this league - Absolutely no guarantee the next bloke whoever he is wont put us even further behind schedule