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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Portsmouth | Tues 2nd Feb 2021
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Curbishley praises Stockley's performance but then bemoans that Schwartz is feeding off of knock downs when he needs through balls. This is why I don't like the tactic of a target man laying it off for other players as a constant tactic. I didn't like it with Leaburn and I don't think I've ever liked it. If this is how we plan to play then I will probably stop watching when the weather improves.
Bowyer said that they are good at what they do but failed to add that we are bad at what we do.
I don't believe that this transfer window will have helped us. The new players are not what we needed. We are laughable in defence and even if the other two get back fit, there's no guarantee that they will stay fit.
I know it sounds like I'm over-reacting to a defeat but we can't keep saying 'get over it, there's another game on Saturday.' This match was the real test and we failed it.7 -
23 wins in 72 games.CAFCOlly said:
Barring the obvious relief and joy of Thomas saving us; from a footballing perspective I’ve felt massively deflated for a year now. We’ve not looked convincingly good for a while.AFKABartram said:Everyone else just feel massively deflated?0 -
With the constant changing of starting line ups I'm starting to think that bowyer starts each match day by putting all of the players names into one hat, all of the positions on the pitch into another and then picks them out at random to decide on the starting lineup2
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Bring on the pitchforks, Leuth.Leuth said:Okay okay I said I was sorry, jesus! Talking myself into the path of the pitchforks here lol
Your point (if I may be so presumptuous) is that Bowyer lacks intelligence. And the days of unintelligent football managers are over.
Sandgaard will give him until the Summer. Sandgaard is too nice.
I'm hoping that Ged Roddy is a competitive, winning bastard because I'm finding it difficult to warm to this inept team and its limited manager ... and I want my Club to be successful.7 -
Really bad performance. I thought Portsmouth were poor but they were everything we weren’t strong, organised and played to a game plan when defending and attacking.
We’ve got two huge problems are build up play is too slow and we are making so many individual errors. Getting pathetic we are gifting goals away to opposition in almost every match. Not sure why Purrington was taken out the side. Prefer to have a solid left back who doesn’t cross the half line whilst on this run instead of a flashy left back out of form.
Positives were Stockley and JFC. Thought those two played well and deserved.
If we had supporters in the ground the team would have been booed off in every game now for last 7 games. Plymouth booed at half time, Accrington booed, Rochdale at half time, Swindon half time, tonight booed. If crowds were allowed in the ground I’m convinced that Bowyer would have been sacked by now.Still think it’s ridiculous we didn’t get a defender in January. Can’t understand that decision at all.8 -
Yeah. He most likely couldn’t see it, or I assume he would have given it. Doesn’t make him shit.Bedsaddick said:
The nailed on pen we should have had immediately springs to mind.Cloudworm said:
Why was he shit?ValleyGary said:The ref was shit but blaming him for the first two goals screams desperation0 -
I have always said Lee should be given a bit of time. I have also said that imo his tactics last year cost us as his negativity without doubt cost us points from winning positions.
I think unless we get a run of results going from now on he is in dire trouble. TS isnt going to want to be in this league next season dealing with trying to get out under an even worse cap. Lose on Saturday the pressure will really be on the manager. I'm concerned because I'm not sure Lee can change things he just seems like a rabbit in the headlights and is constantly over thinking things. Why do we constantly have to match up to the opposition and worry about stopping their world class players ? Just play to our strengths and let them try to stop us Lee !10 -
Schwartz needs a winger whipping in low crosses or CAMs playing in through balls to run onto.jimmymelrose said:Curbishley praises Stockley's performance but then bemoans that Schwartz is feeding off of knock downs when he needs through balls. This is why I don't like the tactic of a target man laying it off for other players as a constant tactic. I didn't like it with Leaburn and I don't think I've ever liked it. If this is how we plan to play then I will probably stop watching when the weather improves.
Bowyer said that they are good at what they do but failed to add that we are bad at what we do.
I don't believe that this transfer window will have helped us. The new players are not what we needed. We are laughable in defence and even if the other two get back fit, there's no guarantee that they will stay fit.
I know it sounds like I'm over-reacting to a defeat but we can't keep saying 'get over it, there's another game on Saturday.' This match was the real test and we failed it.6 -
at least we’ve got @PaddyP17 flirting with The Vixen tomorrow to look forward to.
Save our season Padster16 -
Yes your right, I’m not saying it’s a simple problem and answer - it’s a multifaceted issue that’s compounded by what we’re watching on the pitch.CAFCOlly said:
Individual errors almost every game suggests a bigger problem. Bowyer might not be the one on the pitch making the mistakes but he needs to take responsibility, too.ElliotCAFC said:That was hard to watch. The most braindead set of players I’ve ever seen. So many individual errors that led to that loss.Without the stupid errors from defenders and midfield it would have been a fairly even game. Pompey were the better side no doubt about it, it’s just a shame we gifted them the victory.Predictably, people will hound Bowyer out like a mob, but it’s the players that are making the errors on the pitch.It’s just frustrating to see the fickleness from fans begging for Bowyer to be sacked. There’s no rational discourse about what’s causing the individual errors and subsequent poor form, it’s just blanket statements of “Bowyers an idiot” “he’s lost the dressing room” “if [insert unemployed manager name] was in charge we’d be smashing the league”.
We’re still more than capable of getting in the play-offs, and we’ll be much improved with DJ and Famewo starting on Saturday and there’s plenty of time to go on a long run of wins.We’d all be a lot happier if we just remained calm, wait to see how the season unfolds and then take reasonable action in the Summer.13 - Sponsored links:
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Nah. You'll have to find something better.Braziliance said:Poke fun at his post match comments themselves but not how he pronounces words fkn hell. Proper snobby that is0 -
Has Bowyer had a blow to the head or something.
These comments are insane.0 -
I'm in the minority here in not really caring about this season I think. We're coming off the back of a relegation season in the midst of a pandemic, as well as the club having to be saved in the last minute meaning we couldn't play around the salary cap. Bowyer has made some strange decisions and the football we have been playing at times is boring, but unless we get relegated, Bowyer has to be given the summer and following January window.
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I asked the question on the Bowyer Out thread but unfortunately no one has provided an answergolfaddick said:One question for all the Bowyer apologists -
When is enough enough ? We have now won 4 games in our last 17.
Is it when we win 5 in 20....?
Or when we win 6 in 23 ?
Week in & week out I read that its a blip, we won 6 on the trot, wait for the "big 2" to come back.....blah blah blah.
Will you now accept that he has taken us as far as he can.
Should Curbs and Gritt have been sacked in 92/93 when we went on a similar run where we got 14-points from 17-games whereas we've gone 18-points from 17-games at the present...? - There is absolutely zero patience amongst Football fans anymore
For me its not a case he cant be at fault for anything, even I've been critical in recent weeks
But for me he gets a period into next season depending on results, gets a proper summer to work in pre-season @ Sparrows Lane and on a Training Camp to actually build a squad that is built on unity. This team has been rushed, its been put together in a panicked mess, its like sticking up a wall without any foundations and hoping it can do the job its there for.
The teams around us, how many of them have had to build virtually from scratch AGAIN this season... Instead I imagine they've put together a team of players that has been improved over the seasons to the point its strong enough to mount a serious promotion challenge
Regardless of who the Manager is next season, this summer HAS to be the last time that happens
We talk about recovering from Roland's era, we talk about the damage ESI have done, its going to take time to recover as a Football club.
But we wont get anywhere as a team without a stable team that is constantly being replaced and changed every season18 -
If there was a good manager available who is willing to manage us in League One with a team he did not choose, maybe I would be for a change. Of course, anyone who needs to manage in League One might be clueless by definition. If they could take a clue, they would not be in League One.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:LB needs to go - he is clueless.0 -
Depressing and deflating but used to it. Especially deflated after the last minute signing last night all got us a bit hyped clinging on to hope that we can achieve something this year. 21 hours later good old Charlton sending us back down to earth with a bang.Dazzler21 said:
23 wins in 72 games.CAFCOlly said:
Barring the obvious relief and joy of Thomas saving us; from a footballing perspective I’ve felt massively deflated for a year now. We’ve not looked convincingly good for a while.AFKABartram said:Everyone else just feel massively deflated?1 -
Strangely I don’t. I think because did not expect anything.AFKABartram said:Everyone else just feel massively deflated?Sadly I have already written of this season as although we could go in a run and make playoffs can’t see it.Excited for the medium to long term though.4 -
golfaddick said:One question for all the Bowyer apologists -
When is enough enough ? We have now won 4 games in our last 17.
Is it when we win 5 in 20....?
Or when we win 6 in 23 ?
Week in & week out I read that its a blip, we won 6 on the trot, wait for the "big 2" to come back.....blah blah blah.
Will you now accept that he has taken us as far as he can.
For me personally I think he needs to start playing his best players in a simple 4-4-2 formation and in their natural positions.
No more right backs as CB, no more leaving Millar out etc and importantly stick with that approach consistently for a minimum of 5 game blocks unless injury forbids it or subs come on and have worldies that demand a starting place.
If he can do that and return us and keep us in the top 6 then that's good enough for me, even if we don't finish top 6 - which we well could if he does the above with a consistent starting 11 with the best players playing and in their natural positions.
If he does that then focuses on building a solid back 4 or 5 in the summer then I am still with him.
If we carry on with the chopping and changes and no playing Millar inexplicably then results and performances will likely continue to deteriorate and even the most ardent Bowyer loyalists like myself will be scratching our heads as to how much we can keep arguing his case.
Window closed now, we have what we have and now is the time to make it work with almost half the season left.
I hope he can do it.13 -
Unless TS sees something and believes the playoffs are still possible I can’t see any benefit in keeping Bowyer on. To do so means either sacking him after the last game when we don’t get into the playoffs or keeping him on and allowing him to oversee the rebuild. Before this evening I’ve been right behind LB but now the club needs to come first.3
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What if we fail again next season? Another chance?jacob_CAFC said:I'm in the minority here in not really caring about this season I think. We're coming off the back of a relegation season in the midst of a pandemic, as well as the club having to be saved in the last minute meaning we couldn't play around the salary cap. Bowyer has made some strange decisions and the football we have been playing at times is boring, but unless we get relegated, Bowyer has to be given the summer and following January window.1 - Sponsored links:
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People are talking about the tinkering with Millar, but what did Purrington do wrong?
I thought Maatsan was shit.11 -
This. They have only played together half a dozen times. They aren't Gomez & Van Dyke or Bould & Adams who have played a few seasons together.CAFCOlly said:Really, really not convinced as some that Famewo and Innis will transform our season once they're back. We've got big issues across the pitch.1 -
Gonna answer this with another question: what league were we in then?ForeverAddickted said:
I asked the question on the Bowyer Out thread but unfortunately no one has provided an answergolfaddick said:One question for all the Bowyer apologists -
When is enough enough ? We have now won 4 games in our last 17.
Is it when we win 5 in 20....?
Or when we win 6 in 23 ?
Week in & week out I read that its a blip, we won 6 on the trot, wait for the "big 2" to come back.....blah blah blah.
Will you now accept that he has taken us as far as he can.
Should Curbs and Gritt have been sacked in 92/93 when we went on a similar run where we got 14-points from 17-games whereas we've gone 18-points from 17-games at the present...8 -
Famewo seems to have been nearly fit and in and around it for weeks now, were were told on the 12th December it'd be about 9 weeks and Saturday will be 8, really frustrating to keep hearing it0
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It is unfair to call Portsmouth poor. They came with a simple game plan (that I could set up) which will beat us more often than not at the Valley. Bodies behind the ball, quick balls forward. They executed it well so did the job required.
I do think there is enough in our squad where a new manager could give us a chance. That window is closing though and if we don't win on Saturday and start the run we need, Sandgaard has to act quickly. Unless he is happy to write the season off.2 -
I agree up until this point... I dont think he should get until next January for the sake of itjacob_CAFC said:I'm in the minority here in not really caring about this season I think. We're coming off the back of a relegation season in the midst of a pandemic, as well as the club having to be saved in the last minute meaning we couldn't play around the salary cap. Bowyer has made some strange decisions and the football we have been playing at times is boring, but unless we get relegated, Bowyer has to be given the summer and following January window.
This season is a given to recover from relegation (Yes Hull got relegated too and are top but they kept their team together when they came down), but if we find ourselves in this sort of position come October, November then its seriously got to be looked at2 -
How many now since we've come back from 1 nil down....? 35 ??
Awful awful stat. Any manager playing against us knows that all they have to do is to score first. It's not funny anymore.9 -
Great reminder gaffer, look he even gets his name in the TV Guide, more entertainment than all this Bowyer Bollocks I’d imagine...AFKABartram said:at least we’ve got @PaddyP17 flirting with The Vixen tomorrow to look forward to.
Save our season Padster
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Is this Count Basie standing next to Sinatra there..?PaddyP17 said:That was wank.
Get rid of basically everyone whose contract is up in the summer. Watson; Pratley; Pearce - they're too old and too slow. We won't be able to retain the loanees, and frankly I'd rather we signed players for the long term.
Other teams like Accrington can outperform the wage cap, and we've always thought Gallen has been shrewd. With or without Bowyer - honestly indifferent at this point - we should be able to compete next year with the right moves.
I've resigned myself to a decent but non-promotion finish and am looking ahead to 2021/22. Very surprised I'm so detached with so long to go in the season.1 -
We were a First Division team competing in the First Division, we are now a League One team competing in League OneLeuth said:
Gonna answer this with another question: what league were we in then?ForeverAddickted said:
I asked the question on the Bowyer Out thread but unfortunately no one has provided an answergolfaddick said:One question for all the Bowyer apologists -
When is enough enough ? We have now won 4 games in our last 17.
Is it when we win 5 in 20....?
Or when we win 6 in 23 ?
Week in & week out I read that its a blip, we won 6 on the trot, wait for the "big 2" to come back.....blah blah blah.
Will you now accept that he has taken us as far as he can.
Should Curbs and Gritt have been sacked in 92/93 when we went on a similar run where we got 14-points from 17-games whereas we've gone 18-points from 17-games at the present...
And to point out we'd just finished 7th the year before and ended up finishing 12th the year we had that poor run
So surely the 7th place should have morphed into something better, not something worse?
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