Good on Cheveley Park and hopefully more will follow out of the yard. Hopefully just O'Leary left and both scumbags can rot together and the better off racing will be without them!
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
I really don't think it reflects an entire industry. We know that from all the trainers, owners, commentators who have condemned it without hesitation. Having known a number in the business (I’ve had horses with 5 trainers) I have no doubt that Elliott is in a very small minority, even though there will sadly be others. And I'm not defending anyone in involved in that Elliott photo - they should all have to account for themselves. But you have to allow for the fact that Elliott is (presumably) their boss. It sets an atrocious example and has no doubt encouraged copycat attitudes but, to be fair, it would take a lad with a very strong character (they're probably feeling lucky to be employed at the yard) to object to it to his face. I wouldn’t extrapolate conclusions about an entire industry from it.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
I really don't think it reflects an entire industry. We know that from all the trainers, owners, commentators who have condemned it without hesitation. Having known a number in the business (I’ve had horses with 5 trainers) I have no doubt that Elliott is in a very small minority, even though there will sadly be others. And I'm not defending anyone in involved in that Elliott photo - they should all have to account for themselves. But you have to allow for the fact that Elliott is (presumably) their boss. It sets an atrocious example and has no doubt encouraged copycat attitudes but, to be fair, it would take a lad with a very strong character (they're probably feeling lucky to be employed at the yard) to object to it to his face. I wouldn’t extrapolate conclusions about an entire industry from it.
I agree completely, Peanuts. I’m not sure who the poster was referring to though.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
‘It’s the norm’
Evidence please.
I suspect they meant "as if it's the norm". And if you're straddling dead horses or pretending to ride them, like an absolute sick prick, then maybe that sort of behaviour - in certain yards, not all - is in some way normalised?
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
‘It’s the norm’
Evidence please.
I suspect they meant "as if it's the norm". And if you're straddling dead horses or pretending to ride them, like an absolute sick prick, then maybe that sort of behaviour - in certain yards, not all - is in some way normalised?
Perhaps, but the same poster earlier on accused another poster of a similar thing and was way off the mark, so I don’t know what to suspect.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
“It’s the norm”. Absolute nonsense. I understand not being a fan of horse racing, although I don’t feel the same I understand that point of view. To suggest this is normal behaviour is ridiculous though, you can see it’s not from the industries reaction.
Exactly that Bob. I don’t even really follow racing, mainly just this Cheltenham thread each year, but you don’t attack all doctors and health workers just because of Harold Shipman and the same should apply to racing.
Not really a fair comparison. For some the act of forcing an animal to run for the sake of gambling is a serious moral issue. You really can’t compare it to one monster practicing medicine.
The fact Elliott and James feel confident enough to do this in front of others speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about them or about an entire industry ?
On the yards. I work in the industry and 99% are outraged.
Both pics have others laughing as it’s the norm. That’s inhuman and they’ve run the horses to death too. I could go on about the the Grand Nat and others but all in the sport on any race can expect their horse to break its neck and suffer a horrible death! Right?
I don’t like horse racing, not only do I find it painfully tedious to watch horses run around, on a moral angle I never like using animals for our own entertainment - those are my own beliefs and I’m not going to preach them to anyone else.
But coming from someone who came into the industry wanting to hate it, you simply can’t deny these people love and in some cases idolise these animals. I’ve had the pleasure to visit a few yards and they were very well looked after
not to gloss over elliots appauling behaviour but watched the attheraces preview - load of crap just spoke about faves and covered 9 races i didnt need half hour telling me good envoi is.
Of course what Elliot done is sick but I do feel for the stable staff who earn f all and horses they’ve cared for all there life’s - not fair really
Were they the ones laughing and taking the picture??? And who is to say he doesn’t do it everytime a horse has a heart attack on his watch?
More to come ...
elliots yard in Meath employs around 50/100 people mostly local, and not on fantastic money - for whatever reason you have decided that you are going to try and make some sort of trouble with me - pathetic and petulant.
First Free Bet must be used on the 13:20 Supreme Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham on Tuesday (March 16th).
Second Free Bet must be used on the 13:20 Ballymore Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham on Wednesday (March 17th).
Third Free Bet is open to all races that day and must be used by the 16:50 Kim Muir Challenge Cup Handicap Chase at Cheltenham on Thursday (March 18th).
First Free Bet must be used on the 13:20 Supreme Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham on Tuesday (March 16th).
Second Free Bet must be used on the 13:20 Ballymore Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham on Wednesday (March 17th).
Third Free Bet is open to all races that day and must be used by the 16:50 Kim Muir Challenge Cup Handicap Chase at Cheltenham on Thursday (March 18th).
Right then, let's all have a brag. For those of us playing antepost, what's the best bet you have?
For me, it's 25/1 about Happygolucky for the Ultima (now 6s), followed by 25/1 about Zanza for the Grand Annual (now mainly 9s, a couple 10s). I have them both in singles and doubles. Be a very happy man if even one of them slams home!
Right then, let's all have a brag. For those of us playing antepost, what's the best bet you have?
For me, it's 25/1 about Happygolucky for the Ultima (now 6s), followed by 25/1 about Zanza for the Grand Annual (now mainly 9s, a couple 10s). I have them both in singles and doubles. Be a very happy man if even one of them slams home!
I’m on Happygolucky too but only 18s, a massive £3!
Not a massive drop in price but I took 13/2 for Paisley Park, 3/1 now and I think it will beat Thyme Hill.
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And I'm not defending anyone in involved in that Elliott photo - they should all have to account for themselves.
But you have to allow for the fact that Elliott is (presumably) their boss.
It sets an atrocious example and has no doubt encouraged copycat attitudes but, to be fair, it would take a lad with a very strong character (they're probably feeling lucky to be employed at the yard) to object to it to his face.
I wouldn’t extrapolate conclusions about an entire industry from it.
Evidence please.
And who is to say he doesn’t do it everytime a horse has a heart attack on his watch?
win only or the win part of an each way bet.
I’m sure they had the same offer on the first race each day last year.
Only seen it advertised for the Tuesday so far though.
For me, it's 25/1 about Happygolucky for the Ultima (now 6s), followed by 25/1 about Zanza for the Grand Annual (now mainly 9s, a couple 10s). I have them both in singles and doubles. Be a very happy man if even one of them slams home!
Not a massive drop in price but I took 13/2 for Paisley Park, 3/1 now and I think it will beat Thyme Hill.
Shishkin any race at 6/1
out of the faves who do you see getting beat - this year there are 7 even or better faves last year was same as only 1 won ( envoi Allen )
One AP bet for the Festival for me - The Storyteller at 20s e/w in the Stayers Hurdle (now 12s).