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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Blackpool | Sat 27 Feb 2021
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TellyTubby said:Garrymanilow said:MuttleyCAFC said:Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
Most of us agree that Bowyer ain't going to motivate players with his public comments, so just how bad are his private ones?
As an angry and disgruntled employee, all you want to do is get through your day and hope you can find a better place to work or your boss moves on.
You hate getting up in the morning to face the same old shit again, you can't get out as a footballer because there is no transfer window. You know that you need to perform or another employee won't want you, but you are constantly confused about what you are being asked to do, no chance of developing a working relationship with your colleagues because personnel constantly moves to another department.
If I've got a boss telling the world, I'm a shirker, I don't have any pride in my work, I know I would struggle to find any enthusiasm to go the extra mile. It leads to stressed out employees and poor performances.
When Thomas took over, we all thought that Bowyer had done a great job in the circumstances up til then. I've no idea why Bowyer hasn't moved forward, perhaps it's the change of personnel around him, perhaps he simply wasn't ever that good?
Whatever the reason, it's patently clear, and has been for weeks that there is no coming back from his piss poor management. He ain't going to get the players back now.
Thomas must realise this and if he isn't currently looking for a replacement then our new owner is a fool.2 -
ForeverAddickted said:Exiled_Addick said:Bowyers concerns about lack of commitment make it look a strange decision to let Lapslie go and bring in someone like Smith with the money saved. Lapslie had his flaws but effort was certainly never one. I’d rather be watching a midfield of Lapslie and Morgan than Watson and Shinnie right now, even if it might not dramatically change the results.
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Exiled_Addick said:ForeverAddickted said:Exiled_Addick said:Bowyers concerns about lack of commitment make it look a strange decision to let Lapslie go and bring in someone like Smith with the money saved. Lapslie had his flaws but effort was certainly never one. I’d rather be watching a midfield of Lapslie and Morgan than Watson and Shinnie right now, even if it might not dramatically change the results.0
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hoof_it_up_to_benty said:palarsehater said:FishCostaFortune said:palarsehater said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:palarsehater said:I’m still bowyer in - think a lot of you have very short memories.Love the club as much as any but I genuinely just wrote this season off Ipswich Sunderland are as big or bigger than us and struggling. We’ve got a club to support left and that does me.
We've got steadily worse over the season with numerous players underperforming yet none of this apparently has anything to do with the manager. We just happen to be the one team in L1 with poor players that don't care.
Bowyer get us promoted two seasons ago with a strong squad and this apparently means we should stick with him indefinitely regardless of results.
Bowyer selects the players and was also involved in signing a lot of them so presumably has to take responsibility for something?2 -
lonman said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:palarsehater said:FishCostaFortune said:palarsehater said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:palarsehater said:I’m still bowyer in - think a lot of you have very short memories.Love the club as much as any but I genuinely just wrote this season off Ipswich Sunderland are as big or bigger than us and struggling. We’ve got a club to support left and that does me.
We've got steadily worse over the season with numerous players underperforming yet none of this apparently has anything to do with the manager. We just happen to be the one team in L1 with poor players that don't care.
Bowyer get us promoted two seasons ago with a strong squad and this apparently means we should stick with him indefinitely regardless of results.
Bowyer selects the players and was also involved in signing a lot of them so presumably has to take responsibility for something?
Unfortunately it's what he's doing now that is the problem.
We can't keep living in the past we have to look forward and under the current manager the future is not looking bright.6 -
TellyTubby said:Garrymanilow said:MuttleyCAFC said:Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
Most of us agree that Bowyer ain't going to motivate players with his public comments, so just how bad are his private ones?
As an angry and disgruntled employee, all you want to do is get through your day and hope you can find a better place to work or your boss moves on.
You hate getting up in the morning to face the same old shit again, you can't get out as a footballer because there is no transfer window. You know that you need to perform or another employee won't want you, but you are constantly confused about what you are being asked to do, no chance of developing a working relationship with your colleagues because personnel constantly moves to another department.
If I've got a boss telling the world, I'm a shirker, I don't have any pride in my work, I know I would struggle to find any enthusiasm to go the extra mile. It leads to stressed out employees and poor performances.
When Thomas took over, we all thought that Bowyer had done a great job in the circumstances up til then. I've no idea why Bowyer hasn't moved forward, perhaps it's the change of personnel around him, perhaps he simply wasn't ever that good?
Whatever the reason, it's patently clear, and has been for weeks that there is no coming back from his piss poor management. He ain't going to get the players back now.
Thomas must realise this and if he isn't currently looking for a replacement then our new owner is a fool.
I was moved at work some years ago, to manage an underperforming department.
I had been told that there had been a lot of problems with the bloke I was replacing and the staff were in revolt.
I needed to "turn around the underperformance" of the entire office.
On my first Friday at the new office about a quarter off the staff went sick.
I heard a rumour that they had all gone to see Guns N' Roses to stitch up the previous manager.
I think he probably was a dick from what I had heard and I thought fair play to them.
No one wanted to admit it (understandably) so I spoke to one of them in private.
I said what I had heard, said that under the circumstances I didn't blame them and my lips were sealed as long as nothing like that happened again. She admitted that they had.
All the staff were as good as gold after that and all performed well, with no one chucking sickies.
The point being is if your manager is extremely poor, the staff performance will be extremely poor and they may reach a point where they do not want to work for the boss.
Charlton players can't just leave as there is a transfer window.
It would appear that Charlton reached this point some time ago.11 -
I wish some of the match stats were a bit more precise. 15 decimal places is the bare minimum.
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Perhaps one last throw of the dice for Lee Bowyer.
There will be changes on Tuesday, so why not give some of our
youngsters a game. Bring back Albie for a starter and perhaps
recall Davidson, try Barker and Henry if fit. At least I believe
they want to play for us. Would leave Famewo, Purrington and Stockley in.
Pearce will come in as no one else available. Give Swartz 90 mins.
Not bothered about Pratley, Watson, Washington or Shinnie at the moment
they offer nothing!1 -
Davison can't come back until the end of this season.
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I don’t think Bowyer respects the players because he was a league or two above their level (edit: as @ct_addick has said). Perhaps Pratley is the exception, as he sees something of himself in his combativity.
It’s also odd that whenever an interviewer has praised a player Bowyer always seems to reply ‘we’ve improved him’, which can’t go down well with the players.1 - Sponsored links:
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palarsehater said:FishCostaFortune said:palarsehater said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:palarsehater said:I’m still bowyer in - think a lot of you have very short memories.Love the club as much as any but I genuinely just wrote this season off Ipswich Sunderland are as big or bigger than us and struggling. We’ve got a club to support left and that does me.1
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It’s amazing how many candidates we have for a new manager as a 1000 on here seem to be able to do the job.5
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soapy_jones said:It's not difficult. Get rid of the failing coach and watch the players perform. Happens more times than not. Give it a go Charlton.1
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palarsehater said:It’s amazing how many candidates we have for a new manager as a 1000 on here seem to be able to do the job.6
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Anyone have an idea about Chuks appeal, could we get a decision before Tuesday?0
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eastterrace6168 said:Anyone have an idea about Chuks appeal, could we get a decision before Tuesday?3
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MattF said:eastterrace6168 said:Anyone have an idea about Chuks appeal, could we get a decision before Tuesday?7
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another baffling selection from the crazy world of lee bowyer0
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Blackpool fan here in peace. Firstly, thanks to all you guys who supported us and backed us in the turbulent twisted vile days of the Oyston family ownership. It's massively appreciated and it's good to see you rid of Roland Douchebag.
Onto the game yesterday. Pool are on a decent run, we only took 7 pts from our first 9 games this season, mostly due to the fact we signed about 20 new players in the summer and they hadn't integrated as a team, but it's looking decent for us of late.
As for the match, i though the ref was a bit weak. I agree with both red cards, but not the second penalty, it was softer than soft and i think Yates played for it bigtime. As for the Addicks, i felt sorry for you. Blackpool won every second ball, wanted it more, showed more fight and passion, and that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. If you pull on a shirt, no matter who you play for, you've got to give your all, and some of the performances yesterday by your team were abysmal and i said to my family at full time, if i'd have been a Charlton fan i'd have been disgusted with the lack of effort.
Expected the kitchen sink in the second half, but 4 changes was a big surprise. Thought your left winger was the best of the bunch, he got into good positions several times. Sorry for the shitty day, good luck with the rest of the season and thanks again from the Seaside.
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I wouldn't get too excited about it, a pub team would beat us at the Valley at the moment.2
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Seasider53 said:Blackpool fan here in peace. Firstly, thanks to all you guys who supported us and backed us in the turbulent twisted vile days of the Oyston family ownership. It's massively appreciated and it's good to see you rid of Roland Douchebag.
Onto the game yesterday. Pool are on a decent run, we only took 7 pts from our first 9 games this season, mostly due to the fact we signed about 20 new players in the summer and they hadn't integrated as a team, but it's looking decent for us of late.
As for the match, i though the ref was a bit weak. I agree with both red cards, but not the second penalty, it was softer than soft and i think Yates played for it bigtime. As for the Addicks, i felt sorry for you. Blackpool won every second ball, wanted it more, showed more fight and passion, and that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. If you pull on a shirt, no matter who you play for, you've got to give your all, and some of the performances yesterday by your team were abysmal and i said to my family at full time, if i'd have been a Charlton fan i'd have been disgusted with the lack of effort.
Expected the kitchen sink in the second half, but 4 changes was a big surprise. Thought your left winger was the best of the bunch, he got into good positions several times. Sorry for the shitty day, good luck with the rest of the season and thanks again from the Seaside.
Our best run of wins was just after the new players had arrived, we were playing 2 games a week and had little time to train together. The form then got worse over the following weeks
Then we had a tiny boost from the January signings when they first arrived, but as February has progressed, the form has deteriorated6 -
palarsehater said:It’s amazing how many candidates we have for a new manager as a 1000 on here seem to be able to do the job.2
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killerandflash said:Seasider53 said:Blackpool fan here in peace. Firstly, thanks to all you guys who supported us and backed us in the turbulent twisted vile days of the Oyston family ownership. It's massively appreciated and it's good to see you rid of Roland Douchebag.
Onto the game yesterday. Pool are on a decent run, we only took 7 pts from our first 9 games this season, mostly due to the fact we signed about 20 new players in the summer and they hadn't integrated as a team, but it's looking decent for us of late.
As for the match, i though the ref was a bit weak. I agree with both red cards, but not the second penalty, it was softer than soft and i think Yates played for it bigtime. As for the Addicks, i felt sorry for you. Blackpool won every second ball, wanted it more, showed more fight and passion, and that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. If you pull on a shirt, no matter who you play for, you've got to give your all, and some of the performances yesterday by your team were abysmal and i said to my family at full time, if i'd have been a Charlton fan i'd have been disgusted with the lack of effort.
Expected the kitchen sink in the second half, but 4 changes was a big surprise. Thought your left winger was the best of the bunch, he got into good positions several times. Sorry for the shitty day, good luck with the rest of the season and thanks again from the Seaside.
Our best run of wins was just after the new players had arrived, we were playing 2 games a week and had little time to train together. The form then got worse over the following weeks
Then we had a tiny boost from the January signings when they first arrived, but as February has progressed, the form has deteriorated
Embarrassingly we are losing to arguably lesser teams. Maybe ego is the problem at Charlton across the whole set up. We need to be humble as we are being humbled every week.
The unthinkable can't happen again. Can it?0 -
EmsworthAddick said:
A great advert for our Academy Day yesterday.
The only academy representative was Nathan Harness, an untried substitute goalkeeper.
The wisdom of Bowyer's policy of recruiting old men of the likes of Gunter, Watson and Shinnie, and relying on Pratley in the midfield engine room was there for all to see.
Edit :2 posts below Scoham points that out 🙄
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Seasider53 said:Blackpool fan here in peace. Firstly, thanks to all you guys who supported us and backed us in the turbulent twisted vile days of the Oyston family ownership. It's massively appreciated and it's good to see you rid of Roland Douchebag.
Onto the game yesterday. Pool are on a decent run, we only took 7 pts from our first 9 games this season, mostly due to the fact we signed about 20 new players in the summer and they hadn't integrated as a team, but it's looking decent for us of late.
As for the match, i though the ref was a bit weak. I agree with both red cards, but not the second penalty, it was softer than soft and i think Yates played for it bigtime. As for the Addicks, i felt sorry for you. Blackpool won every second ball, wanted it more, showed more fight and passion, and that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. If you pull on a shirt, no matter who you play for, you've got to give your all, and some of the performances yesterday by your team were abysmal and i said to my family at full time, if i'd have been a Charlton fan i'd have been disgusted with the lack of effort.
Expected the kitchen sink in the second half, but 4 changes was a big surprise. Thought your left winger was the best of the bunch, he got into good positions several times. Sorry for the shitty day, good luck with the rest of the season and thanks again from the Seaside.
I said earlier, I'd be embarrassed if one of ours did the same as three of yours and the surrounding pack, but hey, maybe we should be more "streetwise"?
On a serious note, you lot have been through a shit time recently, so good luck to you pal and thanks for posting1 -
lonman said:Charltonparklane said:lonman said:I still have faith in Bowyer. I think given time he will turn this around. A large portion of the blame lays at the door of the players. There is no way this squad is a top 6 squad IMO. There are a few exceptions Shinnie, Millar, Stockley and Famewo but beyond that we are garbage. Pearce was dog sh#t last year I don't think he's gonna improve any. We lost 12 players in the summer and they were replaced with average signings even by L1 standards. I think Bowyer deserves the chance to rebuild the squad in the summer and have a good crack at getting us promoted next year.0
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ForeverAddickted said:MuttleyCAFC said:ForeverAddickted said:The Prince-e-Paul said:The road ahead.
With this season looking like lower mid-table obscurity, I was just thinking, who from this squad of player's under contract might be kept or moved on in the summer. Obviously there are some loans and players out of contract that may be worth keeping on, but there is no guarantee or likelihood of that happening so all of those must be excluded.
Who is here for next season already and who would you keep?
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Redmidland said:Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but reading this part of LB's interview "“There’s players that are coming in. There’s players that will be going. We have to rebuild a team. In the summer it was a bit of a rush, obviously we are under the embargo. In January did we get the ones that we really needed? I think we did okay in both windows but there’s a gap. You’re seeing that now"
Am I being thick or is he saying he has already lined up players to join in the summer and they have agreed or that he is hoping to bring new players in? If the first option is the case, surely that means TS is keeping LB in situ for at least the start of next season, or he wouldn't have agreed to bring in certain players that a new manager might not want? Or am I reading too much into this?0 -
killerandflash said:Seasider53 said:Blackpool fan here in peace. Firstly, thanks to all you guys who supported us and backed us in the turbulent twisted vile days of the Oyston family ownership. It's massively appreciated and it's good to see you rid of Roland Douchebag.
Onto the game yesterday. Pool are on a decent run, we only took 7 pts from our first 9 games this season, mostly due to the fact we signed about 20 new players in the summer and they hadn't integrated as a team, but it's looking decent for us of late.
As for the match, i though the ref was a bit weak. I agree with both red cards, but not the second penalty, it was softer than soft and i think Yates played for it bigtime. As for the Addicks, i felt sorry for you. Blackpool won every second ball, wanted it more, showed more fight and passion, and that shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. If you pull on a shirt, no matter who you play for, you've got to give your all, and some of the performances yesterday by your team were abysmal and i said to my family at full time, if i'd have been a Charlton fan i'd have been disgusted with the lack of effort.
Expected the kitchen sink in the second half, but 4 changes was a big surprise. Thought your left winger was the best of the bunch, he got into good positions several times. Sorry for the shitty day, good luck with the rest of the season and thanks again from the Seaside.
Our best run of wins was just after the new players had arrived, we were playing 2 games a week and had little time to train together. The form then got worse over the following weeks
Then we had a tiny boost from the January signings when they first arrived, but as February has progressed, the form has deteriorated7