I had a ‘positive conversation’ with the missus about having a roll around the other day but nothing seems to have materialised.
Therefore, until it is done, it is all hear say and speculation.
WIOTOS
I've heard that the Cowley brothers are also interested in her
Is there any possibility of her coming out on loan?
And does she pass the all important CL height test!
there's always speculation of a roll around but it rarely materializes - get her on a pay per play deal, stick to porn hub and forget all about her until she pulls her kit on
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £x pw.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
I'm self-employed : - )
Trouble with playing hard ball is that the player can say no, if they want to take that risk, and you may then have destroyed any good will that existed.
And the more players we say no to the fewer we have to choose from. It's all very well coming over all macho but it can be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
In private I'm sure that GR, SG, NA and TS say things like "He's taking the piss here, let's look at some one else" but not in public and not to the agent or player so as not to close the door.
Because that player might decide we are the best offer and come back and say "I'll take your £1k pw over being unemployed"
As the SLP article says Gallen is speaking to them. He's negotiating.
My guess is that SG/NA are the good cops and GR/TS are the bad cops in this
I wonder if someone is being just a little bit crafty with the timing of Adkins' interview. People starting to wonder what is happening with the contract offers and the club gets to say "Well, they are telling us they want to stay but not signing."
Tips the focus/pressure onto the players somewhat.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
But by doing that you don't get Amos, period.
If you want the Pompey keeper, and he is prepared to sign for x amount, which is what you want to pay him, you offer him x and if he signs you then tell Amos sorry you have had too long etc.
You don't say its the xth of June, sign or jog on.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
That's all very true, both sides are playing the game. Both sides are taking a risk in the hope of getting the best possible deal.
Only there is no need, as I said, to say anything to Amos, no benefit to giving him a deadline, you just go ahead and sign the other keeper and THEN withdraw the offer
People are suggesting we withdraw the offer BEFORE we've signed another keeper
Pre-season starts before deadline closing day. The club has made it clear they would like a squad together before pre-season.
Whether we allow players who we want to keep but have not agreed contracts to join in with pre-season is a judgement call.
I would say no. Sign up by the start of pre-season or miss out. If you’re still around and we want you after Pre-season we’ll talk then about your reduced terms.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
That's all very true, both sides are playing the game. Both sides are taking a risk in the hope of getting the best possible deal.
Only there is no need, as I said, to say anything to Amos, no benefit to giving him a deadline, you just go ahead and sign the other keeper and THEN withdraw the offer
People are suggesting we withdraw the offer BEFORE we've signed another keeper
Depends if you prefer Amos or someone else. If you prefer someone else, then I agree with you. However, I would suspect we would prefer to keep Amos & not go down the route of looking for someone else in that position. Saying that, a GK is rather a specialist position and generally you are only really looking for 1 player for that spot and if you think your existing GK is your best bet then you might want to hang on for a while before looking elsewhere. Other positions are different & I'm still of the mindset that we cant hang around forever waiting for xxxx to decide if he fancies us, Ipswich, MK Don's or Motherwell.
This is mainly because of the saga we had with Ben Reeves. Waited weeks & weeks & weeks for him to make up his mind & he finally joined us just days before the season started. Missed pre-season so he was not fully fit & then never really got 100% up to speed. Player didnt do himself or us any favours. Players finished the season at the start of May & those out of contract knew by the end of May if they were being offered a new contract. Pre-season starts at the end of June & its good to get the majority of players in & fit to play during July. That gives any player plenty of time to mull over any offers they might have elsewhere & imo if you are still undecided come July you are either not that sought after or the deals are not worth worrying about.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
WIOTOS
Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
That's all very true, both sides are playing the game. Both sides are taking a risk in the hope of getting the best possible deal.
Only there is no need, as I said, to say anything to Amos, no benefit to giving him a deadline, you just go ahead and sign the other keeper and THEN withdraw the offer
People are suggesting we withdraw the offer BEFORE we've signed another keeper
Depends if you prefer Amos or someone else. If you prefer someone else, then I agree with you. However, I would suspect we would prefer to keep Amos & not go down the route of looking for someone else in that position. Saying that, a GK is rather a specialist position and generally you are only really looking for 1 player for that spot and if you think your existing GK is your best bet then you might want to hang on for a while before looking elsewhere. Other positions are different & I'm still of the mindset that we cant hang around forever waiting for xxxx to decide if he fancies us, Ipswich, MK Don's or Motherwell.
This is mainly because of the saga we had with Ben Reeves. Waited weeks & weeks & weeks for him to make up his mind & he finally joined us just days before the season started. Missed pre-season so he was not fully fit & then never really got 100% up to speed. Player didnt do himself or us any favours. Players finished the season at the start of May & those out of contract knew by the end of May if they were being offered a new contract. Pre-season starts at the end of June & its good to get the majority of players in & fit to play during July. That gives any player plenty of time to mull over any offers they might have elsewhere & imo if you are still undecided come July you are either not that sought after or the deals are not worth worrying about.
On the other hand we continued to try to sign Kermorgant and eventually signed him in the middle of September. He was the missing piece of the puzzle and changed us from a playoff team into champions.
Got to judge it by each player. Reeves was a decent squad player but not someone who could transform the team.
The clubs being used again by certain players. Then you get this rubbish that they want to all stay !!! NO!! they want to play us off and fall back on us if no one else wants them, there just trying to keep us sweet. Just get rid of them and start again with players that actually want to be here !!!
So unrealistic.
They are professional footballers, it's their livelihood. Of course they look around to see what else is on offer and compare that with our offer.
Just as players at other clubs last season are looking at what we've offered and are deciding whether to stay with the other club or join us.
If they join is it because they "want to be here" and they are fulfilling their life's ambition of playing for Charlton in league 1 or because we made the best offer? I think we all know the answer.
They are not fans, it's a job to them. Yes, once they have signed I expect them to show loyalty and commitment to the club and team and they have and will but let's not get high and mighty about this when other players who have been let go are described by fans demanding loyalty as "deadwood", "shit", "not good enough" etc etc.
This is why there is no point Adkins or anyone else at the club trying to explain to some fans what is happening.
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Could do the same as the club does with the season tickets - an early bird contract. Sign at the time of the released/retained list is produced = £x pw. Sign before 30th June = £y pw. sign after pre-season starts = £z pw.........reducing as time elapses.
Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Opening paragraph is open to a titter golfie, but I must say I agree with the bulk of your post, whist not dismissing Henry's post regarding their right to shop around, there has to be a cut off point where the club must move on if the answer is no, to enable time and choice to be well mulled over for any replacements required, the whole process has to be two way, and therefore just make some decisions someone or as you say do the other.
Let's use Amos as an example.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
on the other side, the keeper from Portsmouth who we may or may not be interested in but let's say we are and he's our number one pick if Amos goes, get's fed up waiting and signs this afternoon for Ipswich. On Tuesday Amos rings Adkins and says 'hi boss, the sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, walking is good for you, talking is good for you too and I've been talking to Sunderland and I've signed for them, cheerio, keep your pecker up'. So now we have lost Amos and lost out on our number one choice to replace him. It's a fine line and one I'm glad I'm not walking but surely at some point you say ok Ben your time is up and we go elsewhere.
That's all very true, both sides are playing the game. Both sides are taking a risk in the hope of getting the best possible deal.
Only there is no need, as I said, to say anything to Amos, no benefit to giving him a deadline, you just go ahead and sign the other keeper and THEN withdraw the offer
People are suggesting we withdraw the offer BEFORE we've signed another keeper
Depends if you prefer Amos or someone else. If you prefer someone else, then I agree with you. However, I would suspect we would prefer to keep Amos & not go down the route of looking for someone else in that position. Saying that, a GK is rather a specialist position and generally you are only really looking for 1 player for that spot and if you think your existing GK is your best bet then you might want to hang on for a while before looking elsewhere. Other positions are different & I'm still of the mindset that we cant hang around forever waiting for xxxx to decide if he fancies us, Ipswich, MK Don's or Motherwell.
This is mainly because of the saga we had with Ben Reeves. Waited weeks & weeks & weeks for him to make up his mind & he finally joined us just days before the season started. Missed pre-season so he was not fully fit & then never really got 100% up to speed. Player didnt do himself or us any favours. Players finished the season at the start of May & those out of contract knew by the end of May if they were being offered a new contract. Pre-season starts at the end of June & its good to get the majority of players in & fit to play during July. That gives any player plenty of time to mull over any offers they might have elsewhere & imo if you are still undecided come July you are either not that sought after or the deals are not worth worrying about.
On the other hand we continued to try to sign Kermorgant and eventually signed him in the middle of September. He was the missing piece of the puzzle and changed us from a playoff team into champions.
Got to judge it by each player. Reeves was a decent squad player but not someone who could transform the team.
And that's why don't you want to set artificial deadlines and limit yourself.
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Its hardly new in any new job that you are given a time in which you sign the contact/offer or the company looks elsewhere. Imagine YOUR employment. How long do you think YOUR employer/new employer would wait whilst you mulled over the different job offers you had. 2 weeks I reckon before the offer was rescinded & the company went back to their 2nd choice. Slightly different in football but still the premise applies that you can't keep employers hanging on indefinitely. If they hadn't signed by the time their contract ends on 30th June then we move on. Time to get hard with them - time for them to shit or get off the pot.
Trouble with playing hard ball is that the player can say no, if they want to take that risk, and you may then have destroyed any good will that existed.
And the more players we say no to the fewer we have to choose from. It's all very well coming over all macho but it can be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
In private I'm sure that GR, SG, NA and TS say things like "He's taking the piss here, let's look at some one else" but not in public and not to the agent or player so as not to close the door.
Because that player might decide we are the best offer and come back and say "I'll take your £1k pw over being unemployed"
As the SLP article says Gallen is speaking to them. He's negotiating.
My guess is that SG/NA are the good cops and GR/TS are the bad cops in this
Tips the focus/pressure onto the players somewhat.
He's not said he doesn't want to come back (not publicly anyway) but he hasn't signed.
The club could sign Charlie Savetheball, who's contract expired at Northernmilltown FC, tomorrow and Fred Gloves, an upcoming young keeper from Depressingcostalresort AFC on Sunday and suddenly we have two keepers and AMB goes out on loan.
When Amos rings up on Monday saying "Gaffer, I'll take the deal" Nige can say "Unemployment is brilliant, whatever you do today, and it won't be signing for Charlton, keep a smile on your face, Ben"
We'd don't need to say and we shouldn't say, until Charlie and Fred are announced on some electronic communication channel run by Charlton Athletic, that the door is closed to Amos as there is no benefit to us.
Gallen might hint at other keepers, we might leak stories about Charlie and Fred being on our radar to encourage Ben but deadlines are just that. After them the deal is dead and we've killed it.
If you want the Pompey keeper, and he is prepared to sign for x amount, which is what you want to pay him, you offer him x and if he signs you then tell Amos sorry you have had too long etc.
You don't say its the xth of June, sign or jog on.
Only there is no need, as I said, to say anything to Amos, no benefit to giving him a deadline, you just go ahead and sign the other keeper and THEN withdraw the offer
People are suggesting we withdraw the offer BEFORE we've signed another keeper
I would say no. Sign up by the start of pre-season or miss out. If you’re still around and we want you after Pre-season we’ll talk then about your reduced terms.
Declan John has rejoined Bolton after his loan spell there .
Lets get the free agent left back list out again .
Gonna be a long summer!
This is mainly because of the saga we had with Ben Reeves. Waited weeks & weeks & weeks for him to make up his mind & he finally joined us just days before the season started. Missed pre-season so he was not fully fit & then never really got 100% up to speed. Player didnt do himself or us any favours. Players finished the season at the start of May & those out of contract knew by the end of May if they were being offered a new contract. Pre-season starts at the end of June & its good to get the majority of players in & fit to play during July. That gives any player plenty of time to mull over any offers they might have elsewhere & imo if you are still undecided come July you are either not that sought after or the deals are not worth worrying about.
Got to judge it by each player. Reeves was a decent squad player but not someone who could transform the team.
Maybe its better to take another look in another 3 weeks after the Euros⚽️ & July 1st when lots of contracts end
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