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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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It will have some impact awaits does but I don’t agree the lower league market will be stagnant until Harry Kane goes.Rothko said:
It filters down, there's about £250m of potential deals in Kane, Sancho and Pope that could move this summer, and a fair bit of that, especially from say a £30m Pope deal would go down through the leagues. Spurs would spend some in the UK from any Kane money.Maccn05 said:
Maybe at the top end but I’m league one I don’t think so.Rothko said:Don't know why people are surprised its slow in a tournament summer
I don't get why it's hard to understand that money, especially spent in the Premier League, would spark business through the leagues.
I’d agree more If it was Championship players moving for big money but with the teams that went up that’s a lot of the Prem ready players gone up already Buendia as a example.
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I’m sure every team would like to be ready for pre-season, but that only has a chance of happening if planning has been carried out from the Feb onward period of the season before. Very few clubs operate that way as well.There are numerous factors at play here. The biggest I think is football in general shaking off the impact Covid has had. I still think there are a ton of clubs who are sitting on dangerously high levels of unsustainable debt, and it is only a matter of time before a few more come out the woodwork and say we can’t go on
This in turn is probably going to have a knock on effect for players being signed and sold. Clubs don’t know what the lay of the land looks like in terms of football’s ‘new normal’. By that I mean, are we going to see more sustainable wage structures. This means players who are out of contract like Aneke (as an example), will in turn wait to see if there is potentially more money on the table elsewhere. Which means the players themselves are in a dance with the clubs whilst this all plays out. I think and hope their days at the trough are gone. Not because I don’t want them to earn a living, but because they’ve been earning this living against the overall health of football in general. The lot of them are overpaid, even at this level.We’ve then got the Euros. Yes, we’re not going to be competing for anyone there, but we will be competing for youngsters from clubs above us that might sign these players. Cullen was a great example 2nd time round. We had to wait until West Ham had decided who made up their squad before we got him back.It’s all noise at the moment. Things will be progressing, and for good reason, none of us should be in the know. I think we can’t underestimate how important TS’ strict budget is. Remember, he has already laid out a shed load to acquire us in the middle of a pandemic. We definitely need to compete for better players, but we also have to accept better players may be out of our reach.It will be a mixed summer imo. We’ll get a few, lose out on a few and I doubt the team that starts the opening day won’t be the final squad NA wants.
I also wholeheartedly believe we’ll take advantage of the 5 loans again. I can’t see us refreshing the squad enough just through free transfers and signings4 -
Yep, agree, thing is was did Marshall jump or was he pushedaddick1956 said:
If so that was quick. Is Miere back ?eastterrace6168 said:0 -
Doubt he was pushed. They were probably expecting Bowyer to come in for him and were prepared.eastterrace6168 said:
Yep, agree, thing is was did Marshall jump or was he pushedaddick1956 said:
If so that was quick. Is Miere back ?eastterrace6168 said:2 -
Or maybe Marshall had indicated he would see the season out and move on once finished. Also I'm pretty sure we never actually heard a definitive answer when it came to Marshy signing a new contract after bowyer did. So.maybe it was always running out?1
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I've heard he agreed to see the season out. No reliable source mind, just a B'ham fan I work with.1
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Good video about how Moneyball really works at Brentford, for those interested. They got promoted being the biggest net sellers... sellers!.... in the Championship since their promotion from L1. And how Barnsley is also playing Moneyball now and went from promotion to 17th to 5th this season. Billy Beane consults for them, btw, since 2017. Yes, if you do it right, you can be net sellers and still get promoted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHle4G5pwrE
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Charles Clayden is very good, though maybe a touch raw.charltonbob said:
Which of the academy players do you think are ready to step up ?barstool said:I would hope they have targeted a few of the accademy players to come through this year, these will feel like new signings and I fancy a few to break through and nail down a regular place in the squad.0 -
Surely Gillingham will sell to whoever pays the highest price?EpsomAddick said:
League standing is irrelevant to them.10 -
Why didn’t you put him on the list? You can’t be selective here, it’s all or nobody 😂Dazzler21 said:I've heard he agreed to see the season out. No reliable source mind, just a B'ham fan I work with.1 -
Perhaps their CEO told their fans how amazing it is to see the future stars of the Championship play for themcarly burn said:
Surely Gillingham will sell to whoever pays the highest price?EpsomAddick said:
League standing is irrelevant to them.8 -
info came after the announcement. Mainly because I was asking what the hell Bow's doing nicking our staff!Todds_right_hook said:
Why didn’t you put him on the list? You can’t be selective here, it’s all or nobody 😂Dazzler21 said:I've heard he agreed to see the season out. No reliable source mind, just a B'ham fan I work with.0 -
So, I assume that is us out of the bidding thenRothko said:
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TS being outbid again. Useless. Do we have no ambition?8
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This is exactly the sort of player we should be after if we are going to get in Europe in 5 years. Massive lack of ambition IMO and another one we are going to miss out. Pull your fingers out lads. Tick tock /sarcasmeastterrace6168 said:
So, I assume that is us out of the bidding thenRothko said:0 -
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That makes quite literally 0 sense. Surely they just sell to the highest bidder..EpsomAddick said:6 -
It would be the player and agent who would want to play in a higher division, Gillingham would sell to a club in the same division if the club meet their price.
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On the face of it, i agree, but they are probably trying to get him out of league 1, rather not face him next seasonBraziliance said:
That makes quite literally 0 sense. Surely they just sell to the highest bidder..EpsomAddick said:0 -
Can just see the announcement now - 'Steve Gallen said on the signing of Harry Kane, "It was difficult under such a strict budget to get the deal done, but thanks to TS support and Harry really wanting to work with Adkins he decided to leave Spurs for a team with a lot more upwards potential and is ready to fire us through the 5 Year Plan, preferably in 4 years!"eastterrace6168 said:
So, I assume that is us out of the bidding thenRothko said:4 -
Knowing our luck if we signed Kane we would draw Orient in the cup and Prats would break his legs in the first 2 mins lol1
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Isn't that the formula for happiness?thenewbie said:AddicksAddict said:
Which is what, actually? Rumours or the history of the USSR? I admit, I'm lost.AFKABartram said:
I keep deleting them Beds because I don’t understand why you, Henry and others want to ‘out’ someone, particularly when they are posting nothing wrong or controversial. We as moderators know who a poster is and are happy for him to post, so that should be that.Bedsaddick said:
Careful. When I said that earlier in the week I got censored but you are right , it’s definitely him .blackpool72 said:
Yep.Henry Irving said:Thanks Colin
It's definitely himThe Thanks Colin stuff was 7, 8 years ago and whilst amusing at the time, should now be left there please.Now let’s get back to the purpose of the thread.
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Callumcafc said:TS being outbid again. Useless. Do we have no ambition?
He is saving up for Rooney.
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I'd rather have RodneyNapaAddick said:Callumcafc said:TS being outbid again. Useless. Do we have no ambition?
He is saving up for Rooney.3 -
Maybe Harry would see us as a 'project', like Chris Wilder did...1
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from what I've heard on "The Price of Football" podcast (Kieran Macguire) the player you want to acquire needs to have International/Champions League pedigree to be allowed into UK.Below is Guardian 28th Dec '20 articleVfrf said:Henry Irving said:
Not nonsense at all.Vfrf said:Henry Irving said:
Can't get work permits now due to b*e*Simonsen said:Khaled Narey available (just released by Hamburg, who are having a re-build). Decent Bundesliga 2 right-winger/right wing-back. Works hard, pretty quick, not flashy, very decent shot.
Wonder if we even look at foreign players now?
Nonsense, if we are happy to sponsor their visa they'd almost certainly get a work permit. Especially the wages a Charlton player would earn. Brexit isn't a closed door...
Not making a political point, it's just a fact.
EU players had no need for visa prior to Brexit, now they do.
Only international players from top countries would have a chance to get visas and it would be hard to justify that players of similar ability weren't available from the UK for a league one club.
It's no different to the situation for non-EU players before 2016
"However, many current Championship players would not meet the new criteria and, whilst the majority of League One and League Two and Women’s Championship players are UK or Irish nationals, prospective recruits from abroad will be unlikely to obtain an endorsement."
https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/publications/brexit-new-immigration-rules-for-football-players-are-you-ready-for-the-january-transfer-window/?utm_source=Mondaq&utm_medium=syndication&utm_campaign=LinkedIn-integrationfferenceThe majority of your article was focused on the January 21 window as temporary measures due to the changes before adopting a more wholistic approach. As the article states clubs apply for a sponsorship licence which will be a T2 six-year sponsorship or a T5 temporary 12 month sponsorship (loans). Any club within the top four divisions of English football can apply for a license.It may be more difficult to sign an unknown 2nd divison Danish medfielder maybe, but for a Ronnie Schwartz with plenty of minutes under his belt in a top European league - are likely to get sponsored.I'm sorry but it's naive to assume that there won't be a flow of international players outside of Premier League/Top 6 Championship. With a club as reputable as Charlton, sponsorship won't be the challenge especially as I said above, with the wages we'll be offering which will easily hit the threshold for employment sponsorship.
"It is likely, though, that clubs in the EFL will feel an effect and particularly those in the Championship, such as Brentford or Norwich City, who have built models around acquiring talented players from obscure places. Bryan Mbeumo, the Brentford forward who is one of the best players in the Championship, came from the French second division with only limited first-team appearances and youth international caps. He would not have got a permit, as would have been the case with the Norwich striker Teemu Pukki as Finland fall outside the Fifa top 50 and his former club, Brøndby, compete in the Danish league, a band 5 competition".
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/28/football-and-brexit-a-guide-to-the-new-rules
So I am scratching my head as to how "the minister of shooting" got here, and I have no explanation. He gets points for appearing in a top 50 league(as ranked by FA and EFL), and points for number of appearances. I think that makes 12 its but he needs 15. So maybe thats where these licences come in that VfrF mentions, another route entirely? he seems very knowledgeable. Is he Steve Gallen in disguise?0
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