Dobson is a Jones player. He's dynamic, aggressive and has a good engine. He gets into opposition players' faces and has started popping up further up the pitch where he can be involved with goals and assists. The question now is at what point he becomes too expensive and whether a good alternative can be found for less. Going by what's been said we will have to pay £600k to get him in the door and offer him a new contract that is higher than what we would like to pay. I don't know what he's asking for but if he's too expensive in both areas that's a problem. However if we can't replace him for less or an equivalent amount then by definition he's good value. Jones wants him to stay but if he's presented with an alternative who he likes as much and can get extra players of his choosing with the amount of budget saved in not pushing through an expensive transfer for Dobson, then have fun in Hungary George. At this point it's really dependent on the availability of an alternative that the manager wants.
Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if he hadn’t signed that contract with them in February… still don’t know why he did it if he in fact didn’t actually want to go.
He would have a much wider pick of clubs now as well but he’s backed himself into a corner.
*Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if the club had offered him what he deserves in January, instead of not making him feel wanted and accepting a transfer offer for him
Turning around and signing for a club that you apparently don’t fancy actually playing for (according to some on here) is a bit of an extreme overreaction isn’t it? Bit like changing your hair color after breaking up with an ex…
Why wouldn’t he have waited to see what his options are in the summer window where he can probably squeeze a nice signing on fee out of it too?
Of course, everyone could still be wrong: perhaps he’s looking forward to the move & he doesn’t want to say that in case it upsets people who are still clinging on to a hope that he stays.
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Dobson is a Jones player. He's dynamic, aggressive and has a good engine. He gets into opposition players' faces and has started popping up further up the pitch where he can be involved with goals and assists. The question now is at what point he becomes too expensive and whether a good alternative can be found for less. Going by what's been said we will have to pay £600k to get him in the door and offer him a new contract that is higher than what we would like to pay. I don't know what he's asking for but if he's too expensive in both areas that's a problem. However if we can't replace him for less or an equivalent amount then by definition he's good value. Jones wants him to stay but if he's presented with an alternative who he likes as much and can get extra players of his choosing with the amount of budget saved in not pushing through an expensive transfer for Dobson, then have fun in Hungary George. At this point it's really dependent on the availability of an alternative that the manager wants.
Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if he hadn’t signed that contract with them in February… still don’t know why he did it if he in fact didn’t actually want to go.
He would have a much wider pick of clubs now as well but he’s backed himself into a corner.
*Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if the club had offered him what he deserves in January, instead of not making him feel wanted and accepting a transfer offer for him
Turning around and signing for a club that you apparently don’t fancy actually playing for (according to some on here) is a bit of an extreme overreaction isn’t it? Bit like changing your hair color after breaking up with an ex…
Why wouldn’t he have waited to see what his options are in the summer window where he can probably squeeze a nice signing on fee out of it too?
Of course, everyone could still be wrong: perhaps he’s looking forward to the move & he doesn’t want to say that in case it upsets people who are still clinging on to a hope that he stays.
There’s no compensation so I’m sure the signing on fee is the same for this move as it would be a summer move.
Jake Forster-Caskey once waited for his options and did his ACL right at the end of the season. That could happen to any footballer.
Dobson was probably offered a financially good deal and a multi-year contract, and the motivation for signing it was probably financial security for himself and his family. He’d have probably preferred to stay with us but the offer wasn’t good enough so he took an offer that was
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
It’s not quite the same point though. I said by ‘any English clubs’, not specifically Charlton.
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
It’s not quite the same point though. I said by ‘any English clubs’, not specifically Charlton.
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
An English club in January would have had to pay a fee for him so may not have been interested in January. But Dobson will probably have wanted things sorted asap for his own security
Why should Dobson have to risk unemployment on the chance that we do a 180 or another English club comes in with the same offer? He did what a lot of players would do, take the higher offer you have now, acting in his best personal interests. I don’t really see how you can criticise him for that, especially when at the time the club was clearly not making him feel wanted
You can argue that Scott was right to not overpay him, (it sounds like if Jones had been here earlier we might have paid it), but I don’t think you can blame Dobson for signing the best contract he had in front of him
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
It’s not quite the same point though. I said by ‘any English clubs’, not specifically Charlton.
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
An English club in January would have had to pay a fee for him so may not have been interested in January. But Dobson will probably have wanted things sorted asap for his own security
Why should Dobson have to risk unemployment on the chance that we do a 180 or another English club comes in with the same offer? He did what a lot of players would do, take the higher offer you have now, acting in his best personal interests. I don’t really see how you can criticise him for that, especially when at the time the club was clearly not making him feel wanted
We all know he would’ve got a deal somewhere, at the very least he had an offer here and maybe a bit better elsewhere.
I am not blaming Dobson for securing his finances. I am saying he shouldn’t have done it if he didn’t really want to go there in the first place. The latter is still speculation and it’s what the entire point is based around.
If you didn’t want to go, don’t sign the contract. 🤷♂️
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
It’s not quite the same point though. I said by ‘any English clubs’, not specifically Charlton.
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
An English club in January would have had to pay a fee for him so may not have been interested in January. But Dobson will probably have wanted things sorted asap for his own security
Why should Dobson have to risk unemployment on the chance that we do a 180 or another English club comes in with the same offer? He did what a lot of players would do, take the higher offer you have now, acting in his best personal interests. I don’t really see how you can criticise him for that, especially when at the time the club was clearly not making him feel wanted
We all know he would’ve got a deal somewhere, at the very least he had an offer here and maybe a bit better elsewhere.
I am not blaming Dobson for securing his finances. I am saying he shouldn’t have done it if he didn’t really want to go there in the first place. The latter is still speculation and it’s what the entire point is based around.
If you didn’t want to go, don’t sign the contract. 🤷♂️
I think it’s obvious for me that he is happy to go there, but if he had the same offer from Charlton he would have stayed here
I don’t think he doesn’t want to go, just that his number 1 option would have been staying here
If the speculation is correct, Dobbo is being paid well below a number of his team mates who have shown nothing at all to warrant their own wages. You might think that Scott was trying to do the best for the club in capping a wage increase, but I’m sure none of us are happy when we know we’re carrying colleagues week in week out, yet you’re the captain and shouldering the majority of the workload, on a fraction of their salaries.
Dobbo was made to feel like he had no future under Scott & Appleton. For whatever reason, his agent came up with nothing other than a club in Hungary to offer him a deal. Since Covid, a huge number of players have seen themselves unemployed as contracts end and clubs trimmed their squads. That one contract offered him some security for his family. Perhaps he could have held off, but that’s always a risk. Had he known Jones was coming in and giving him his full backing, we wouldn’t be in this position.
Scott is the issue here. The overall quality of his signings, including Appleton, is atrocious. His position should be untenable & his judgement is not to be trusted.
Andy Scott didn’t put a gun to his head and make him sign a pre-contract agreement from which Charlton will get no benefit… he either did it because he wants to play in Hungary, or because the financial incentive was big enough that it was unlikely to be matched by any English clubs that would’ve been interested this summer.
Yes that’s the point I’m making, our offer clearly wasn’t good enough. Scott didn’t value him as highly as Dobson thought he should be valued.
Nathan Jones clearly disagrees with Scott
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
It’s not quite the same point though. I said by ‘any English clubs’, not specifically Charlton.
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
An English club in January would have had to pay a fee for him so may not have been interested in January. But Dobson will probably have wanted things sorted asap for his own security
Why should Dobson have to risk unemployment on the chance that we do a 180 or another English club comes in with the same offer? He did what a lot of players would do, take the higher offer you have now, acting in his best personal interests. I don’t really see how you can criticise him for that, especially when at the time the club was clearly not making him feel wanted
We all know he would’ve got a deal somewhere, at the very least he had an offer here and maybe a bit better elsewhere.
I am not blaming Dobson for securing his finances. I am saying he shouldn’t have done it if he didn’t really want to go there in the first place. The latter is still speculation and it’s what the entire point is based around.
If you didn’t want to go, don’t sign the contract. 🤷♂️
I think it’s obvious for me that he is happy to go there, but if he had the same offer from Charlton he would have stayed here
I don’t think he doesn’t want to go, just that his number 1 option would have been staying here
Dobson is a Jones player. He's dynamic, aggressive and has a good engine. He gets into opposition players' faces and has started popping up further up the pitch where he can be involved with goals and assists. The question now is at what point he becomes too expensive and whether a good alternative can be found for less. Going by what's been said we will have to pay £600k to get him in the door and offer him a new contract that is higher than what we would like to pay. I don't know what he's asking for but if he's too expensive in both areas that's a problem. However if we can't replace him for less or an equivalent amount then by definition he's good value. Jones wants him to stay but if he's presented with an alternative who he likes as much and can get extra players of his choosing with the amount of budget saved in not pushing through an expensive transfer for Dobson, then have fun in Hungary George. At this point it's really dependent on the availability of an alternative that the manager wants.
Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if he hadn’t signed that contract with them in February… still don’t know why he did it if he in fact didn’t actually want to go.
He would have a much wider pick of clubs now as well but he’s backed himself into a corner.
*Yep - this would all be so much less complicated if the club had offered him what he deserves in January, instead of not making him feel wanted and accepting a transfer offer for him
What he *thinks* he deserves. We don't know what he was offered or what he was asking. There comes a point where a player stops being good value and we don't know what he asked for then or what he's asking for now. It's interesting that Jones now wants to keep him clearly but Dobson reckons us and him are still quite far apart with the latest offer. Is he asking for more again or are we offering the same as we did before? It's very easy to blame Scott at this point but we're doing it without access to knowledge of what the offers are and what the budget is. If we're looking to improve all over the pitch next season can we afford to overpay Dobson in our midfield? Depends on the alternatives and what's being asked. I don't think there's really anyone apart from those directly involved who can honestly be painted as completely in the wrong with incomplete information.
When did this forum become so out of step with the rest of the fanbase
We just got old mate.
The 20 to 40 somethings of days gone by are now 40 to 60 somethings. The fanbase is getting older, but any newer/younger fans aren't going to spend as much time on here because they're too busy with TikTok and YouTibe videos being fed to them by their phones. They don't want to read much, but certainly not the views of some old boy banging on about how great it was in the Premier League, back in the days of analogue TVs and no internet.
And to be honest, just reading this thread for 5 minutes, I can understand why!
Jeez can we please stop insulting George Dobson’s’ intelligence? None of us know what the Hungarian offer is - do we? People rarely relocate overseas without the prospect of notably better financial, career, life opportunities than those available in their domestic market.
There is a huge difference between the theory of it all and having real money on the table and just your signature away.
Facts? Facts you say? Manic Mania has it right.
Why do some believe CAFC has any right to interfere with Dobson’s contractual agreement with Fehervar? Unless UEFA/ Fehervar are legally incompetent- it doesnt.
Did we not establish pre contract agreements under UEFA, the industry authority, are binding to the extent of the undertakings & contract details therein? We know no detail but a standard template would normally specifically preclude everyone from entering into any related discussions with anyone, without all contracted parties consent.
Why do some believe you can enter into a binding agreement and then think you can try to find “better” terms elsewhere? Dobson’s responsibilities are governed by the signed pre contract. Charltons’ responsibilities are governed by its obligations to the FA/ UEFA. Clubs are not allowed to induce players to break binding industry contracts.
CAFC has every right to talk to George concerning his current employment.
CAFC can, like any club, approach Fehervar for consent. Fehervar are under no obligation to agree.
Any “never say never” belief can only arise a) from Dobson raising legal challenge to the agreement or reopening talks with Fehervar. b) No club would be wise committing notable long term resource enforcing recruitment of a player no longer committed to the opportunity.
[I suggest normal transfer fee remuneration expectation would be entirely misplaced]
After 112 pages of semi circular debate can we not for once put ourselves in both parties position to address the missing element.
Ladies & gentleman what are you paying GD? £6k? £8k? £10k? a week for 156 weeks? In making your offer, if Fehervar have offered comparable weekly pay, what additional “post code” compensation will you pay to match Hungarian tax/ purchasing power benefits?
I offer a few links which may help your “ballpark” calculations.
These are the numbers the club will have needed to consider in February
What opportunities will such funds offer the club in the imminent transfer window.
Once Dobson signed the agreement, such figures have to then be viewed alongside any compensation payment to Fehervar and their recruitment agent.
Of further note Dobson, in moving to the Hungarian league with I believe 33 games in a 12 team division, reduces his League workload and physical wear & tear by 1/3rd
I have made my view clear on Dobson but there is and always was more than one equation to be considered. It is not a sacking offence.
Where ever Mr Dobson is plying his trade in the 2024/25 season I wish him the best of good fortune. He most certainly delivered to his current contract.
Where has this 600k figure come from that is now being taken as gospel?
I think that £600,000 or so would be the sum the Hungarians will be asking for, with around 3 to £400,000 being the final sum agreed. Pure guess work by me of course but fairly realistic I think.
I heard a 7 figure money for this transfer, from our side. I already wrote this, but nobody beleived this from this thread.
When did this forum become so out of step with the rest of the fanbase
I think it's because the majority on CL don't regularly attend nearly all the Charlton games and certainly not the aways. It's easier to feel the man love in real life than watching on a screen or not watching at all.
1) George Dobson will be silly to go to Hungary, it won’t help his career and his family won’t like it there 2) Charlton will not be able to replace him for £3-400k , so stupid as it seems they should pay the Hungarian club the money to keep him.
Heard the Dobson interview and I think it’s far from a done deal . In fact I’d be surprised if he went to Hungary now .
No, it is very much a done deal.
The questions now is whether Charlton are willing to do ANOTHER deal to buy Dobson from the Hungarian club who hold his registration and offer Dobson a contract big enough for him to want to return to Charlton.
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Of course, everyone could still be wrong: perhaps he’s looking forward to the move & he doesn’t want to say that in case it upsets people who are still clinging on to a hope that he stays.
Scott is the one to blame here, not Dobson for accepting the better offer and wanting security rather than risking being out of contract. The club didn’t offer him as much as he wanted and then accepted a transfer offer for him, he didn’t put a gun to his head but he definitely pushed him towards it
Perhaps his agents advice, given that no EFL teams seemed to want to buy him in January, was that Charlton’s offer was likely to be as good as he could expect from a club in England.
If no other club in this country wants to pay the amount he feels he’s worth then why should we take a leap and overpay? For sentiment?
Key line from the interview for me is:
“I have no regrets on my behalf. I do think it could have been handled better by Charlton, but that’s football.”
Thanks for your time here and good luck with the move.
I am not blaming Dobson for securing his finances. I am saying he shouldn’t have done it if he didn’t really want to go there in the first place. The latter is still speculation and it’s what the entire point is based around.
If you didn’t want to go, don’t sign the contract. 🤷♂️
Dobbo was made to feel like he had no future under Scott & Appleton. For whatever reason, his agent came up with nothing other than a club in Hungary to offer him a deal. Since Covid, a huge number of players have seen themselves unemployed as contracts end and clubs trimmed their squads. That one contract offered him some security for his family. Perhaps he could have held off, but that’s always a risk. Had he known Jones was coming in and giving him his full backing, we wouldn’t be in this position.
clear em all out and start again with Sir Chris Powell in charge 😳
The 20 to 40 somethings of days gone by are now 40 to 60 somethings. The fanbase is getting older, but any newer/younger fans aren't going to spend as much time on here because they're too busy with TikTok and YouTibe videos being fed to them by their phones. They don't want to read much, but certainly not the views of some old boy banging on about how great it was in the Premier League, back in the days of analogue TVs and no internet.
And to be honest, just reading this thread for 5 minutes, I can understand why!
It's easier to feel the man love in real life than watching on a screen or not watching at all.
2) Charlton will not be able to replace him for £3-400k , so stupid as it seems they should pay the Hungarian club the money to keep him.
The questions now is whether Charlton are willing to do ANOTHER deal to buy Dobson from the Hungarian club who hold his registration and offer Dobson a contract big enough for him to want to return to Charlton.