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Verdicts on the Bond film?(Danger spoiler alert)
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Amazon now own 50% of the James Bond rights following their purchase of MGM so we can possibly expect the next iteration of Bond to be on Amazon in series form in some way. There's plenty of scope for this, whether it's putting him back into the 1950s or whatever. it feels about right. Until about 20 years ago if you wanted to see a film set in about 4 different glamourous countries and actually filmed there, if you wanted to see two blokes fighting in a train, if you wanted clever gadgets you HAD to wait for the next Bond. Now you can enjoy a Bourne or a MI or whatever.
NTTD is a good film, maybe one too many gunfights and the woman in the Cuba scene would be a recurring character in the old Bond model.
Saw it at Leicester Square at midday, cost a bit more but no tossers making a nuisance of themselves.
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Note to self, read subject title more closely… Anyhow, not seen it yet, still looking forward to it, but if indeed Craig’s Bond is dead, it would appear MGM/Amazon are going down the re-boot/prequel route for more James Bond stories (taking into account the post credits message). So many franchises do it nowadays, it shouldn’t probably matter, but hope it is new story prequel missions related rather than reboots of Moonraker etc.
007 In New York (1963) is the only remaining Fleming story not to be referenced so far in any official film, but it’s a pretty sh*t title, so will unlikely ever see the light of day. It’s got a Muppets in Manhattan feel to it ffs…
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Having been bombarded with Bond film repeats on limited terrestrial TV during the 70s and 80s especially at Christmas, I was pleased to read here that the character is dead at last.
Now I read that he may come back as a prequel.
Good God - it's like draining every last drop out of a 60 year old teabag.
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Like the memories of the British Empire, that 60 year old teabag will keep on for another generation or two yet.
At least most of our other empire canon are firmly rooted in the past. No danger of the woeful adaptation of The Far Side of the World and Master Commander going longer than the Peter O’Brien books and was so bad didn’t even get that far.
Sharpe and Hornblower did ok as TV.
probably due some more Arthur C Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Heinlein etc based films, oh and a decent Anne McCarthey set of films/tv series has some mileage in it.
But Bond has provided a lot of fun, some good films, some that look dated, some bad films but the Broccoli family have heard really done ok and the recent Craig films have competed well against Tom Cruise (including his mission impossible franchise) and Matt Damon’s Jason Bourne.Not everyone’s cup of Oohlong, but still elements to be admired even for those who prefer Silver Needle as their cha of choice.2 -
Opening a thread called ‘Verdicts on the new Bond film’ then sulking because it contains discussion of the film is classic CL.8
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Obviously the Covid part is a coincident then!JiMMy 85 said:Sammy you have complained about the similarities to Covid twice now, so it’s worth pointing out this film was written in 2018/19. Also, I don’t understand that bit about an “order to the films”. This is the final part of a five-part reboot. This Bond was the only incarnation to have consistent sequels and an ongoing arc.He was either going to settle down and quit the game (a la The Dark Knight Rises), or die. He’d already quit the game a couple of times in those five movies which implied he wasn’t able to truly retire. So a heroic death seemed like an obvious turn.They packed in so much, including spending a chunk of the film tying up the Spectre stuff, so it didn’t leave a huge amount of time to develop the new villain and his nefarious plan (which, honestly, I’ve already forgotten).Still, there’s a lot to like in there, I’m keen to see it again.
May have missed it, but when was it ever a 5 part reboot? Appreciate the arc etc, but with the films all being somewhat standalone , they always ran in a certain order - usually regarding the release date etc! Essentially that order is now null & void?With talk of prequels, how can this be ‘so’ if there is no order to the filmsBut like Star Wars films, there was (and always will be) some sort of order to them, with prequels etc of course placing them in the order etc - something the bond films always tended to have!
the ‘die or retire’ part surely can only be used in reference to these 5 films? That was always the beauty of bond , he may have ‘supposed’ to be 50 odd but he could/would get involved again!Personally preference etc of course, just thought this ending and film was more about seeing Daniel Craig off rather than keeping bond necessary/alive and enabling it to carry on for future viewers0 -
I don't think they ever planned five parts, but they certainly made a conscious decision to make Bond a new 00 agent in Casino Royale and show him becoming more jaded and worn as the films went on. It was ultimately a reboot of the franchise. They have never done this with the movies before. The previous movies were very loosely connected, if at all (there as almost no order to them beyond time period and the very occasional call back to a gadget or villain). So changing actors was easy.sammy391 said:
Obviously the Covid part is a coincident then!JiMMy 85 said:Sammy you have complained about the similarities to Covid twice now, so it’s worth pointing out this film was written in 2018/19. Also, I don’t understand that bit about an “order to the films”. This is the final part of a five-part reboot. This Bond was the only incarnation to have consistent sequels and an ongoing arc.He was either going to settle down and quit the game (a la The Dark Knight Rises), or die. He’d already quit the game a couple of times in those five movies which implied he wasn’t able to truly retire. So a heroic death seemed like an obvious turn.They packed in so much, including spending a chunk of the film tying up the Spectre stuff, so it didn’t leave a huge amount of time to develop the new villain and his nefarious plan (which, honestly, I’ve already forgotten).Still, there’s a lot to like in there, I’m keen to see it again.
May have missed it, but when was it ever a 5 part reboot? Appreciate the arc etc, but with the films all being somewhat standalone , they always ran in a certain order - usually regarding the release date etc! Essentially that order is now null & void?With talk of prequels, how can this be ‘so’ if there is no order to the filmsBut like Star Wars films, there was (and always will be) some sort of order to them, with prequels etc of course placing them in the order etc - something the bond films always tended to have!
the ‘die or retire’ part surely can only be used in reference to these 5 films? That was always the beauty of bond , he may have ‘supposed’ to be 50 odd but he could/would get involved again!Personally preference etc of course, just thought this ending and film was more about seeing Daniel Craig off rather than keeping bond necessary/alive and enabling it to carry on for future viewers
EON/ the Broccolis knew they had to go in a connected-series direction, and couldn't get away with standalone, unrelated adventures anymore. Audiences - particularly on the internet - want to see connections. What I find interesting about that is that Sean Connery was supposed to be the old geezer in Skyfall but he turned it down. The idea was that 'James Bond' would indeed turn out to be a code name that is shared throughout the generations. When he refused to be a part of it, they went the complete other way and cemented Bond as the orphan from Scotland. So the existence of the Aston Martin in his garage in Skyfall is one of many things that made no fucking sense.
Had they stuck to their guns, the next incarnation of Bond would be easier to introduce. But now they have to find a new way of rebooting the franchise, in a way they haven't had to before, and I have no idea how they will do that.
It's very similar to the Spider-Man issue - when Feige got his hands on Spider-Man, he didn't want to do yet another origin story. They dumped the Uncle Ben stuff because we've seen it before. Can they do another cocky young Bond reboot again? Or will they have to go further back, to when Bond was in the army or whatever?
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You went straight ahead and chucked in the main spoiler to the film . That was just stupid and not the done thing anywhere when discussing films that have just been released . You can give a verdict without giving plot spoilers but you’ve done it now and I hope you didn’t spoil it for too many people before I asked the original poster to put spoilers on the title of the thread .Uboat said:Opening a thread called ‘Verdicts on the new Bond film’ then sulking because it contains discussion of the film is classic CL.9 - Sponsored links:
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Master and Commander was great.Alwaysneil said:Like the memories of the British Empire, that 60 year old teabag will keep on for another generation or two yet.
At least most of our other empire canon are firmly rooted in the past. No danger of the woeful adaptation of The Far Side of the World and Master Commander going longer than the Peter O’Brien books and was so bad didn’t even get that far.
Sharpe and Hornblower did ok as TV.
probably due some more Arthur C Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Heinlein etc based films, oh and a decent Anne McCarthey set of films/tv series has some mileage in it.
But Bond has provided a lot of fun, some good films, some that look dated, some bad films but the Broccoli family have heard really done ok and the recent Craig films have competed well against Tom Cruise (including his mission impossible franchise) and Matt Damon’s Jason Bourne.Not everyone’s cup of Oohlong, but still elements to be admired even for those who prefer Silver Needle as their cha of choice.3 -
Saw it this afternoon - absolutely superb. Daniel Craig is right up there with the best ever Bonds - probably never to be bettered.
Just a brilliant film and a great way for him to bow out.4 -
I love all Bond films but one thing that doesn't tie them together is reality so surely the new Bond will start off as he means to go and as if he hadn't been killed.0
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Damn. You caught me red-handed, lol.Uboat said:Opening a thread called ‘Verdicts on the new Bond film’ then sulking because it contains discussion of the film is classic CL.
If I were to sulk it would be because it's popular and I was hoping that everyone says it's shit. I hate all the other 'franchises' that have been mentioned too. I think a franchise of even Supergran would beat them all.0 -
Of course . They can easily start again . New Bond new era .MuttleyCAFC said:I love all Bond films but one thing that doesn't tie them together is reality so surely the new Bond will start off as he means to go and as if he hadn't been killed.0 -
Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.4
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Think Daniel Craig has been the best Bond, great film disappointing baddie4
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He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.0 -
Erm….Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.0 -
Excellent film and a decent ending, will watch again when on Netflicks or Amazon. Loved that old Land Rover he drove.0
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That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.1 -
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.1 -
Just got back from watching it, thankfully the audience was compliant and phones were kept off and gobs were left closed
Ana De Armas was awesome in her scenes, Daniel Craig head and shoulders the best ever Bond for me, lots or people with stuff in their eyes in the cinema including my missus. The whole thing with 007 was funny and Ben Whishaw continued to be a wonderful foil as Q. Rami Malek was so so as a buddy, daft accent, distant mental eyes and of course some scarring.
Loved the film, ended the sequence of the last 5 films and for me only Quantum of Solace was a dud. Casino Royale, No time to die and Skyfall were all outstanding5 -
You don't get continuity in Bond films. Blofeld was killed by Roger Moore, during the opening scenes of For Your Eyes Only.
I think they will go back to Commander Bond leaving the Navy and being recruited in to MI6, which would be before where Casino Royale began.2 -
Well if JB can escape death in that last scene then it’s ridiculous. No way that’s either survivable or a faked death.Hal1x said:
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.0 -
It was all a dreamShootersHillGuru said:
Well if JB can escape death in that last scene then it’s ridiculous. No way that’s either survivable or a faked death.Hal1x said:
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.0 -
It won’t happen. They killed him. They will reboot. The challenge is finding a way to reboot it in a way that won’t just repeat what they’ve just done. It’s one of the biggest challenges they’ve ever had with Bond. It was easy to change actor when there was no continuity. And even easier to go from Die Another Day to Casino Royale.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if JB can escape death in that last scene then it’s ridiculous. No way that’s either survivable or a faked death.Hal1x said:
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.5 -
Used to read word up magazine, salt n pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine.Bedsaddick said:
It was all a dreamShootersHillGuru said:
Well if JB can escape death in that last scene then it’s ridiculous. No way that’s either survivable or a faked death.Hal1x said:
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.0 -
Challenge is really on for the next director and scriptwriters, this boot or cycle was excellent and had a huge kick up the arse from the makers of the Bourne filmsJiMMy 85 said:
It won’t happen. They killed him. They will reboot. The challenge is finding a way to reboot it in a way that won’t just repeat what they’ve just done. It’s one of the biggest challenges they’ve ever had with Bond. It was easy to change actor when there was no continuity. And even easier to go from Die Another Day to Casino Royale.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if JB can escape death in that last scene then it’s ridiculous. No way that’s either survivable or a faked death.Hal1x said:
could be the same againShootersHillGuru said:
That was a faked death as part of the storyline. Am I being whooshed ?Hal1x said:
He died in You Only Live Twice, machine gunned on a bed that retracted into the wall, so...ShootersHillGuru said:Enjoyed the film immensely. Thought three hours went very quickly. Certainly quicker than 90 minutes watching Charlton. My problem is that James Bond is dead. That’s dead. 007 isn’t of course. We were reminded twice that it’s just a number. How can M, Q, Miss Moneypenny continue as if nothing has happened. They toasted to his memory. For me, if 007 is coming back as James Bond then something very drastic has to happen to reboot the franchise. They’ve got to try something completely new. Not just what they did when previous incarnations of Bond changed actors. We’ve never had to face that James Bond is dead and accept he’s suddenly back looking different. Confused. Thought the young black actress playing 007 would be a disaster if the idea is to continue with her. No credibility in the character at all. Heard suggestions that Amazon might be considering a series rather than blockbusters. That too would be a disaster.
Daniel Craig also played the role perfectly, snarky, cold, but also humorous and charming as well as being a double hard bastard.
I dont feel a particular affinity to the bond franchise as such beyond the last lot from casino royale onwards being excellent cinematic events, beautifully shot, proper big screen cinema stuff all embraced. I don’t care if the next set of films feature a black actor playing James Bond or a white actor, clearly the character is male but I think these last films did all that could be done with the character and gave him a proper arc and as cool as Sean Connery was he is second to Daniel Craig now1 -
Saw it last night (after being caught out by the ‘spoiler’ in this thread). Enjoyed it but would put it firmly in the middle of the pack of the 5 Craig films. Casino Royale tops the list.1
