I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
With the answer being Jackson given time.
Hope so, I’m not convinced yet, all depends if he manages a set of players he can influence, the lot we have at the moment are going through managers like a dose of salts!!
This has all the same feelings as that 10/11 season where Powell took over halfway through. Poor defending, toothless in attack, a team drifting towards a lower mid table finish.
We know what happened in 11/12 but we didn't just fluke our way into it. Who are we identifying as next season's Hamer, Morrison, Wiggins, Hollands, Stephens and Kermorgant?
The upcoming summer window will be huge for our club.
We've been saying this for nearly 18 months now.
Make or break the next window as to whether we'll have a chance of promotion in next 3-5 years.
Some big clubs down here now top half will be like a mini championship soon enough. Our squad has struggled to compete with Crewe and Cheltenham and are below accrington Stanley and Burton Albion.
Having a comparatively big stadium and fanbase and an historically "natural" position a league above counts for less and less with each season we spend down here and gravity of time in this league will make it easier to head one way (down).
Before first game of the season we will know if we've done enough to stop the ongoing decay and it'll be evident even sooner as soon as the window opens and we see who stays, goes and comes in and in time for a proper pre season.
No instability excuses or new manager bedding in (we hope) albeit we had the same luxury last summer and blundered it.
Massive window and pre season prep coming up and arguably most important in recent history for how it'll likely shape next 3- 5 years.
Agree it’s a pivotal period in the Sandgaard era.
He will have been here 2 years, it will be his 4th window, he will be armed with everything he’s seen, heard and learnt and buoyed by the Burstow windfall.
I’m not expecting us to walk to the title but if TS is a good as he thinks he is there can be no excuse to not be in the playoff mix.
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
JJ was never a fresh start he was Assistant Manager under Adkins and Bowyer before that.
These players seem like a group of mercenaries who get manager after manager sacked while still ensuring they get get paid and get new contracts, Thomas so far has changed the managers but not the team.
Things seem pretty messy behind the scenes (including with Jackson’s contract). Feels like the club needs some real leadership, on and off the pitch. Sandgaard being a good bloke with our best interests at heart won’t solve all of our problems.
JJ looks a broken man in the Charlton TV interview, bags under his eyes, body language not good
I have heard the same thing from a first team player.
Without giving away too much information, you able to say why that is the case?
Was a few weeks back, sounded like JJ’s heads dropped and it’s noticeable.
If true then he needs to change occupation. All teams go through bad patches the Managers job is too lift the players and turn things around. Feeling sorry for yourself isnt a good trait for a football manager to have
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Seriously. I hardly think bringing in Annek (can't play 2 games a week) to paper over the big crack of not having proper cover for Stockley (injured) in the first place. Plus 1 decent signing Fraser (out with covid) and 2 young loan signings that haven't really featured is 'backing the manager'.
Not positive reaction. Of course not, he has taken us out of the bottom 4 where we looked destined to stay before he came in and got us out of trouble.
Those who want a thresh start should apply that thinking to the dead playing squad. Its riddled with dead wood, players here for a last pension pay off and players that play when they think they need to for the next short term contract.
Its misplaced belief that the squad is top billing by Sandgaard and it wouldn't surprise me if JFH isn't still in the back of his mind. I think I will stick with JJ thanks, and I was critical of him as part of the Adkins era.
JJ looks a broken man in the Charlton TV interview, bags under his eyes, body language not good
Exactly my first thought when seeing both his pre and post match interviews. He didn't look well.
@J BlOCK says above he has heard the same from a player.
If this is the case, how on earth has he got so down after only a few months in the job? Is he really that worried that TS won't renew his contract for next season?
I want JJ to be here next season and succeed. But seriously if the job is making him that ill after only a few months for the sake of his health and his family he should seriously think about walking away. Wrecking his health for this job is just not worth it.
Completely agree, this far the players seem to have been backed more than the manager, I can’t tell if JJ is the right manager or not but Thomas definitely needs to clear out a lot of this first team.
JJ looks a broken man in the Charlton TV interview, bags under his eyes, body language not good
I have heard the same thing from a first team player.
Any reason for this? Ie is it a case of the stress of managing as a full time job and not happy with the step up from less pressured assistant?
Or is there more too it off the field- wise either in a personal or CAFC-related capacity.
Whilst our league position and season's prospects are shite, he's not done terribly with the squad he has at his disposal particularly picking them up as he did after the Adkins era. and surely has done enough bar a cataclysmic end to the season to warrant being in situ come august.
Seems odd to be so burnt out just based on current performances which whilst far from ideal should be taken in the context of the wider season and also some great results and performances still such as Portsmouth.
Things seem pretty messy behind the scenes (including with Jackson’s contract). Feels like the club needs some real leadership, on and off the pitch. Sandgaard being a good bloke with our best interests at heart won’t solve all of our problems.
He could do worse than get Peter Varney and Alan Curbishley in to run the club and the football on the day to day basis.
If he did that he could still get the hero worship for doing his money on us but not have all the criticism as it would be done by Varney and Curbs with Jacko.
Seems an obvious way to turn the club around and a no brainer.
Things seem pretty messy behind the scenes (including with Jackson’s contract). Feels like the club needs some real leadership, on and off the pitch. Sandgaard being a good bloke with our best interests at heart won’t solve all of our problems.
He could do worse than get Peter Varney and Alan Curbishley in to run the club and the football on the day to day basis.
If he did that he could still get the hero worship for doing his money on us but not have all the criticism as it would be done by Varney and Curbs with Jacko.
Seems an obvious way to turn the club around and a no brainer.
Get the old band back together Tommy!
I also think Jacko could do unless he's already done it or doing it should have a chat with Curbs and Powell and they can give him some support. Curbs was very good at not panicking in a crisis or bad results and Powell also. Powell has been in the same position jacko is now at this level.
But yh Curbs and a CEO whether Varney or not I think should have a role in things. Curbs should act as a support to jacko in terms of after games being in the boardroom supporting him and reassuring others when we have a bad result that he's gonna get this right. I don't want any sporting or technical director at the club at least while we are in league 1. I'm no fan of them tbh and that was before Roddy came in.
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
JJ was never a fresh start he was Assistant Manager under Adkins and Bowyer before that.
And that was always the risk, quite a few on here, me included thought a complete fresh start may have been best, but nobody really knew how things were going to pan out by promoting JJ.
I don’t mean to piss on chips but, all this talk of building right now for the big push next season seems a bit of a throw away comment of hopeful expectation. What makes people think that firstly we are going to be the only ones attempting it, and secondly are we as a club becoming less attractive for the type of player that we are all suggesting we require to mount a real challenge. It feels to me that there are teams we thought would never be a challenge to us are actually overtaking us and therefore beat us to those signings. When Chrissy Powell built his team we still had that aura of being a big fish in a little pond, and in my view we’re attractive for players who wanted a promotion on there cv. sadly I’m not sure that’s as much of a case as it was. People suggesting TS should back JJ Big in the summer seems a bit remiss of the fact he appears to already have done so to an extent, with not much in the way of a positive reaction. We have had a hell of a lot of players come and go over the last couple of seasons and in that time there doesn’t appear to be the consistent fight and unity for a sustained period to even look like we are going to challenge, missing out on goal difference last season flattered us massively, so I do question wether JJ can build and have the effect that Powelly did, and if the club have the fight in it we all remember, we as fans can only do so much in the way of support, but even that is becoming difficult when we are let down so often with below par performances on the pitch becoming more and more the norm.
Make you right on second thoughts. Get a new manager in, ANOTHER fresh start.
All these fresh starts are getting pretty tedious, I really thought this season was going to be the one we all started to enjoy the club for all reasons again.
With the answer being Jackson given time.
Hope so, I’m not convinced yet, all depends if he manages a set of players he can influence, the lot we have at the moment are going through managers like a dose of salts!!
Jackson going now where … all player and managers contracts are based on points and league position .. but at the end of the day all owners will make a call on the managers position but it’s not black and white football not like that .. there a lot of other reasons that may have meant you not got the results you deserved .. in fact take the last two games if we had drawn both don’t think there would have been many complaints yet couple of poor ref calls at key moments in the game .. and lose of key players and we lose both but there was not much of anything between the sides ..
say it again do you think Liverpool or Man City would sack their managers if they finish second .. when their objective would have been to win the title in Pep case to win the Champions League …. No and JJ the same
I don't get chance to read the forum every day, last night I was catching up with this thread and there are already people debating whether JJ is good enough?
I know football is getting more and more short termist by the day but any talk of JJ not being good enough at this stage is nothing but absolute lunacy. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but I simply cannot understand how anyone can come to the conclusion he isn't good enough, or even float the idea, after what 15-20 games?
We were hovering above the relegation zone when he took over. Granted many might be critical of Adkins but he cannot be 100% responsible for that fact. Clearly there were a number of issues that contributed to it. Perhaps Adkins wasn't playing the right tactics, wasn't motivating people enough etc. Nobody will know for sure except those behind the scenes at the club.
I have however seen enough of this group of players this season to know they are simply not good enough to cement a place in the play offs. They are better than being in the relegation zone, but they are not a group of players at the moment who look like they should be assured of a play off place. That means some weeks we will win games, others we will lose. That's because we are not good enough to dominate teams and win every game, but we're also not bad enough to be a Crewe, Doncaster etc and get hammered most weeks.
Every result at the moment seems to be met with hysteria, if we win a game people talk about us pushing on and getting in the play offs and when we lose everyone talks about us being relagated. I don't like it any more than anyone else but this season we are a mid table team, that isn't going to change this season no matter who the manager is. And guess where Jacko has us? Mid table. So he's doing about right in my eyes.
Give the man a chance. I would be saying that if it was some random outsider we had brought in, but the fact this guy has been around the club for years and years surely warrants him having more than 15-20 games before people talk about binning him off.
The idea he has somehow failed because we are not in contention for promotion is lunacy when you take into account this is his first management job, the terrible run of form we were on when he took over, and the fact he didn't even have a full compliment of first team coaches until a few weeks ago.
Some of the talk about Jacko recently is exactly why young players (Such as Burstow) are more than happy to leave as soon as another offer comes in. The idea players should show loyalty to clubs when you have fans talking about whether a club legend should be 'Shown the door' after a few months is laughable really.
The acid test is how JJ gets on after he leaves to manage a well-run club.
we are a well run club ….. now
No we are not.
Whilst I am grateful for what TS has done I would say we are a long way from being a "well run club".
TS lives thousands of miles away No board of Directors overseeing day to day operations at The Valley (no club representation yesterday in the board room at Wigan) Our recruitment process is shambolic Our current manager does not know if he will be employed in 4 months time We do not own our own ground We do not own our training ground
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He will have been here 2 years, it will be his 4th window, he will be armed with everything he’s seen,
heard and learnt and buoyed by the Burstow windfall.
I’m not expecting us to walk to the title but if TS is a good as he thinks he is there can be no excuse to not be in the playoff mix.
I'm getting a severe case of deja vu.
There’s a black hat caught in a high tree-top…
Not positive reaction. Of course not, he has taken us out of the bottom 4 where we looked destined to stay before he came in and got us out of trouble.
Those who want a thresh start should apply that thinking to the dead playing squad. Its riddled with dead wood, players here for a last pension pay off and players that play when they think they need to for the next short term contract.
Its misplaced belief that the squad is top billing by Sandgaard and it wouldn't surprise me if JFH isn't still in the back of his mind. I think I will stick with JJ thanks, and I was critical of him as part of the Adkins era.
@J BlOCK says above he has heard the same from a player.
If this is the case, how on earth has he got so down after only a few months in the job? Is he really that worried that TS won't renew his contract for next season?
I want JJ to be here next season and succeed. But seriously if the job is making him that ill after only a few months for the sake of his health and his family he should seriously think about walking away. Wrecking his health for this job is just not worth it.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/former-charlton-ace-urges-thomas-sandgaard-to-make-quick-decision-to-avoid-making-same-mistakes-as-last-summer/
Any reason for this? Ie is it a case of the stress of managing as a full time job and not happy with the step up from less pressured assistant?
Or is there more too it off the field- wise either in a personal or CAFC-related capacity.
Whilst our league position and season's prospects are shite, he's not done terribly with the squad he has at his disposal particularly picking them up as he did after the Adkins era. and surely has done enough bar a cataclysmic end to the season to warrant being in situ come august.
Seems odd to be so burnt out just based on current performances which whilst far from ideal should be taken in the context of the wider season and also some great results and performances still such as Portsmouth.
He could do worse than get Peter Varney and Alan Curbishley in to run the club and the football on the day to day basis.
If he did that he could still get the hero worship for doing his money on us but not have all the criticism as it would be done by Varney and Curbs with Jacko.
Seems an obvious way to turn the club around and a no brainer.
Get the old band back together Tommy!
This is the opposite of stability.
If Jacko is the man for the job back him properly and publicly and and give him a fair shot at getting us promoted (two seasons?)
If not, get rid of him now in a dignified way and get someone in you do trust and admire.
This is just farting about and we have all had enough of that.
But yh Curbs and a CEO whether Varney or not I think should have a role in things. Curbs should act as a support to jacko in terms of after games being in the boardroom supporting him and reassuring others when we have a bad result that he's gonna get this right. I don't want any sporting or technical director at the club at least while we are in league 1. I'm no fan of them tbh and that was before Roddy came in.
say it again do you think Liverpool or Man City would sack their managers if they finish second .. when their objective would have been to win the title in Pep case to win the Champions League …. No and JJ the same
I know football is getting more and more short termist by the day but any talk of JJ not being good enough at this stage is nothing but absolute lunacy. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but I simply cannot understand how anyone can come to the conclusion he isn't good enough, or even float the idea, after what 15-20 games?
We were hovering above the relegation zone when he took over. Granted many might be critical of Adkins but he cannot be 100% responsible for that fact. Clearly there were a number of issues that contributed to it. Perhaps Adkins wasn't playing the right tactics, wasn't motivating people enough etc. Nobody will know for sure except those behind the scenes at the club.
I have however seen enough of this group of players this season to know they are simply not good enough to cement a place in the play offs. They are better than being in the relegation zone, but they are not a group of players at the moment who look like they should be assured of a play off place. That means some weeks we will win games, others we will lose. That's because we are not good enough to dominate teams and win every game, but we're also not bad enough to be a Crewe, Doncaster etc and get hammered most weeks.
Every result at the moment seems to be met with hysteria, if we win a game people talk about us pushing on and getting in the play offs and when we lose everyone talks about us being relagated. I don't like it any more than anyone else but this season we are a mid table team, that isn't going to change this season no matter who the manager is. And guess where Jacko has us? Mid table. So he's doing about right in my eyes.
Give the man a chance. I would be saying that if it was some random outsider we had brought in, but the fact this guy has been around the club for years and years surely warrants him having more than 15-20 games before people talk about binning him off.
The idea he has somehow failed because we are not in contention for promotion is lunacy when you take into account this is his first management job, the terrible run of form we were on when he took over, and the fact he didn't even have a full compliment of first team coaches until a few weeks ago.
Some of the talk about Jacko recently is exactly why young players (Such as Burstow) are more than happy to leave as soon as another offer comes in. The idea players should show loyalty to clubs when you have fans talking about whether a club legend should be 'Shown the door' after a few months is laughable really.
Whilst I am grateful for what TS has done I would say we are a long way from being a "well run club".
TS lives thousands of miles away
No board of Directors overseeing day to day operations at The Valley (no club representation yesterday in the board room at Wigan)
Our recruitment process is shambolic
Our current manager does not know if he will be employed in 4 months time
We do not own our own ground
We do not own our training ground
I could go on.....