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Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)
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Knee jerk angry reaction from me that’ll probably look silly once I’ve calmed down tomorrow but might provide entertainment for you guys.
Fuckin stupid dragging our heals with a forward, we knew we needed back up to Stockley all season, something could have been lined up and sealed Jan 1st. But no, we’d rather wait and wait to write off play offs first.
Our midfield maestro’s Gilbey and Lee look leggy, I can’t help but think if we’d of not banked on JFC recovering we could go had a decent midfielder in to give them some respite.
Leko is a forward who cannot shoot and cannot assist, what even is he? He turns, then twists, then turns again, then delivers a ball to the opposition centre half.Charlton Twitter, which is full of 16 year old dickheads summed it up beautifully tonight. Something along the lines of “we signed Crewe’s best player and now he’s on our bench watching us lose to them”. Depressing.
Do us a favour, don’t sign anyone now, play the kids and scrape enough points to survive, then start work on next season, do us another favour and don’t fuckin wait till august 31st to sign a few bodies whilst we’re already P5 W1 D1 L5. Just spend the money if you actually want us out this shithole of a league.11 -
A click bait site suggests that it is us or Sunderland where Defoe may go.
Jermain Defoe's transfer options assessed as Steven Gerrard and Sunderland offer Rangers hero alternatives - Football Scotland
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Be very surprised if Defoe has the appetite to come and play mid table League 1. Could see Sunderland for 6 months given how much he enjoyed his time there but no way is he coming to us.4
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Defoe? Why? Would only be for six months and he'd want a shed load of dosh. Would be a complete waste, like Arter.5
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A "romantic return" to his first club Charlton... whom he left before signing a professional contract and then cupped his ear at the fans every time he scored against them in his career.12
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Steve Gallen’s signings have got to be questioned at some point if not this month, we’re not under a transfer embargo anymore, the aim’s promotion, we’ve burned hundreds of thousands on the likes of Kirk, DJ and we’re sat 6 points off relegation
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Well he only left about 18 months before Bowyer, career wise, yet half this forum could get home to find Bowyer on top of their Mrs after a home defeat to Burton and still bleat loyalty and center backs. Funny old game.Athletico Charlton said:A "romantic return" to his first club Charlton... whom he left before signing a professional contract and then cupped his ear at the fans every time he scored against them in his career.1 -
You can't question Gallen. It's quite simple all the good signings are because of Gallen all the bad signings are because of reasons.SheedyCAFC said:Steve Gallen’s signings have got to be questioned at some point if not this month, we’re not under a transfer embargo anymore, the aim’s promotion, we’ve burned hundreds of thousands on the likes of Kirk, DJ and we’re sat 6 points off relegation
Even when Gallen says contracting things it isn't his fault. See Arter, Harry. I am supprised that one hasn't been flobed off to Adkins or Roddy yet.0 -
We are not getting in the play offs, we are not getting relegated. Sign players who are going to be here next season, hopefully for a serious promotion push.10
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I wasn't expecting someone to arrive before the weekend. Not because we don't desperately need someone, but because of the lethargy of our transfer dealings recently.MattF said:
In January 2019 we sold Karlan and brought in Parker which probably cost us automatic promotion, but to be far we also brought in Williams on the 4th and Purrington on the 10th, two excellent bits of business, and done early. We needed a left back desperately and got one in by the 10th
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The thing that has troubled me about Gallen for sometime now is a question asked at a Bromley Addicks meeting probably c end of 2020 when he was asked about his best acquisition. His answer was that in the business sense this was Bonne, ie bought for £200K and sold for £2M (don't think he actually quoted numbers but those seem well known).SheedyCAFC said:Steve Gallen’s signings have got to be questioned at some point if not this month, we’re not under a transfer embargo anymore, the aim’s promotion, we’ve burned hundreds of thousands on the likes of Kirk, DJ and we’re sat 6 points off relegation
I have to say that at that point he walked on water for me and so I was a little bought back to earth with the fact that was his best... And I can't think of many since.
Lots of good loanees, some good players who we could have made money on (like Taylor) but for contracts running down.
But if you remove the kids and the likes of Lookman, Aribo and Pope who were before his time there are not too many decent acquisitions from a point of view of catching unpolished diamonds and trading for a profit.
DJ, Kirk are clearly two he has tried and both are poor. Lavelle has not proven anything yet and seems very raw and I am not keen on either Leko or Famewo personally both of whom we are linked at turning to perms.
Now on the flip of that he has spent so much time in RD ridiculous land and then no budget, then even less budget/embargo with various ESI variations and finally had an unwieldy recruitment team with seemingly mid budget under TS. He also had little scouting assistance... But his decent hit rate is getting more and more historic and he should not be immune from question.3 -
Was on the bench for West Ham this evening. His fifth bench appearance in the last thirty days.Callumcafc said:
This, basically. He is not far off getting on their first team subs bench. They'd surely be looking for a Championship loan for him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He's made the first team bench so they clearly rate him highly. I'd expect there to be some championship interest in him although maybe at that level and this time of year teams might want someone more tried and trusted.killerandflash said:
Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.Callumcafc said:Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.
https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex
But even if they were prepared to drop him to league one, West ham would surely prefer a team chasing automatic/play offs. A side who's season is effectively over with a strong chance that March/April could peter out into a few nothing games might not 'test' the player as much as if he was in a team fighting for promotion.0 -
That’s gonna cost a few quid in iron-on letters for his shirtChris_from_Sidcup said:Armstrong Inya Echezolachuku Oko-Flex. That's an incredible name.
Apparently made the first team bench for their recent league game at Arsenal. Would they really want him to drop to mid-table in league one?1 -
About time we signed someone with an unpronounceable name. Been a squad weakness for some time time now.7
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“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.2 -
He is starting to speak like Bowyer.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.2 -
Targets will definitely have been identified. It is a continuous process.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.
The better players will have more clubs interested,
The club loaning the player has control of if and when. We can only beg.
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Interesting to think that for the play off winning squad of 2019 we managed to loan in Bielik & Cullen from Premier League clubs. One was then sold for £12m (probably a tad overpriced) and the other for less than £1m (a steal). Whereas this season we are loaning in players like Lee & Arter.
Chalk & Cheese.11 -
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It's worth saying again .. for a talented young player on average to good L1 wages, a move to the London area is often not viable. He might be living in a £200,000 house in a northern/midlands town or city with his family. Little traffic, good schools, easy travel to and from the training ground. Then, he signs for Charlton, sells the nice house and for the price he gets, he can buy a leasehold one bedroom flat above a chip shop in Penge with no parking space for his nice motor and no space for the wife and saucepan lids (if he has either)
THIS i m o is the biggest recruitment problem we have, the cost of living in London, as I say, for a footballer earning good money, but a salary that gives him an inferior standard of living to what he might enjoy well outside the M25
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I get that.Redrobo said:
Targets will definitely have been identified. It is a continuous process.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.
The better players will have more clubs interested,
The club loaning the player has control of if and when. We can only beg.
And I’m all for patience when you can be patient. But you can see where I’m coming from in regards to our season being over.
Its not impossible to arrange the signing and have it done and dusted early though, it’s been done, it can be done, it just depends how willing we are to get it done. Clearly we’ve managed this poorly or we don’t have the means to sign who we really want.0 -
The reason all our managers speak the same when it comes to transfers is the lack of funds. Tommy is not going to splash the cash in this window, I am not sure he wants too or even has it. We will be sniffing around young inexperienced players, journeymen with injuries and players nobody wants, all of which will happen in the last few days.Cafc43v3r said:
He is starting to speak like Bowyer.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.
Then management will trot out the same old bollocks along the lines of "we were on the phone 24/7", "we are all going for the same players" and "He was willing to sign but we could not meet his demands"
I will be shocked, but pleasantly surprised if this window is different from the fiasco that happened in the summer.0 -
If Defoe is able to come in for six months and save us from relegation I would argue that would be a wage price worth paying.2
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I was puzzled by that as well. This season we loaned players fromgolfaddick said:Interesting to think that for the play off winning squad of 2019 we managed to loan in Bielik & Cullen from Premier League clubs. One was then sold for £12m (probably a tad overpriced) and the other for less than £1m (a steal). Whereas this season we are loaning in players like Lee & Arter.
Chalk & Cheese.
Championship - Lee, Leko, Arter
Poor PL side - Famewo
Gallen said that the London PL clubs had no suitable youngsters, but I still find that a bit doubtful. Last season we had Maatsen, Millar (success) and Levitt, Smith (flops) from Big 6 PL sides, so it's quite a change, maybe deliberate.1 -
I wonder if "the budget" is the problem. (Just me speculating)
I get we don't want to pay over the odds and we want to grow sustainably.
But we need quality and maybe we need to push the boat a little.1 -
Wonder if they're now demanding too much in loan fees for these playerskillerandflash said:
I was puzzled by that as well. This season we loaned players fromgolfaddick said:Interesting to think that for the play off winning squad of 2019 we managed to loan in Bielik & Cullen from Premier League clubs. One was then sold for £12m (probably a tad overpriced) and the other for less than £1m (a steal). Whereas this season we are loaning in players like Lee & Arter.
Chalk & Cheese.
Championship - Lee, Leko, Arter
Poor PL side - Famewo
Gallen said that the London PL clubs had no suitable youngsters, but I still find that a bit doubtful. Last season we had Maatsen, Millar (success) and Levitt, Smith (flops) from Big 6 PL sides, so it's quite a change, maybe deliberate.
Chelsea | Arsenal | Spurs only have two players out on loan in League One
Man Utd and Man City have just the one player on loan, whilst Liverpool dont have anyone out at this level
Might be Wiki not giving a true reflection of the Academy players out on loan. It might be the norm for those clubs to loan out so few (below the Championship at least), and I've bothered to look into before now.
Of course they might even be reluctant to loan out kids with the COVID situation.
Especially if the kids themselves dont want to risk being cut off from family, and unable to visit.3 -
We have, like under Roland, spent money quite a lot of money. The problem is where we have spent it. Despite not having any McGeady style legacy contracts to consider I would wager we have the 4th or 5th highest wage bill. Not even including all the non first team players, and we have dozens of them.eaststandmike said:
The reason all our managers speak the same when it comes to transfers is the lack of funds. Tommy is not going to splash the cash in this window, I am not sure he wants too or even has it. We will be sniffing around young inexperienced players, journeymen with injuries and players nobody wants, all of which will happen in the last few days.Cafc43v3r said:
He is starting to speak like Bowyer.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.
Then management will trot out the same old bollocks along the lines of "we were on the phone 24/7", "we are all going for the same players" and "He was willing to sign but we could not meet his demands"
I will be shocked, but pleasantly surprised if this window is different from the fiasco that happened in the summer.
Other than Ipswich, Wigan and Sunderland no one else spent the sort of money we did on Stockley and Kirk.
If no one else wanted our players why do we pay them so much?1 -
I think it is deliberate we signed young players and loaned older ones when by and large we have previously done it the other way round.killerandflash said:
I was puzzled by that as well. This season we loaned players fromgolfaddick said:Interesting to think that for the play off winning squad of 2019 we managed to loan in Bielik & Cullen from Premier League clubs. One was then sold for £12m (probably a tad overpriced) and the other for less than £1m (a steal). Whereas this season we are loaning in players like Lee & Arter.
Chalk & Cheese.
Championship - Lee, Leko, Arter
Poor PL side - Famewo
Gallen said that the London PL clubs had no suitable youngsters, but I still find that a bit doubtful. Last season we had Maatsen, Millar (success) and Levitt, Smith (flops) from Big 6 PL sides, so it's quite a change, maybe deliberate.0 -
100% and that is my point, we have spent a lot of money meaning I do not think Tommy will be wanting to spend a lot more. He has already stated in public we have a large, talented squad with depth good enough to get out of L1.Cafc43v3r said:
We have, like under Roland, spent money quite a lot of money. The problem is where we have spent it. Despite not having any McGeady style legacy contracts to consider I would wager we have the 4th or 5th highest wage bill. Not even including all the non first team players, and we have dozens of them.eaststandmike said:
The reason all our managers speak the same when it comes to transfers is the lack of funds. Tommy is not going to splash the cash in this window, I am not sure he wants too or even has it. We will be sniffing around young inexperienced players, journeymen with injuries and players nobody wants, all of which will happen in the last few days.Cafc43v3r said:
He is starting to speak like Bowyer.BR7_addick said:JJ
“It’s Wednesday night and I can’t see anything happening before the weekend. We’ve highlighted targets and we’re working on them. I think we need a little bit of help. A little bit of a freshen up could give us fresh impetus for the last push of the season. But no real updates yet.”
This is just silly isn’t it, the targets should have been identified and dealt with early, I can’t see the point if our promotion push is over. Be different if we were 6 points off it because no matter what by the end of the window we’d still have a shot.
Then management will trot out the same old bollocks along the lines of "we were on the phone 24/7", "we are all going for the same players" and "He was willing to sign but we could not meet his demands"
I will be shocked, but pleasantly surprised if this window is different from the fiasco that happened in the summer.
Other than Ipswich, Wigan and Sunderland no one else spent the sort of money we did on Stockley and Kirk.
If no one else wanted our players why do we pay them so much?
He will want a return on what he has spent, not chuck another barrel load down the road. We know this is what you have to do in this league, not sure he was aware of it when he bought us.0 -
You're way off. Do you think kids give a shit about schools and traffic? London is a big attraction for talent across the country.Lincsaddick said:reposted ..
It's worth saying again .. for a talented young player on average to good L1 wages, a move to the London area is often not viable. He might be living in a £200,000 house in a northern/midlands town or city with his family. Little traffic, good schools, easy travel to and from the training ground. Then, he signs for Charlton, sells the nice house and for the price he gets, he can buy a leasehold one bedroom flat above a chip shop in Penge with no parking space for his nice motor and no space for the wife and saucepan lids (if he has either)
THIS i m o is the biggest recruitment problem we have, the cost of living in London, as I say, for a footballer earning good money, but a salary that gives him an inferior standard of living to what he might enjoy well outside the M25
Fact of the matter is, we are a bang average (if not below) team who have been in this league for the majority of the past 8 years.4
