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Chuks Aneke - speculation re 2023/24 season (p60)
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Why not just keep him? If we pay him off then he’s not going to accept anything less than the full amount owed to him. Might as well just keep trying to get him fit and use him as a sub when he is. Probably never going to stay fit but might as well use him while we pay him rather than just giving up and still paying him the same amount anywayCallumcafc said:Pay up his contract and move on. He needs it, the club needs it.9 -
No point paying up his contract unless we are actually going to bring in some else, better. If funds are as tight as they appear paying him off would be ludicrous.NabySarr said:
Why not just keep him? If we pay him off then he’s not going to accept anything less than the full amount owed to him. Might as well just keep trying to get him fit and use him as a sub when he is. Probably never going to stay fit but might as well use him while we pay him rather than just giving up and still paying him the same amount anywayCallumcafc said:Pay up his contract and move on. He needs it, the club needs it.1 -
Stuck with him for 2 more years. Might not make sense commercially to release him, but he’s adding nothing now, and I feel it’s only going to get worse. It’s clear he’s not getting better, and it looks like he’s getting worse (fitness wise) and this is then having an impact on what he can add (footballing wise). This is literally a real life example of purgatory, for him, and us.
Can’t pay him off and we can’t play him. Crazy1 -
In fairness I think he was on he pitch for 24 minutes yesterday and had 66% of our shots on target (2 of 3 I think).cabbles said:Stuck with him for 2 more years. Might not make sense commercially to release him, but he’s adding nothing now, and I feel it’s only going to get worse. It’s clear he’s not getting better, and it looks like he’s getting worse (fitness wise) and this is then having an impact on what he can add (footballing wise). This is literally a real life example of purgatory, for him, and us.
Can’t pay him off and we can’t play him. Crazy6 -
Exactly. His contract is probably worth at least another 500-700k so it won’t exactly be cheap to get rid of him. I’d rather we keep trying to get him fit as when he is fit he still makes a difference. It’s unlikely but we did keep him fit for pretty much a whole season once before. Even getting him fit for a run of 10 games could make a big difference to our points tally next seasonCafc43v3r said:
No point paying up his contract unless we are actually going to bring in some else, better. If funds are as tight as they appear paying him off would be ludicrous.NabySarr said:
Why not just keep him? If we pay him off then he’s not going to accept anything less than the full amount owed to him. Might as well just keep trying to get him fit and use him as a sub when he is. Probably never going to stay fit but might as well use him while we pay him rather than just giving up and still paying him the same amount anywayCallumcafc said:Pay up his contract and move on. He needs it, the club needs it.1 -
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The way he has been running in his last few appearances, he looked ready made for another injury.2
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Players are covered by insurance taken out by the Club. If it was necessary for him to medically retire then the Club would claim on the insurance and pay off his contract.se9addick said:
Do footballers have insurance, so if he can prove that he needs to retire for medical reasons then his insurance might cover him?guinnessaddick said:I really feel for him, he seems to be genuinely trying but the body doesn’t seem willing. He isn’t “nicking a living” or anything like that.0 -
Pack him of to the Zynex lab for a few months and see if they can fix him.4
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Only if the insurer agrees that he needs to medically retire and pays up.LargeAddick said:
Players are covered by insurance taken out by the Club. If it was necessary for him to medically retire then the Club would claim on the insurance and pay off his contract.se9addick said:
Do footballers have insurance, so if he can prove that he needs to retire for medical reasons then his insurance might cover him?guinnessaddick said:I really feel for him, he seems to be genuinely trying but the body doesn’t seem willing. He isn’t “nicking a living” or anything like that.0 - Sponsored links:
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I really do feel for Chucks it must be terrible for him that his body cant cope. It's not his fault but I would love to know who the hell thought it a good move to bring him back, it was so obvious what the result would be to literally everyone but the people responsible for our signings.4
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Is “medically necessary to retire” a very high threshold to meet or is it a fairly common thing that happens?LargeAddick said:
Players are covered by insurance taken out by the Club. If it was necessary for him to medically retire then the Club would claim on the insurance and pay off his contract.se9addick said:
Do footballers have insurance, so if he can prove that he needs to retire for medical reasons then his insurance might cover him?guinnessaddick said:I really feel for him, he seems to be genuinely trying but the body doesn’t seem willing. He isn’t “nicking a living” or anything like that.0 -
I’m assuming in order for him to meet that bar he’d have to do a lot more than the muscle injuries he keeps getting. I have no idea but I’d assume it would have to be a bone/joint injury or severe ligament tear that could cause him to effectively be disabled if he put to much stress on it0
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I'm no expert on this sort of thing but wouldn't it help if he lost some muscle mass? I don't understand why he's still so big. Would have thought it might be something he'd at least want to try.4
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Was it that obvious though? The 3 and a half year deal was obviously a poor decision but in terms of bringing him back he’d been pretty much injury free for 18 months and in that time had scored a lot of goals for us in league 1. Changing his role to super sub seemed to have stopped his injuries. Obviously in hindsight it didn’t but other than the length of the deal the decision to sign him wasn’t as stupid as people make outAndyG said:I really do feel for Chucks it must be terrible for him that his body cant cope. It's not his fault but I would love to know who the hell thought it a good move to bring him back, it was so obvious what the result would be to literally everyone but the people responsible for our signings.1 -
AFKABartram said:When he bent down in front of the East to do his boot up I joked he’d be out for 2 months with a broken shoelace.
This made me laugh, as I said exactly the same thing at the time.
My response when he went down injured was along the lines of "why don't you just fuck off and retire"?0 -
It's a few injuries back but someone said that they would have to "be unable to play at the same level for a minimum of 20 months".se9addick said:
Is “medically necessary to retire” a very high threshold to meet or is it a fairly common thing that happens?LargeAddick said:
Players are covered by insurance taken out by the Club. If it was necessary for him to medically retire then the Club would claim on the insurance and pay off his contract.se9addick said:
Do footballers have insurance, so if he can prove that he needs to retire for medical reasons then his insurance might cover him?guinnessaddick said:I really feel for him, he seems to be genuinely trying but the body doesn’t seem willing. He isn’t “nicking a living” or anything like that.
Obviously a hamstring pull doesn't fulfil that criteria. I would imagine it would be very hard to force someone into receiving an insurance payout if they don't want it.0 -
It looked to me that he “stepped” on the ball and then went over it, causing his hamstring to go.0
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Genuinely sad about this whole situation. One of the nicest players in the squad who is so well liked but his body continues to let him down. He needs support just like he needed it before because this season has been one from hell for him.
I also really believe he could do with a personal one to one trainer. Someone who will be his psychologist and to get him through the physical challenges too.
I am not saying this has anything to do with it, but whenever he warms up or stretches, he will never go into full extension or complete the movement. It could be that his body is so muscular that he physically can’t, or it could be that he goes until he’s comfortable without stretching too far.
Whatever things are, I hope the scan tomorrow goes well and he gets the help he needs.
It looks like his season is over and maybe sending him away for a couple of weeks to spend with his family will do him the world of good. All once the initial therapy work starts to recondition his body is complete.
Don’t rush things, our season’s done. Let him get through this and put a serious plan in place ready for pre-season.
Would help if monies were actually spent in the sports science department though, might help prevent things like this instead of dealing with it once it’s happened…18 -
He has just returned from a 4 week plan (and a plan at Birmingham that saw him stay fit because he was unused). I don't think a serious plan will make much difference, if the weakness is his body - the underlying issue.1
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He could lose a few pounds which might help…..5lbs of body weight is 20 lbs of pressure off the knee joints0
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This is a very sensible post - perhaps it backs up what Sage said about investment in the sports science dpt. Although I expect Aneke to have done a lot more homework of his own accord as to what will help. If this is genuinely going to finish his career, then he should be doing everything financially possible within his own power to sort. He may well have, and it’s just never going to be okayct_addick said:He could lose a few pounds which might help…..5lbs of body weight is 20 lbs of pressure off the knee joints
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Apart from speculation, from the experts on the interweb, is there any suggestion or even hint of this?cabbles said:
This is a very sensible post - perhaps it backs up what Sage said about investment in the sports science dpt. Although I expect Aneke to have done a lot more homework of his own accord as to what will help. If this is genuinely going to finish his career, then he should be doing everything financially possible within his own power to sort. He may well have, and it’s just never going to be okayct_addick said:He could lose a few pounds which might help…..5lbs of body weight is 20 lbs of pressure off the knee joints1 -
Nope...CL have retired him, declared he is approaching depression and sorted the insurance claim out on behalf of the club!Cafc43v3r said:
Apart from speculation, from the experts on the interweb, is there any suggestion or even hint of this?cabbles said:
This is a very sensible post - perhaps it backs up what Sage said about investment in the sports science dpt. Although I expect Aneke to have done a lot more homework of his own accord as to what will help. If this is genuinely going to finish his career, then he should be doing everything financially possible within his own power to sort. He may well have, and it’s just never going to be okayct_addick said:He could lose a few pounds which might help…..5lbs of body weight is 20 lbs of pressure off the knee joints4 -
To be clear, I haven't once said about there being a risk to Aneke's career, but the whole situation is sad as clearly his body has let him down a lot over the last 7/8 months.
We don't know anything until the scan is done and results are in.
Let's give him the support and know we are on his side and not get on his back when it's him that is suffering the most. Doesn't matter how much you get paid, he wants to play and make the most of his career. No one wants to be breaking down often and receiving abuse for it.
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This is fair. Apologies Others assumed his career was over, your post suggested his season could be.Sage said:To be clear, I haven't once said about there being a risk to Aneke's career, but the whole situation is sad as clearly his body has let him down a lot over the last 7/8 months.
We don't know anything until the scan is done and results are in.
Let's give him the support and know we are on his side and not get on his back when it's him that is suffering the most. Doesn't matter how much you get paid, he wants to play and make the most of his career. No one wants to be breaking down often and receiving abuse for it.0 -
Then why hasn't he lost some weight/muscle? His current physique clearly isn't working for him and hasn't for some time.Sage said:To be clear, I haven't once said about there being a risk to Aneke's career, but the whole situation is sad as clearly his body has let him down a lot over the last 7/8 months.
We don't know anything until the scan is done and results are in.
Let's give him the support and know we are on his side and not get on his back when it's him that is suffering the most. Doesn't matter how much you get paid, he wants to play and make the most of his career. No one wants to be breaking down often and receiving abuse for it.0 -
He’s extremely muscular but again there is no evidence to our knowledge that it is causing him harm. That’s speculation by fans. There may be a case of that, but we just don’t know.Talal said:
Then why hasn't he lost some weight/muscle? His current physique clearly isn't working for him and hasn't for some time.Sage said:To be clear, I haven't once said about there being a risk to Aneke's career, but the whole situation is sad as clearly his body has let him down a lot over the last 7/8 months.
We don't know anything until the scan is done and results are in.
Let's give him the support and know we are on his side and not get on his back when it's him that is suffering the most. Doesn't matter how much you get paid, he wants to play and make the most of his career. No one wants to be breaking down often and receiving abuse for it.4 -
Worth trying though don't you think?Sage said:
He’s extremely muscular but again there is no evidence to our knowledge that it is causing him harm. That’s speculation by fans. There may be a case of that, but we just don’t know.Talal said:
Then why hasn't he lost some weight/muscle? His current physique clearly isn't working for him and hasn't for some time.Sage said:To be clear, I haven't once said about there being a risk to Aneke's career, but the whole situation is sad as clearly his body has let him down a lot over the last 7/8 months.
We don't know anything until the scan is done and results are in.
Let's give him the support and know we are on his side and not get on his back when it's him that is suffering the most. Doesn't matter how much you get paid, he wants to play and make the most of his career. No one wants to be breaking down often and receiving abuse for it.1 -
Our football science fitness coach should sort out this problem... our yeh, I forgot 😁0
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