£300k for a player that left for nothing only 5 months ago.
What a fantastic piece of business.
I've been out this morning and just seen this and nothing else.
I suspect I'm going to get whoosed here but are we really paying £300k for someone who left on a free transfer 7 months ago?
Jeez, he didn't leave on a free transfer. He was out of contract.
Fair enough. I just used the wrong term as I know his contract was up and he was free to go elsewhere.
But I'm never going to agree with you that it is good business to let someone walk out the door and 7 months later, buy him back for £300k (if that is the true figure).
£300k for a player that left for nothing only 5 months ago.
What a fantastic piece of business.
I've been out this morning and just seen this and nothing else.
I suspect I'm going to get whoosed here but are we really paying £300k for someone who left on a free transfer 7 months ago?
Jeez, he didn't leave on a free transfer. He was out of contract.
Fair enough. I just used the wrong term as I know his contract was up and he was free to go elsewhere.
But I'm never going to agree with you that it is good business to let someone walk out the door and 7 months later, buy him back for £300k (if that is the true figure).
What’s done is done (and we didn’t let him walk out, he chose to exercise his freedom of contract and leave for a better deal).
Where we stand right now I don’t think we can get a better option in for £300k.
He left because he got offered more money. If we'd have offered the extra £300k at the time, people would've been giving pelters for that too, no doubt. He also wanted to test himself at a higher level - fair play; I'd never begrudge anyone for that, especially with his contract up.
We didn't release him: his contract was up. An important distinction. We couldn't force him to stay and we couldn't command a fee.
And ultimately - viewing things in this way is horribly retrospective. It was a decision that had zero complaints at the time, because we could do nothing about it. That is business
We now are buying a striker, for £300k (or thereabouts), who scored 16 goals at this level last season. We know who he is, as do a lot of the squad.
What happened previously basically doesn't matter, from a financial standpoint. This is potentially good business if he's anything approaching the same player, though his wages will obviously be a bit higher.
Welcome back Chuks!
But that is exactly the point, we couldn't force him to stay because as ever we had one of our best players go into a contract year where they hold all the power and can't get a fee for them. Well run clubs would have had him down for a few years on his contract early into his 16 goal season at this level so they have at least a chance of selling them when clubs come in. Saying we could do "nothing about it" isn't right at all, of course we could have, we could have either tied him down earlier, or sold him for a fee.
Over the last few years we have lost Aneke, Lyle Taylor, Naby Sarr, Ben Amos, Patrick Bauer, Joe Aribo all on free transfers, and you can obviously go back further to Poyet etc.
I'm excited about Aneke playing for us of course as he's an incredibly unique, and at this level effective player, but there is no way that him going on a free transfer, and being resigned 6 months later for the banded 300k figure can be seen as anything other than the sign of a badly run football club.
Anyone know what his injury record has been like a Birmingham? If he’s been fit there then it a while since he was last injured. His minutes were limited but by the end of last season we seemed to have figured out how to keep him fit.
Having to manage his playing time isn’t ideal but he should be effective he is on the pitch. Signing a player who could have his potential impact AND play 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday is a big ask in January.
Him plus a striker on loan, probably a young players from a Premier League club, would be decent in my opinion. If Davison were to head out on loan that would rebalance the squad of Strikers to better suit how Jacko wants to play. Or is Burstow now considered first team?
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Also, so many people are saying why didn't we just offer him an extra 300k. Let's say over 2 years that's 3k a week. So the rest of the squad find out you've offered another player 3k a week, somebody who rarely plays 90 mins. Their wage demands go up (mainly referring to the incomings and the players we actually want to keep, as few as they are) and suddenly our wage bill has gone up a million a season. Is that good business?
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
I don't see anyone acting like we released him, I see quite a few comments wondering why we didn't try and tie him down long before Brum came sniffing.
Like how it points out in this article back in Feb, his importance and effectiveness, and, how Bowyer wanted to tie him down then.
Like how we seem to be dragging our heels over Washington and Purringtons contracts this Jan, despite Jacko apparently wanting guarantees they'll get sorted while his own contract talks were on going.
Baffling how people don't understand this really 🤷🏻♂️
But a manager (or in this case a journalist--both rightly) wanting to tie a player down and that player, who is at the top of the league in terms of quality (with other issues, of course), actually signing are two very different things.
Make you wonder what Gallen and Co. have been doing if Chuks and Defoe are the answer....no L2 strikers worth taking a punt on or other championship strikers not getting minutes ?
I have seen the Forest Green striker mentioned but in there head, he wont go nowhere until end of the season to aid there promotion push.
Pretty much why people pay over the odds for player in January.
Burnley fighting relegation for example....Chris Wood wasnt going for less than his £25mil release clause. I like him but he isnt worth that!
Doesn’t solve any striker problems we have. Had our pants pulled down with his salary too.
So most are saying we didn't offer him enough to stay, but now we're paying him too much. This message board is so negative at the moment. If TS doesn't flash the cash the majority moan. When TS does, the majority moan.
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes ,yes.
Agreed, I think there was also an element at the end of last season that Adkins didn’t fancy him and Chuks didn’t feel wanted, which possibly influenced his decision to go to Birmingham. Clearly, Jackson and Bowyer both felt he offered something , when last he played in league one as they have both signed him since then.
This might also show that Thomas was going with transfer advice from Adkins and others no longer involved during the summer and is now listening to different voices. Maybe it is a risk with Chuks’ injury problems, but ever signing carries risk and I am glad Thomas seems prepared to roll the dice this window, when clearly their are improvements that are needed.
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes ,yes.
Yes all those things are true. That doesn't mean we managed the initial situation well they aren't mutually exclusive.
Bit of a gamble fitness wise, but given how much we miss Stockley as the big player up top, Aneke is well worth a punt. £300k isn’t a lot of money. He’s a player that knows the club and won’t have problems settling.
To a club losing £10 million a year it is not an insignificant amount.
Don’t forget we will be in the premier league in 2 1/2 years time.
I don't see anyone acting like we released him, I see quite a few comments wondering why we didn't try and tie him down long before Brum came sniffing.
Like how it points out in this article back in Feb, his importance and effectiveness, and, how Bowyer wanted to tie him down then.
Like how we seem to be dragging our heels over Washington and Purringtons contracts this Jan, despite Jacko apparently wanting guarantees they'll get sorted while his own contract talks were on going.
Baffling how people don't understand this really 🤷🏻♂️
But a manager (or in this case a journalist--both rightly) wanting to tie a player down and that player, who is at the top of the league in terms of quality (with other issues, of course), actually signing are two very different things.
Oh I know, it's that there wasn't an attempt throughout that time to offer him a contract, we chose to wait until the summer, and possibly paid the price as a result.
Chucks may have signed a new deal from December - Feb if we offered him one, he may not of, but, seemingly, we didn't even try, as a result he finished the season in a strong position and had champ clubs chasing him, we made keeping him hard for ourselves. That's the gutting thing.
At least he's (hopefully) back now.
We might find ourselves in the same situation with Purrington this summer.
I'm looking forward to when we have Chucks, Stockley, Pearce. Lavelle and Innis on the pitch at the same time away at some of these northern outposts. You can't play football at half of these grounds but you can win and lose games in both boxes.
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes ,yes.
Agreed, I think there was also an element at the end of last season that Adkins didn’t fancy him and Chuks didn’t feel wanted, which possibly influenced his decision to go to Birmingham. Clearly, Jackson and Bowyer both felt he offered something , when last he played in league one as they have both signed him since then.
This might also show that Thomas was going with transfer advice from Adkins and others no longer involved during the summer and is now listening to different voices. Maybe it is a risk with Chuks’ injury problems, but ever signing carries risk and I am glad Thomas seems prepared to roll the dice this window, when clearly their are improvements that are needed.
Adkins was saying how he wanted him and how much chucks wanted to stay back in June and was "confident" he'd re-sign though.
i think the thing eveybody is forgetting is that we now have a different manager to the one when Chucks left - he also plays a different system
As in he will be less effective this time round?!!
no, in that jackson may rate him and want to use him in a way that adkins didn't - i was amazed at how little Chucks played in that Adkins run in at the end of last season
Willing to give Aneke and the club the benefit of the doubt on this one. Aneke barely kicked a ball during our championship relegation, prior to lockdown. When he did play he towards the end, he did okay. Probably believed he was good enough to step up to the level, rather than financial being the only important motive.
It’s not Aneke fault that we didn’t replace him and that we decided to give his spot to Davidson.
I can't recall the last time I read so many daft comments in a thread. Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract. He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer? Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played? Do we want a proven goal scorer? Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison? Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes ,yes.
Agreed, I think there was also an element at the end of last season that Adkins didn’t fancy him and Chuks didn’t feel wanted, which possibly influenced his decision to go to Birmingham. Clearly, Jackson and Bowyer both felt he offered something , when last he played in league one as they have both signed him since then.
This might also show that Thomas was going with transfer advice from Adkins and others no longer involved during the summer and is now listening to different voices. Maybe it is a risk with Chuks’ injury problems, but ever signing carries risk and I am glad Thomas seems prepared to roll the dice this window, when clearly their are improvements that are needed.
Adkins was saying how he wanted him and how much chucks wanted to stay back in June and was "confident" he'd re-sign though.
‘Saying’ yes, and he would be unlikely to say that he was happy for our leading goal scorer to walk out the door for free as would not at the time have gone down well with the fans. I seem to recall he favoured Stockley on the pitch and was critical of Chuks’ aggressive approach in games when the previous manager had been more critical of those who did not display those qualities. It’s easy to see as a free agent how Aneke might have not felt too welcome in sticking around.
i think the thing eveybody is forgetting is that we now have a different manager to the one when Chucks left - he also plays a different system
As in he will be less effective this time round?!!
no, in that jackson may rate him and want to use him in a way that adkins didn't - i was amazed at how little Chucks played in that Adkins run in at the end of last season
He came on as a sub every time he was on the bench under Adkins....... He missed two games as he was injured.
Adkins wanted him and was told it was a formality he, and Amos, would resign.
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Where we stand right now I don’t think we can get a better option in for £300k.
But that is exactly the point, we couldn't force him to stay because as ever we had one of our best players go into a contract year where they hold all the power and can't get a fee for them. Well run clubs would have had him down for a few years on his contract early into his 16 goal season at this level so they have at least a chance of selling them when clubs come in. Saying we could do "nothing about it" isn't right at all, of course we could have, we could have either tied him down earlier, or sold him for a fee.
Over the last few years we have lost Aneke, Lyle Taylor, Naby Sarr, Ben Amos, Patrick Bauer, Joe Aribo all on free transfers, and you can obviously go back further to Poyet etc.
I'm excited about Aneke playing for us of course as he's an incredibly unique, and at this level effective player, but there is no way that him going on a free transfer, and being resigned 6 months later for the banded 300k figure can be seen as anything other than the sign of a badly run football club.
Having to manage his playing time isn’t ideal but he should be effective he is on the pitch. Signing a player who could have his potential impact AND play 90 minutes Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday is a big ask in January.
Him plus a striker on loan, probably a young players from a Premier League club, would be decent in my opinion. If Davison were to head out on loan that would rebalance the squad of Strikers to better suit how Jacko wants to play. Or is Burstow now considered first team?
Chuks was out of contract, we offered him a new contract.
He turned down the contract, choosing to return to The Championship, almost certainly for a big fat signing on fee and a bigger wage.
Chuks was the top L1 scorer last season on goals per minutes played basis.
Do we need a goal scorer?
Would we like to have last season's top goal scorer in L1 based on minutes played?
Do we want a proven goal scorer?
Is Chuks more likely to score than Davison?
Is the squad stronger with Chuks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes ,yes.
Is a squad that has Aneke in it stronger than one that doesn't?
At this level, absolutely yes.
There's more business we NEED to do but getting Big Chuks back is definitely a good thing for me.
Pretty much why people pay over the odds for player in January.
Burnley fighting relegation for example....Chris Wood wasnt going for less than his £25mil release clause. I like him but he isnt worth that!
This message board is so negative at the moment.
If TS doesn't flash the cash the majority moan.
When TS does, the majority moan.
Not gonna dwell on the finer points.
, when last he played in league one as they have both signed him since then.
This might also show that Thomas was going with transfer advice from Adkins and others no longer involved during the summer and is now listening to different voices. Maybe it is a risk with Chuks’ injury problems, but ever signing carries risk and I am glad Thomas seems prepared to roll the dice this window, when clearly their are improvements that are needed.
Oh I know, it's that there wasn't an attempt throughout that time to offer him a contract, we chose to wait until the summer, and possibly paid the price as a result.
Chucks may have signed a new deal from December - Feb if we offered him one, he may not of, but, seemingly, we didn't even try, as a result he finished the season in a strong position and had champ clubs chasing him, we made keeping him hard for ourselves. That's the gutting thing.
At least he's (hopefully) back now.
We might find ourselves in the same situation with Purrington this summer.
Adkins was saying how he wanted him and how much chucks wanted to stay back in June and was "confident" he'd re-sign though.
Adkins wanted him and was told it was a formality he, and Amos, would resign.