Only positives are firstly that we still have an eight point cushion from the relegation places. Secondly we still have to play 3 of the present bottom 4. I we win those (or even don't lose those) we should be alright with the odd draw on top.
Jacko took over with us embedded in the relegation zone. It will be a success, this season, having climbed out of it to stay out of it.
Just home. Garbage. A day to be fondly remembered for George Dobsons face planting when it looked like an attack might be on. Or maybe the endless punting the ball out of play for no reason. The day most of these players put on a Charlton shirt for the last time can't come soon enough.
Jacko’s Body language and demeanor aren’t those of a man confident in his team, players or organisation. Matthews is not Wing Back and on current from he’s not a defender either Gunter is not a full back nor is he a Center Back Leko if playing is never played in a position he may just have a chance of doing well in (except perhaps his surprise cameo as a wing back pre injury) DJ is not a wing back but has been switched from right to left and hooked off here and there. Is he part of the plan? Who is in charge or recruitment in terms of identified needs? Who gets a vote on the name that fills those needs? We can’t defend, if we don't concede we can’t lose, but the detachment between MF and Defence, and the inability to defend balls behind, runs or set pieces is U12 stuff Doesn’t matter how many strikers are injured, they are not going to score 3 or 4 a game to win matches Start at the back and fix it. There is something wrong at the club, in recruitment, in training, in tactics and in commitment. It is not one person, but doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sign of madness
Figure out who we want to keep, and who goes Work with the future, not the past Fix Recruitment, to fit the plan - that is..what position, what style, what name fits the first 2? And the manager gets a say Build from the back, we need a solid base build through MF, Dobson is the only one that looks the part currently but Lee, DJ show some ability, hopefully Fraser will show something, maybe JFC if/when he’s back. The SW wing backs and Bannon ran the game today, we couldn't put a glove on them
In short there is something wrong at this club, and it needs fixing top down and the players need to want to be here and bleed for the shirt.
Gallen and the nepotism Sandgaard should step aside
Then for the rest of the season we need to 1. lower expectations to a 16th - 12th place finish, 2 thereby avoiding relegation and 3. Reducing expectation will reduce the anger and disappointment so mental health is taken care of for us long suffering supporters with 4. Everyone at the club looking at exactly how we make a fist of winning this league next season with a team that can not only win but step up to meet the challenges of the self evident gulf between L1 and the Championship
Great day out with my sons, godson and mate, only spoiled by the 2 hours of the game.
This team is hopeless. If we can get the 3 main strikers back we will be competitive again in matches but overall this squad is no better than mid table 3rd Division.
We are hoping the owner has learned lessons from the recruitment nonsense of last summer, judging by his handing of the free tickets, I'm sceptical whether he is learning/listening and just carry on blindly, which overall is costing him money and wasting a lot of our time
Just got home, I’m absolutely shattered. I feel embarrassed that this group of players represent the club I love. Our fans literally took the piss out of our players today and it’s was the only thing worth the journey. Can’t believe how poor they all are. Famewo couldn’t keep the ball on the pitch and that pass in the second half by Purrington summed it all up. Absolute arseholes.
Noticed this a few times now, same as Leko constantly getting caught offside which someone pointed out on the Match Thread.
Is it because some of em lack respect for Jacko as the manager, resulting in zero discipline and things like the above?
Whilst we all seem to agree a clear out is needed with a new batch of players coming in it does not mean it will happen and match our expectations.
I may be wrong but I do not get the impression Thomas wants to throw 3 million plus at a new squad nor am I sure he has it.
We have to be honest and say we will get very little in transfer fees for the players we have so he will need to dig deep, very deep.
I suspect we will put a new squad together but my fear is it will be made up of loans, inexperienced kids and knackered old journeymen again.
I hope I am wrong
You may well be right but it doesn't stop us getting rid of the out of contract players that are letting us down plus loans and recruiting other clubs out of contract players, who have more to offer and fight.
Especially better players at unfashionable clubs who would likely bite our hands off to join.
I would imagine there are some good players on less money than ours who would grasp the opportunity of playing for us.
Jacko now faces a problem that every manager of clubs below the Premiership face, contracts running down and players looking elsewhere. We have seen it over the years with players allegedly injured or not putting in a shift, I look at the side and wonder if, even without the strikers, have some players put their all in. I think with the forwards returning, Fraser getting back to fitness and Jacko able to put a side out that he trusts, we will be ok. Even if we finish just outside the play offs or just outside the relegation places, next season we should not be signing players who are only here because no one else wants them and certainly not on one year contracts, knowing that they are here just to earn a wage for twelve months.
I'll remind you of that when come late July we are still waiting to sign players & posters on here keep telling us to be patient & that we have until the end of August before the window shuts... .
“When we get some of those guys back we will be stronger – I’ve no doubt we will improve,” Jackson said. “It’s difficult at the moment but I want to finish the season strongly and get a feel-good factor – end the season on a positive note".
“Then we can go away, get the summer exactly how we want it – recruit well and recruit early – get our group together and come back with one aim, which will be to get promoted next season."
There's evidently going to be a bit of a clear out this summer. Some players may already know or suspect they are not going to be here next season. Like Powell was 'son of Curbs', Jacko may have learned a lot from his old Charlton manager. He was one of the few survivors of the big culling, when Chris Powell put together a rebuilt squad, "recruiting well and recruiting early".
We seem to be seeing the same pattern as when Chris Powell took over ..... he inherited a side that either couldn't or wouldn't play the way he wanted. So he sacked off most of his squad and brought in new players that would play his way.
Just my own thoughts, of course.
Jackson can say what he likes. Adkins said the same thing after the Hull game last season & Sandgarrd said we were going to "blow through this league".
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder & so far I've seen nothing over the last 18 months to make me think that we will be any better off next season.
It's clear as day, there's going to be a clearout. Jacko has been dropping hints in his interviews for the past few weeks. He's urging players to play for their futures if they want to be here next season. It's equally clear some players are not busting a gut; perhaps they already know or suspect they'll be gone?
Adkins himself was dealt the short straw. He was promised good players and maybe there were several targets that eventually signed for other clubs, either at Championship level or just elsewhere for a bigger dollar ..... but they didn't sign for Charlton. Adkins could barely put out a match fit 1st team in August. The players he eventually got, were hopelessly unfit when they signed weeks after the season had already started. That fact alone killed our season right from the first few games.
You'd hope lessons have been learned this time around, and that "recruiting well and recruiting early" has already began in the Janury window with the signing of Aneke and Fraser. There's also been changes in practices involving the recruitment team, which is now more streamlined.
In my original post, I was seeing parallels - and if Jackson is to stay as manager, he at least needs players that will give not only ability but also the required effort and the resilience to fight as a team unit. Chris Powell experienced the same issues in his first season (for example, Dagenham away, anyone?), as Jackson is facing now. Powell, like Curbs before him, played big emphasis on signing players with the right character; even interviewing all prospective signings himself. Jacko would do himself a favour if he did the same.
Player character is everything in football. No team wins anything without that team unit consistantly showing desire and will to win.
You make good points about Atkins. He said he wanted recruitment done early so we would hit the ground running in the new season. Instead recruitment was a shambles and we ended up with players like Arter & Soare at the end of the window. I hope some look at the situation now and then look back to the beginning of the season and realise Atkins was dealt a very bad hand. He was on a hiding to nothing.
The trick now is to learn from that. Need to clear out ALL the dead wood. There can be no room for sentiment so goodbye Inniss & JFC with thanks. Then we need the majority of the squad assembled for the start of pre season with only two or three added after the season has started. If TS doesn’t learn from this seasons mistakes then we can write off the next one too.
I found the shit Adkins received from the fans a bit distasteful at the time, are the same fans that were giving him the bird going to repeat the dose on JJ?, I think the players really need to look at themselves because ultimately they are getting managers the sack and ruining reputations.
On the coach heading back home. What another shower of shite.
Forget injuries Forget poor refs Forget bad luck.
These things apply to every team in the league and not just us.
The bottom line is that this group of players are not good enough.
Where we go from here depends on how deep Sandgaard s pockets are but one thing is certain without a major overhaul nothing will change.
We had a major overhaul last summer and things have got even worse. What makes you think this summer will be any different.
We have around 10 players out of contract or going due to being on loan. Then you have to think about replacing some of the players already under contract that you might not want like Kirk or Gilbey. So you are looking at 12 or so players that you need to recruit. And our recent record of this sort of "churn" has not been good.
Not really. We signed Stockley early and then there was the long waiting period during which our '1st choice targets' signed for other clubs.
Pretty close to the beginning of the season, we signed MacKeeper, Clare, Dobson plus resigned Matthews and Famewo. Then once the season had already started, the winger from Crewe followed by the deadline day signings of Lee, Leko and Scott Parker's brother-in-law.
Maybe I've forgotten someone but you get my point - it wasn't a major overhaul: we let go/lost players and loans, replacing them with anyone else who still happened to be available at the last minute. They weren't our 1st choices but we were getting desperate and they plugged some holes in the squad.
We really can't afford to muck about like that this coming summer. We need our list of targets now and approaches made as soon as it's ethically possible to do so. We've already started, signing Aneke and Fraser.
And players not just signed for their ability on the ball - we need proper characters who will fit into a team unit that has the will to win.
That's where we need to do our homework.
If you dont think signing 10 players is a major overhaul then I despair. SG is on record saying that he hopes that by signing players on longer contracts (Kirk 5 years & Aneke 3.5) then we wont be needing to do it every summer......but here we are discussing the need to replace half a dozen out of contract players plus filling the 6 spaces left by the loanees.
My son was at the game, just texted me the following:- I don't know what the problem is but that was a relegation fodder performance totally lacking in quality or heart. Worried now.
Sorry, but any massive clear out, should include Jackson. He is completely clueless what to do…….. ! He will put us in league 2 before he puts us in the Championship.
“When we get some of those guys back we will be stronger – I’ve no doubt we will improve,” Jackson said. “It’s difficult at the moment but I want to finish the season strongly and get a feel-good factor – end the season on a positive note".
“Then we can go away, get the summer exactly how we want it – recruit well and recruit early – get our group together and come back with one aim, which will be to get promoted next season."
There's evidently going to be a bit of a clear out this summer. Some players may already know or suspect they are not going to be here next season. Like Powell was 'son of Curbs', Jacko may have learned a lot from his old Charlton manager. He was one of the few survivors of the big culling, when Chris Powell put together a rebuilt squad, "recruiting well and recruiting early".
We seem to be seeing the same pattern as when Chris Powell took over ..... he inherited a side that either couldn't or wouldn't play the way he wanted. So he sacked off most of his squad and brought in new players that would play his way.
Just my own thoughts, of course.
Jackson can say what he likes. Adkins said the same thing after the Hull game last season & Sandgarrd said we were going to "blow through this league".
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder & so far I've seen nothing over the last 18 months to make me think that we will be any better off next season.
It's clear as day, there's going to be a clearout. Jacko has been dropping hints in his interviews for the past few weeks. He's urging players to play for their futures if they want to be here next season. It's equally clear some players are not busting a gut; perhaps they already know or suspect they'll be gone?
Adkins himself was dealt the short straw. He was promised good players and maybe there were several targets that eventually signed for other clubs, either at Championship level or just elsewhere for a bigger dollar ..... but they didn't sign for Charlton. Adkins could barely put out a match fit 1st team in August. The players he eventually got, were hopelessly unfit when they signed weeks after the season had already started. That fact alone killed our season right from the first few games.
You'd hope lessons have been learned this time around, and that "recruiting well and recruiting early" has already began in the Janury window with the signing of Aneke and Fraser. There's also been changes in practices involving the recruitment team, which is now more streamlined.
I can't say I'm happy about any set up that includes sandgaards son.
If he's proving capable and respected for what he's doing by other key members of the recruitment team, what is the problem?
Being part of a team I doubt we'll ever know if he's proving capable or being respected for what he's doing by other key members of the recruitment team. Personally in such an important role as player recruitment I would prefer someone with at least a bit of experience in professional football to be our Director of recruitment analysis. The only experience seemingly required at the moment is to be the son of the owner.
The only positive is that more and more fans are coming to the conclusion we need a complete overhaul. A few weeks ago, some of us were still clinging to keeping ‘the spine’ or ‘the core’ or ‘these 5 or 6’, whatever. Now, we’re coming to the realisation we’ve got more shit than we thought we did
This squad of players are tediously bland and have absolutely zero fight in them. We could have played another half of football and still come nowhere near scoring.
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Only positives are firstly that we still have an eight point cushion from the relegation places. Secondly we still have to play 3 of the present bottom 4. I we win those (or even don't lose those) we should be alright with the odd draw on top.
Jacko took over with us embedded in the relegation zone. It will be a success, this season, having climbed out of it to stay out of it.
I may be wrong but I do not get the impression Thomas wants to throw 3 million plus at a new squad nor am I sure he has it.
We have to be honest and say we will get very little in transfer fees for the players we have so he will need to dig deep, very deep.
I suspect we will put a new squad together but my fear is it will be made up of loans, inexperienced kids and knackered old journeymen again.
I hope I am wrong
Matthews is not Wing Back and on current from he’s not a defender either
Gunter is not a full back nor is he a Center Back
Leko if playing is never played in a position he may just have a chance of doing well in (except perhaps his surprise cameo as a wing back pre injury)
DJ is not a wing back but has been switched from right to left and hooked off here and there. Is he part of the plan?
Who is in charge or recruitment in terms of identified needs?
Who gets a vote on the name that fills those needs?
We can’t defend, if we don't concede we can’t lose, but the detachment between MF and Defence, and the inability to defend balls behind, runs or set pieces is U12 stuff
Doesn’t matter how many strikers are injured, they are not going to score 3 or 4 a game to win matches
Start at the back and fix it.
There is something wrong at the club, in recruitment, in training, in tactics and in commitment. It is not one person, but doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sign of madness
Figure out who we want to keep, and who goes
Work with the future, not the past
Fix Recruitment, to fit the plan - that is..what position, what style, what name fits the first 2? And the manager gets a say
Build from the back, we need a solid base
build through MF, Dobson is the only one that looks the part currently but Lee, DJ show some ability, hopefully Fraser will show something, maybe JFC if/when he’s back. The SW wing backs and Bannon ran the game today, we couldn't put a glove on them
In short there is something wrong at this club, and it needs fixing top down and the players need to want to be here and bleed for the shirt.
Gallen and the nepotism Sandgaard should step aside
Then for the rest of the season we need to 1. lower expectations to a 16th - 12th place finish, 2 thereby avoiding relegation and 3. Reducing expectation will reduce the anger and disappointment so mental health is taken care of for us long suffering supporters with 4. Everyone at the club looking at exactly how we make a fist of winning this league next season with a team that can not only win but step up to meet the challenges of the self evident gulf between L1 and the Championship
This team is hopeless. If we can get the 3 main strikers back we will be competitive again in matches but overall this squad is no better than mid table 3rd Division.
We are hoping the owner has learned lessons from the recruitment nonsense of last summer, judging by his handing of the free tickets, I'm sceptical whether he is learning/listening and just carry on blindly, which overall is costing him money and wasting a lot of our time
Is it because some of em lack respect for Jacko as the manager, resulting in zero discipline and things like the above?
(PS: I blame covid and the covidiot anti-vax brigade!)
Especially better players at unfashionable clubs who would likely bite our hands off to join.
I would imagine there are some good players on less money than ours who would grasp the opportunity of playing for us.
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/injuries/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors
I don't know what the problem is but that was a relegation fodder performance totally lacking in quality or heart. Worried now.
This squad of players are tediously bland and have absolutely zero fight in them. We could have played another half of football and still come nowhere near scoring.
Disgraceful.