Jacko has had terrible luck with injuries but I believe he has backed the wrong horses and that includes the formation. Of course if I told you the horses I would have backed I'm sure there would be a lot of disagreement. We can't sack our whole squad and we need a squad, not just eleven so the ones I would keep, not necessarily as starters would be: MacG as backup keeper, Purrington as back up defender, Lavelle as back up defender, Pearce as a coach only to be used in emergencies, Dobson, Fraser, Gilbey (I think he is a better player than he is showing), Stockley, Washington and Aneke, and only him because we are stuck with him although I rate him when he isn't injured.
I am not sure about CBT and JFC will depend on his recovery. Innis is too fragile, which is a shame as I would have him otherwise. DJ as backup possibly. There are quite a few gaps there so a Powell like recruitment would be needed. Morgan has had his chances. It feels like we need transfers of Pope or Gomez or both to happen to fund what will be required.
Jacko has had terrible luck with injuries but I believe he has backed the wrong horses and that includes the formation. Of course if I told you the horses I would have backed I'm sure there would be a lot of disagreement. We can't sack our whole squad and we need a squad, not just eleven so the ones I would keep, not necessarily as starters would be: MacG as backup keeper, Purrington as back up defender, Lavelle as back up defender, Pearce as a coach only to be used in emergencies, Dobson, Fraser, Gilbey (I think he is a better player than he is showing), Stockley, Washington and Aneke, and only him because we are stuck with him although I rate him when he isn't injured.
I am not sure about CBT and JFC will depend on his recovery. Innis is too fragile, which is a shame as I would have him otherwise. DJ as backup. There are quite a few gaps there so a Powell like recruitment would be needed. Morgan has had his chances.
Will TS be prepared to make that many signings( and it’s definitely what’s needed) when he’s quoting only a couple are required to be added?…. I’m hoping his outlook is being severely changed by what he’s seeing from the current failures we have.
Didn’t go, didn’t watch it, didn’t listen to it, didn’t follow it on Twitter, didn’t follow it on the radio. Expected to lose. I’m not enjoying this season and if / when we lose on Tuesday, we’re right in the doggy doo. In all of my years of following Charlton, this is most definitely the worst it’s ever been. And believe me, we had to endure some crap in the 70’s. If we survive relegation, Sangaard has got to clear every one out from top to bottom and get a management team in who knows what it takes to get us out of this goddam league
I’m struggling with the idea that so many of our players aren’t motivated because they have nothing to play for, as surely that applies to many of opponents too.
Accrington are safe in mid table for another season, they have loan players who are unlikely to return, and I bet they have players out of contract this summer too. They’ll give 100% for the rest of the season
Exactly. You would think the last thing our out of contract players would want on their cv is the bit that says "A member of the Charlton Athletic team that got relegated to League 2 in the 2021/22 season" which isnt beyond our 'capabilities' the way we're playing atm. Tuesday is a must win game. No more excuses and 'we go again' bollocks.
One thing that was quite noticeable at the stadium yesterday. The bar area was relatively busy with about 10 mins to go before half time. It genuinely felt as though a lot of fans just knew we wasn’t getting back into it after the 2nd goal.
And then when the 2nd half started, I’m not sure many of them even came back into the stand. Just a massive feeling of apathy.
Who are all these players we need going to be next season?, we are becoming less and less attractive to come and play for, the sell is going to have to be very hard. We’re being overtaken by sides I’d never thought possible. Even the possible loans coming in will be of lower quality, who wants there players going to a struggling league one side? The days of bielik, Cullen, type loans have gone I think, we hadn’t fallen quite so low and had at the time a manager that had a bit of pull to play for. We don’t have that now. So that leaves the good old carrot of spunking loads of doe on fees and contracts, is TS going to do that?. My optimism has diminished quite a lot with the shite that has been served up this season, particularly as at the start I was really excited for the season. There is a real need to make some positive signings extremely early ready for next season, otherwise there will be a big shock coming for TS when it comes to season ticket sales because at the moment there’s nothing to make people rush out and spend there well earned in the current financial climate.
Didn’t go, didn’t watch it, didn’t listen to it, didn’t follow it on Twitter, didn’t follow it on the radio. Expected to lose. I’m not enjoying this season and if / when we lose on Tuesday, we’re right in the doggy doo. In all of my years of following Charlton, this is most definitely the worst it’s ever been. And believe me, we had to endure some crap in the 70’s. If we survive relegation, Sangaard has got to clear every one out from top to bottom and get a management team in who knows what it takes to get us out of this goddam league
Even in some of the crap seasons of the late 70's & early /mid 80's we had teams who could attack & score. Killer became our all time top goalscorer in his 2nd stint, scoring in just over 1 in 2, and we got relegated once & also survived on the last day during that time. We might have lost games but we put up a fight & made the fans proud. I dont think I've seen a worse bunch of non scoring useless players.
Who are all these players we need going to be next season?, we are becoming less and less attractive to come and play for, the sell is going to have to be very hard. We’re being overtaken by sides I’d never thought possible. Even the possible loans coming in will be of lower quality, who wants there players going to a struggling league one side? The days of bielik, Cullen, type loans have gone I think, we hadn’t fallen quite so low and had at the time a manager that had a bit of pull to play for. We don’t have that now. So that leaves the good old carrot of spunking loads of doe on fees and contracts, is TS going to do that?. My optimism has diminished quite a lot with the shite that has been served up this season, particularly as at the start I was really excited for the season. There is a real need to make some positive signings extremely early ready for next season, otherwise there will be a big shock coming for TS when it comes to season ticket sales because at the moment there’s nothing to make people rush out and spend there well earned in the current financial climate.
It is a risk, but maybe the players are already with us at development level. What is needed is a couple of no nonsense, bossy, demonstrate by example mother hens to lead the chicks. i.e not Elliot Lee, or Leko, or Gilbey…and other drink of water types, more the Pratley type. Oh and personally I think we need a much much better goalkeeper.
As bad as it is, we’re obviously not going down, so I’m not sure why people keep talking as though we are. If you genuinely think we will then put your money where your mouth is, as we’re currently 80/1.
I'm not going to do it for this season but I'm already thinking of doing it for next season.
Everyone is wondering what the problem is but for me I'm sure it's the owner and his arrogant approach. I think that he may even be he insisting on the formation. He's said that he like lots of wing play.
The players could make more effort but it's hard to be motivated and play with determination if what you see going in around you seems so unprofessional compared to other clubs.
Going back with Charlton, I remember Lawrie Wilson was quite good in the wing back position before his legs went. Jaiyesemi has shown that he can defend, and is good going forward. He might hack it. Purrington can put a good cross in, but is not the quickest. Wing back, is a tricky position and needs good positional sense. They have to be good going forward and protecting the full back position.
If the player being asked to play wing back is the wrong player, who doesn't defend well or is not good going forward then the benefits of the wing back are lost.
How many genuine specialist wing backs are there currently in the league, and are available ?
Who are all these players we need going to be next season?, we are becoming less and less attractive to come and play for, the sell is going to have to be very hard. We’re being overtaken by sides I’d never thought possible. Even the possible loans coming in will be of lower quality, who wants there players going to a struggling league one side? The days of bielik, Cullen, type loans have gone I think, we hadn’t fallen quite so low and had at the time a manager that had a bit of pull to play for. We don’t have that now. So that leaves the good old carrot of spunking loads of doe on fees and contracts, is TS going to do that?. My optimism has diminished quite a lot with the shite that has been served up this season, particularly as at the start I was really excited for the season. There is a real need to make some positive signings extremely early ready for next season, otherwise there will be a big shock coming for TS when it comes to season ticket sales because at the moment there’s nothing to make people rush out and spend there well earned in the current financial climate.
It is a risk, but maybe the players are already with us at development level. What is needed is a couple of no nonsense, bossy, demonstrate by example mother hens to lead the chicks. i.e not Elliot Lee, or Leko, or Gilbey…and other drink of water types, more the Pratley type. Oh and personally I think we need a much much better goalkeeper.
Agree about the GK, he just refuses to get off his line, even when a ball comes through and he needs to sweep up, it all seems an after thought and a rush to get to the ball. Panic just sets into The defenders . Also the Pratley comment is valid, who thought we’d be saying how much we needed a Pratley.🤷🏻♂️
As bad as it is, we’re obviously not going down, so I’m not sure why people keep talking as though we are. If you genuinely think we will then put your money where your mouth is, as we’re currently 80/1.
I'm not going to do it for this season but I'm already thinking of doing it for next season.
Everyone is wondering what the problem is but for me I'm sure it's the owner and his arrogant approach. I think that he may even be he insisting on the formation. He's said that he like lots of wing play.
The players could make more effort but it's hard to be motivated and play with determination if what you see going in around you seems so unprofessional compared to other clubs.
You have to ask yourself why he'd spend his money on wingers, then insist on a wingerless formation because he likes wing play.
Went 1 up courtesy of a lucky pen ( which wasnt a pen ) conceded an equaliser which quite frankly belonged on a Sunday league pitch. Went a goal down by once again allowing a player to cut inside and not showing him outside. Never really looked like scoring just like the last 6 games. Consistently playing players out of position. 30 odd minutes playing against 10 men and they looked more likely to score than we did. Kept to the plan of just hit it long and hope to win the 2nd ball which we hardly ever do. So boring and obviously no plan to try and reverse the situation other than to keep doing the same shit.
Lose Tuesday and JJ needs to be gone Wednesday morning otherwise league two is calling loud and clear
You do expect to be winning a lot more second balls when you have an extra man. This has been a recurring issue for us tthat needs addressing in the summer.
As bad as it is, we’re obviously not going down, so I’m not sure why people keep talking as though we are. If you genuinely think we will then put your money where your mouth is, as we’re currently 80/1.
I'm not going to do it for this season but I'm already thinking of doing it for next season.
Everyone is wondering what the problem is but for me I'm sure it's the owner and his arrogant approach. I think that he may even be he insisting on the formation. He's said that he like lots of wing play.
The players could make more effort but it's hard to be motivated and play with determination if what you see going in around you seems so unprofessional compared to other clubs.
You have to ask yourself why he'd spend his money on wingers, then insist on a wingerless formation because he likes wing play.
Does an interchangeable 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 utilise wingers worse than a 4-4-2? Doesn't it allow more attacking play on the wings? Wing-backs get forward more than traditional full backs, although traditional full backs can overlap with the non-central midfielders. That's for the manager to work out.
Whatever the case I have more faith in Jackson than his employers. I don't put it past TS to think that he understands more about football than the manager.
If there’s nothing wrong behind the scenes, which is the major issue in my opinion, whoever the manager is, why have we not bought a “Pratley type” if we needed one? Equally, I am old enough to remember that Amos wasn’t a bad keeper - a regular in a team far better than us and who may be playing in a league or 2 above us next year. Seems we actually buy and loan to a lower level than those we let go, which I would suggest could be a problem in the longer term unless the aim is to miss the joys of playing Wrexham on our way down and get local derby rights v Bromley.
As bad as it is, we’re obviously not going down, so I’m not sure why people keep talking as though we are. If you genuinely think we will then put your money where your mouth is, as we’re currently 80/1.
I'm not going to do it for this season but I'm already thinking of doing it for next season.
Everyone is wondering what the problem is but for me I'm sure it's the owner and his arrogant approach. I think that he may even be he insisting on the formation. He's said that he like lots of wing play.
The players could make more effort but it's hard to be motivated and play with determination if what you see going in around you seems so unprofessional compared to other clubs.
You have to ask yourself why he'd spend his money on wingers, then insist on a wingerless formation because he likes wing play.
Does an interchangeable 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 utilise wingers worse than a 4-4-2? Doesn't it allow more attacking play on the wings? Wing-backs get forward more than traditional full backs, although traditional full backs can overlap with the non-central midfielders. That's for the manager to work out.
Whatever the case I have more faith in Jackson than his employers. I don't put it past TS to think that he understands more about football than the manager.
Well it doesn't really answer the question. If he was going to insist on a formation surely he'd insist on the one he bought players for.
But anyway I'd say it does utilise wingers much worse. Firstly because of course the 5-3-2 has no dedicated wingers, only wingbacks, and they have to do the defending and the attacking. In the 4-2-3-1 you have two players down the wings with the full-back + winger, and in the 3-5-2 you only have the wingback + somebody else if they're willing to pull out wide and make the run, which doesn't happen often.
TS said recently that he knows no more about football than your average skysports fan.
Just sat through the Quest EFL show. Two things: 1. How many long throws resulting in goals were there!? Loads! Even in the Championship. 2. Our goal celebration after Stockley’s pen was the least convincing in the whole programme. That’s worrying.
I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
Re JJ. And some were saying 'no need to appoint him now just wait until the end of the season' or 'lets see how he reacts to a couple of poor results'. I wasn't convinced either way but can see why he was appointed. The problem for me now is that whilst a lot of these players are not good enough for a top six side they are better than they are currently performing. The buck stops with the manager. I'm not confident on JJ being able to assemble a promotion winning team and if come November we are launguishing mid table then he'd have to go and it would be another season no doubt wasted. The fact we are so far from the play off places suggests a major overhaul is needed and I doubt think we have the people in place to oversee it. Anything less than four points this week and I can't see how JJ survives.
Just been out for a nice ride on my mobility scooter down to Shanklin beachfront. Was a bit disappointed at how many people pointed and laughed at me. Then I remembered I was wearing my Charlton hat.
Just been out for a nice ride on my mobility scooter down to Shanklin beachfront. Was a bit disappointed at how many people pointed and laughed at me. Then I remembered I was wearing my Charlton hat.
They probably assumed you were our star centre forward!
Just been out for a nice ride on my mobility scooter down to Shanklin beachfront. Was a bit disappointed at how many people pointed and laughed at me. Then I remembered I was wearing my Charlton hat.
Was in Shanklin about midday, shame we missed you. Staying the weekend in Rookley, home tomorrow.
One of the problems JJ has, is he's been extolling the virtues of 3-5-2 and wing backs and has told TS & MS that is the winning way.
How does he now go back on that after so many months?
By explaining that it his preferred way of playing but because we dont have the players for it he cant. Show he is adaptable and can get results by utilizing the players he does have by playing a system that suits them. It's called being a "Manager" not just in football but in all walks of life a good Manager will use his team in a way that gets the best results out of them. Sales, marketing, construction, football, it's the same management process. The bloke is in danger of making himself look foolish if he persists
One of the problems JJ has, is he's been extolling the virtues of 3-5-2 and wing backs and has told TS & MS that is the winning way.
How does he now go back on that after so many months?
Thing is, there is no perfect formation, otherwise everyone would be using it. Pick the formation that suits your players. We have about 20 wingers and one slightly dubious wingback. So using the 3-5-2 formation for every single game doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Just been out for a nice ride on my mobility scooter down to Shanklin beachfront. Was a bit disappointed at how many people pointed and laughed at me. Then I remembered I was wearing my Charlton hat.
Was in Shanklin about midday, shame we missed you. Staying the weekend in Rookley, home tomorrow.
Ah that’s a shame. Let me know when you’re next over and come round for a beer.
One of the problems JJ has, is he's been extolling the virtues of 3-5-2 and wing backs and has told TS & MS that is the winning way.
How does he now go back on that after so many months?
By explaining that it his preferred way of playing but because we dont have the players for it he cant. Show he is adaptable and can get results by utilizing the players he does have by playing a system that suits them. It's called being a "Manager" not just in football but in all walks of life a good Manager will use his team in a way that gets the best results out of them. Sales, marketing, construction, football, it's the same management process. The bloke is in danger of making himself look foolish if he persists
I agree, but if he changes the system and by some miracle many of the players start performing well, we start winning and he's told TS/MS that he wanted rid of them because they are not good enough, he's then making himself look foolish.
Comments
I am not sure about CBT and JFC will depend on his recovery. Innis is too fragile, which is a shame as I would have him otherwise. DJ as backup possibly. There are quite a few gaps there so a Powell like recruitment would be needed. Morgan has had his chances. It feels like we need transfers of Pope or Gomez or both to happen to fund what will be required.
And then when the 2nd half started, I’m not sure many of them even came back into the stand. Just a massive feeling of apathy.
What is needed is a couple of no nonsense, bossy, demonstrate by example mother hens to lead the chicks.
i.e not Elliot Lee, or Leko, or Gilbey…and other drink of water types, more the Pratley type.
Oh and personally I think we need a much much better goalkeeper.
In fact, not at all.
Everyone is wondering what the problem is but for me I'm sure it's the owner and his arrogant approach. I think that he may even be he insisting on the formation. He's said that he like lots of wing play.
The players could make more effort but it's hard to be motivated and play with determination if what you see going in around you seems so unprofessional compared to other clubs.
If the player being asked to play wing back is the wrong player, who doesn't defend well or is not good going forward then the benefits of the wing back are lost.
How many genuine specialist wing backs are there currently in the league, and are available ?
So boring and obviously no plan to try and reverse the situation other than to keep doing the same shit.
Lose Tuesday and JJ needs to be gone Wednesday morning otherwise league two is calling loud and clear
Whatever the case I have more faith in Jackson than his employers. I don't put it past TS to think that he understands more about football than the manager.
But anyway I'd say it does utilise wingers much worse. Firstly because of course the 5-3-2 has no dedicated wingers, only wingbacks, and they have to do the defending and the attacking. In the 4-2-3-1 you have two players down the wings with the full-back + winger, and in the 3-5-2 you only have the wingback + somebody else if they're willing to pull out wide and make the run, which doesn't happen often.
TS said recently that he knows no more about football than your average skysports fan.
1. How many long throws resulting in goals were there!? Loads! Even in the Championship.
2. Our goal celebration after Stockley’s pen was the least convincing in the whole programme. That’s worrying.
How does he now go back on that after so many months?
We have about 20 wingers and one slightly dubious wingback. So using the 3-5-2 formation for every single game doesn't really make a lot of sense.