I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
Jackson had a transfer window and signed zero centre-backs and a wing-back that hasn't really played. Signed two attacking midfielders instead (1 of which, again, hasn't played).
If this was the formation chosen, surely those were the priority. That's why he should get (some) blame for this mess.
Yeah. I agree it has been no where near good enough. I already said in the post he's not blameless. Our transfer window was terrible, I think putting that all on Jackson is a bit of stretch anyway.
How does that excuse the countless other crap performances we've had under different systems and managers?
I agree which is why a complete clear out is needed.
NOT appointing the assistant manager of two bad management teams.
Bowyer is doing better at Birmingham without Jackson as his number two. Interesting no?
Birmingham are 19th in the Championship. They finished 18th last year. I think there's a lot of evidence to cite as Jacko being lacking as a coach. But I don't know that how Bowyer is getting in at Brum is one of them.
3 seasons proceeding? 19th, 17th, 20th.
Bowyer is doing fine.
Wasn't doing fine here, what happened in the course of the move? He left our coaching set-up. That is largely still in place other than 1 new person.
The big problem is I would have been upset with the team I managed at youth level when they conceeded a goal like Accrington's first. There were multiple opportunities for somebody to take responsibility and it just didn't happen. I think the term is panic stations. The defence is a shambles and has been for a while. The attack has been non existent and only now we have started getting players back. It is a sorry state of affairs and the club should be embarassed.
I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
Jackson had a transfer window and signed zero centre-backs and a wing-back that hasn't really played. Signed two attacking midfielders instead (1 of which, again, hasn't played).
If this was the formation chosen, surely those were the priority. That's why he should get (some) blame for this mess.
Yeah. I agree it has been no where near good enough. I already said in the post he's not blameless. Our transfer window was terrible, I think putting that all on Jackson is a bit of stretch anyway.
How does that excuse the countless other crap performances we've had under different systems and managers?
I agree which is why a complete clear out is needed.
NOT appointing the assistant manager of two bad management teams.
Bowyer is doing better at Birmingham without Jackson as his number two. Interesting no?
Birmingham are 19th in the Championship. They finished 18th last year. I think there's a lot of evidence to cite as Jacko being lacking as a coach. But I don't know that how Bowyer is getting in at Brum is one of them.
3 seasons proceeding? 19th, 17th, 20th.
Bowyer is doing fine.
Wasn't doing fine here, what happened in the course of the move? He left our coaching set-up. That is largely still in place other than 1 new person.
Bowyer wanted JJ to go to Brum with him so he obviously saw something there that he was happy to have JJ join his staff.
We have to fix the defence. Would any of our current defenders get into, say, the Portsmouth team? I don't think so and Pompey are not much better than average.
JJ after the game "We clearly need to have a shake up and think about what we’re going to do next season and who wants to be a part of it. We’ll find out a lot about players in this run." He's said similar previously along the lines of "Show me that you want to be at this club". I don't get this, if they haven't performed for most of this season, get rid. You can't rely on players who'll only play for the shirt for a few games just because the manager is "threatening" to let them go or transfer them.
I have been going for 40 years. Got a season ticket. Helped leaflet to get back to The Valley, helped clear The Valley, went on the protest march in Belgium; convinced my kids to support us, travelled up and down the country to games, posted on here over 10k times. Today I had a free log in to watch and couldn't be bothered so went out and enjoyed a nice afternoon then watched the rugby.
Fill The Valley. You're having a laugh.
No idea what is wrong but it feels more like, what is not wrong at the moment. Massive changes needed in the summer I just hope we are still in L1 next season (which is a proper crazy thing to even be saying). I am not expecting to be though as our players are poor AND have given up. A unique combination.
I could have written those words, AC, as they almost mirror my Charlton history .
And, sadly, I am fast coming to the same conclusion although I did still watch the stream this afternoon, more in hope than expectation.
So many emotions battling for space in my old head tonight ranging from sadness, confusion & depression to downright anger at how low our club has been allowed to fall.
And the worst part is that my enthusiasm for attending matches is faltering as another barren weekend is mourned.
I'm almost wishing that negative LFT I hoped for doesn't appear until after Tuesday.....I'm not sure I could stand to hear the boos ring out from 3 sides of our Valley when the final whistle is blown. At home, I can at least switch off the stream.
There are so many reasons or even excuses bandied around on here for our demise but none of them totally resonate with me.
Of course, a change of manager, a change of formation, injuries & the dreaded " being found out" will be elements contributing to this horrific downturn but as Brownie hinted in the studio earlier, there's more to this situation ( than meets the eye ? ) What the feck could that mean ? And as another Lifer stated, our ex defender looked quite emotional when Jacko's demeanour was mentioned....or am I imagining this ?
I guess I'm someone that is constantly looking for answers ...as well as the winning Lottery numbers. I don't like grey areas.
With SCP & Duchatelet, it was evident that the latter was, in effect, telling the former which players to play in addition to presenting the gaffer with additions to his squad without consultation.
Is there a factor in any shape or form that might be the major reason for everything going belly up currently ?
Or is Fanny finally losing the plot & looking for answers that just don't exist......
Not saying i think JJ is the answer, but these players are pony.
But what I don’t understand is how they managed to go on that good run? We only lost two in 13 during a period in October - December. How have those same players looked so awful over the past couple of months? It can’t just be that they got a “new manager bounce” - the additional motivation of having a new boss to impress can’t make dreadful players decent.
I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
Jackson had a transfer window and signed zero centre-backs and a wing-back that hasn't really played. Signed two attacking midfielders instead (1 of which, again, hasn't played).
If this was the formation chosen, surely those were the priority. That's why he should get (some) blame for this mess.
Yeah. I agree it has been no where near good enough. I already said in the post he's not blameless. Our transfer window was terrible, I think putting that all on Jackson is a bit of stretch anyway.
How does that excuse the countless other crap performances we've had under different systems and managers?
I agree which is why a complete clear out is needed.
NOT appointing the assistant manager of two bad management teams.
Bowyer is doing better at Birmingham without Jackson as his number two. Interesting no?
Birmingham are 19th in the Championship. They finished 18th last year. I think there's a lot of evidence to cite as Jacko being lacking as a coach. But I don't know that how Bowyer is getting in at Brum is one of them.
3 seasons proceeding? 19th, 17th, 20th.
Bowyer is doing fine.
Wasn't doing fine here, what happened in the course of the move? He left our coaching set-up. That is largely still in place other than 1 new person.
You'll need those during the next 21 potential points.
Not too many years ago the was an advertisement on tv that used Accrington Stanley as the butt and punchline of a joke. Who’s laughing now. Simply not good enough. Pathetic .
Not too many years ago the was an advertisement on tv that used Accrington Stanley as the butt and punchline of a joke. Who’s laughing now. Simply not good enough. Pathetic .
Just posted on the Jacko thread, not sure I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere, but the stubbornness with persisting at 3-5-2 is so bad that we ended today with Fraser at LCB…
Not too many years ago the was an advertisement on tv that used Accrington Stanley as the butt and punchline of a joke. Who’s laughing now. Simply not good enough. Pathetic .
We have been pretty average away all season. For me, it is because we struggle too much to score goals. We have too many players who are not good enough to justify the fact they never score. Dobson is the exception to this.
But Lee, Gilbey and Fraser are not goal shy in theory. They seem to be in practice. Gilbey seemed to be getting his fair share of chances but they were not going in. Lee is an attacking midfileder and Fraser isn't goal shy. So why do they seem so?
They probably need space and time that a handful front two creates. Jacko hasn't had that, but hasn't altered his style whatsoever. The central defenders have to be able to win headers at both ends. I think we need a defensive shake up and we should expect goals from the players we bring in.
When Jacko got the job he was able to react to the errors Adkins made. What he doesn't seem to be able to do is react to his own circumstances. I'm not sure why that is. I have been calling out playing two toothless strikers for weeks. Maybe now with players back and coming into full fitness, we will dodge the bullet, but why hasn't he changed things before? I woud like to know from his perspective.
I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
Jackson had a transfer window and signed zero centre-backs and a wing-back that hasn't really played. Signed two attacking midfielders instead (1 of which, again, hasn't played).
If this was the formation chosen, surely those were the priority. That's why he should get (some) blame for this mess.
Yeah. I agree it has been no where near good enough. I already said in the post he's not blameless. Our transfer window was terrible, I think putting that all on Jackson is a bit of stretch anyway.
How does that excuse the countless other crap performances we've had under different systems and managers?
I agree which is why a complete clear out is needed.
NOT appointing the assistant manager of two bad management teams.
Bowyer is doing better at Birmingham without Jackson as his number two. Interesting no?
Birmingham are 19th in the Championship. They finished 18th last year. I think there's a lot of evidence to cite as Jacko being lacking as a coach. But I don't know that how Bowyer is getting in at Brum is one of them.
3 seasons proceeding? 19th, 17th, 20th.
Bowyer is doing fine.
Wasn't doing fine here, what happened in the course of the move? He left our coaching set-up. That is largely still in place other than 1 new person.
You'll need those during the next 21 potential points.
B..but Aneke is coming back soon.
Don’t be an arse.
I am shocked by how keen you are to find tenuous links to stick the boot into a club legend. He’s not covering himself in glory but some of this is just baseless and nasty.
You made a silly comparison to Bowyer and how he’s doing at Brum, got called out on it and still doubled down.
Are you going to give Jackson any credit for his part in the coaching set up for the 18/19 promotion or are we just focusing on the bits that suit your position?
I have been going for 40 years. Got a season ticket. Helped leaflet to get back to The Valley, helped clear The Valley, went on the protest march in Belgium; convinced my kids to support us, travelled up and down the country to games, posted on here over 10k times. Today I had a free log in to watch and couldn't be bothered so went out and enjoyed a nice afternoon then watched the rugby.
Fill The Valley. You're having a laugh.
No idea what is wrong but it feels more like, what is not wrong at the moment. Massive changes needed in the summer I just hope we are still in L1 next season (which is a proper crazy thing to even be saying). I am not expecting to be though as our players are poor AND have given up. A unique combination.
I could have written those words, AC, as they almost mirror my Charlton history .
And, sadly, I am fast coming to the same conclusion although I did still watch the stream this afternoon, more in hope than expectation.
So many emotions battling for space in my old head tonight ranging from sadness, confusion & depression to downright anger at how low our club has been allowed to fall.
And the worst part is that my enthusiasm for attending matches is faltering as another barren weekend is mourned.
I'm almost wishing that negative LFT I hoped for doesn't appear until after Tuesday.....I'm not sure I could stand to hear the boos ring out from 3 sides of our Valley when the final whistle is blown. At home, I can at least switch off the stream.
There are so many reasons or even excuses bandied around on here for our demise but none of them totally resonate with me.
Of course, a change of manager, a change of formation, injuries & the dreaded " being found out" will be elements contributing to this horrific downturn but as Brownie hinted in the studio earlier, there's more to this situation ( than meets the eye ? ) What the feck could that mean ? And as another Lifer stated, our ex defender looked quite emotional when Jacko's demeanour was mentioned....or am I imagining this ?
I guess I'm someone that is constantly looking for answers ...as well as the winning Lottery numbers. I don't like grey areas.
With SCP & Duchatelet, it was evident that the latter was, in effect, telling the former which players to play in addition to presenting the gaffer with additions to his squad without consultation.
Is there a factor in any shape or form that might be the major reason for everything going belly up currently ?
Or is Fanny finally losing the plot & looking for answers that just don't exist......
Right, you. Sort yourself out.
I don't need to say this ... but I will.
Your enthusiasm is not faltering. You have supported this team in more difficult circumstances for more years than we both care to recall. You have done the 92, ten times over.
Cut you in half, and it reads "Charlton Athletic and proud."
You will be there on Tuesday ... as I will ... because your team needs you now more than ever. Let's show Sandgaard how to 'Fill The Valley'. Not through some tawdry cheap ticket promotion ... but because we care.
Let's educate this guy on how it's done.
Passion. Stupidity. Blind faith. The ghosts of our predecessors. Whatever.
I hate where we are as a Club right now. But people like you are the way out of it.
Delete that post if you can. You don't mean it, and you'll regret the show of weakness.
Yes I know we're rubbish, but how about looking on the bright side. Instead of finishing the season just drifting in mid table mediocrity, we've got a run of games that are really important with a lot to play for. I'm looking forward to these games which is something I haven't had much of this season. I am a supporter of some sixty years so know what it means to be a Charlton fan.
Not saying i think JJ is the answer, but these players are pony.
But what I don’t understand is how they managed to go on that good run? We only lost two in 13 during a period in October - December. How have those same players looked so awful over the past couple of months? It can’t just be that they got a “new manager bounce” - the additional motivation of having a new boss to impress can’t make dreadful players decent.
Because they were all giving 100%, closing players down, hunting in packs. Attacking with speed & purpose. Once you stop giving 100% you stop putting the opposition under pressure, you stop winning those tackles. They have the time to play around you because they're not being challenged. Maybe it's a fitness thing & they're not capable of giving 100% for 90minutes game after game. I'm reminded of a bbc clip of Shearer talking after a Man U v Citeh derby & the difference between the teams. When MC attacked the MU defenders stood back or at best trotted forwards& tried to jockey the attackers away. When MU attacked they were immediately put under pressure from MC players sprinting towards them to challenge & even with 2 minutes remaining with city easy 2-0 winners de bruyne chased back half the length of the pitch to put in a challenge. While we don't expect super stars it's not too much to expect 100% commitment. Oh for a Mark Kinsella.
I had been clutching the straw that it looks like Forest Green, Sutton and Newport might all go up and provide three new grounds to visit only to suddenly fear that we'll be swapping places with them.
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And, sadly, I am fast coming to the same conclusion although I did still watch the stream this afternoon, more in hope than expectation.
So many emotions battling for space in my old head tonight ranging from sadness, confusion & depression to downright anger at how low our club has been allowed to fall.
And the worst part is that my enthusiasm for attending matches is faltering as another barren weekend is mourned.
I'm almost wishing that negative LFT I hoped for doesn't appear until after Tuesday.....I'm not sure I could stand to hear the boos ring out from 3 sides of our Valley when the final whistle is blown. At home, I can at least switch off the stream.
There are so many reasons or even excuses bandied around on here for our demise but none of them totally resonate with me.
Of course, a change of manager, a change of formation, injuries & the dreaded " being found out" will be elements contributing to this horrific downturn but as Brownie hinted in the studio earlier, there's more to this situation ( than meets the eye ? ) What the feck could that mean ? And as another Lifer stated, our ex defender looked quite emotional when Jacko's demeanour was mentioned....or am I imagining this ?
I guess I'm someone that is constantly looking for answers ...as well as the winning Lottery numbers. I don't like grey areas.
With SCP & Duchatelet, it was evident that the latter was, in effect, telling the former which players to play in addition to presenting the gaffer with additions to his squad without consultation.
Is there a factor in any shape or form that might be the major reason for everything going belly up currently ?
Or is Fanny finally losing the plot & looking for answers that just don't exist......
B..but Aneke is coming back soon.
As as an aside, are our keepers progressing under the GK coach we brought in last summer?
Mac, Matthews, Lavelle, Famewo, Purrington; Dobson, Gilbey, Morgan, Fraser; Washington, Stockley
Simple.
But Lee, Gilbey and Fraser are not goal shy in theory. They seem to be in practice. Gilbey seemed to be getting his fair share of chances but they were not going in. Lee is an attacking midfileder and Fraser isn't goal shy. So why do they seem so?
They probably need space and time that a handful front two creates. Jacko hasn't had that, but hasn't altered his style whatsoever. The central defenders have to be able to win headers at both ends. I think we need a defensive shake up and we should expect goals from the players we bring in.
When Jacko got the job he was able to react to the errors Adkins made. What he doesn't seem to be able to do is react to his own circumstances. I'm not sure why that is. I have been calling out playing two toothless strikers for weeks. Maybe now with players back and coming into full fitness, we will dodge the bullet, but why hasn't he changed things before? I woud like to know from his perspective.
The plan for next year better be a stonker otherwise we could be in for long while of league 1 mediocrity.
Given the form they are on will take them into league 2(4th division).
I am shocked by how keen you are to find tenuous links to stick the boot into a club legend. He’s not covering himself in glory but some of this is just baseless and nasty.
You made a silly comparison to Bowyer and how he’s doing at Brum, got called out on it and still doubled down.
Are you going to give Jackson any credit for his part in the coaching set up for the 18/19 promotion or are we just focusing on the bits that suit your position?
And they make Fisherman's Friends.
And play the Captain Pugwash pirate tune after every goal.
We have a long way to go.
Right, you. Sort yourself out.
I don't need to say this ... but I will.
Your enthusiasm is not faltering. You have supported this team in more difficult circumstances for more years than we both care to recall. You have done the 92, ten times over.
Cut you in half, and it reads "Charlton Athletic and proud."
You will be there on Tuesday ... as I will ... because your team needs you now more than ever. Let's show Sandgaard how to 'Fill The Valley'. Not through some tawdry cheap ticket promotion ... but because we care.
Let's educate this guy on how it's done.
Passion. Stupidity. Blind faith. The ghosts of our predecessors. Whatever.
I hate where we are as a Club right now. But people like you are the way out of it.
Delete that post if you can. You don't mean it, and you'll regret the show of weakness.
See you Tuesday, Jean.