Is it me or does it feel like the general majority view among fans is that Alfie May is the next Ajose, whilst Cole Stockton is the next best thing since sliced bread - even though they actually both have very similar records leading up to having one good season last year where they both scored 26 league goals.
I don't think I would risk spending the money on either to be honest.
1. Different playing styles 2. Streaks of goals 3. Calibre of teammates
- Although their records are identical, it’s what Stockton is able to bring to the team past his goalscoring that makes him more likely to kick on IMO. If May doesn’t score, what does he bring?
- May is also a streakier goalscorer. Stockton scored his 23 goals from 19 different games whereas May’s 23 came from 16 games including four in one match against Wycombe. Is that going to happen for him again?
- Of all the players, I was most impressed by Stockton when Morecambe visited the Valley. In contrast, I was more impressed by Cheltenham’s midfielders than I was by Alfie May earlier in the season. It’s only one game for each but it makes me lean towards thinking Stockton can be even better with better teammates. Did May already reach his ceiling?
Other than Bannan, Stockton imo was comfortably the best player to visit the valley. Intelligent runs, looked strong and quick, dangerous with the ball at his feet and he of course scored. I’m fairly confident if we were to sign him he would have a similar impact that Lyle Taylor had for us, think he’s just hit his peak and we could really benefit from him.
Saying that I also think May is worth the money at 500k, would be an upgrade on Washington
Good forwards really are the hardest players to find. We unearthed a great signing in Lyle Taylor when we got him, particularly on a free. I didn’t know he was going to turn out to be as good as he was when we got him, obviously it ended badly.
May’s a great example of how overinflated the market is. First real big season of goals at this level and bang, reportedly £500k fee. We definitely need another one and I still think we need better than both Stockley and Aneke. Where and who that is based on our budget, I have no idea
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
May is 29 and has only ever had 1 good season in league football.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
May is 29 and has only ever had 1 good season in league football.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
Very true and hard to counter. But as mentioned above the loveable rogue Lyle Taylor never peaked till his late 20s, Yann also. Some players realise their potential late on, May could be one of them, the handful of times I saw him last season he was very good in a side not as strong as we’ll be this season.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
May is 29 and has only ever had 1 good season in league football.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
Very true and hard to counter. But as mentioned above the loveable rogue Lyle Taylor never peaked till his late 20s, Yann also. Some players realise their potential late on, May could be one of them, the handful of times I saw him last season he was very good in a side not as strong as we’ll be this season.
I think that’s the issue really, he could be one of them but there is just as much chance he is another Ajose. An expensive gamble with no re-sale value if you get it wrong.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
May is 29 and has only ever had 1 good season in league football.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
Exactly. Until this season Alfie May had 7 League One goals in 2.5 seasons before being loaned down to League Two. Imagine accusing our staff of 'bad scouting' because we didn't pick up a player who didn't even look particularly brilliant in League Two when he was there. One good season aged 28 and we apparently missed the opportunity of a lifetime to sign a player 6 years before he looked any good. I wonder how our scouts sleep at night
It's a gamble that clubs/managers have to weigh up. Someone like (just for example) Washington will "only" score somewhere around 10-12 goals a season but he's been fairly consistent about that. Or you take a chance on someone like a May, Stockton or McKirdy who could have a fluke season or could be late developing, and might end up anywhere between 2 goals and 20+.
It seems like Gallen and Co. feel like they can do better and find that goal scorer but as ever we wait and see. IF there really is a top level striker to be signed I doubt they will come cheap, or easy, so it may be a while yet.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
May is 29 and has only ever had 1 good season in league football.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
Very true and hard to counter. But as mentioned above the loveable rogue Lyle Taylor never peaked till his late 20s, Yann also. Some players realise their potential late on, May could be one of them, the handful of times I saw him last season he was very good in a side not as strong as we’ll be this season.
I think that’s the issue really, he could be one of them but there is just as much chance he is another Ajose. An expensive gamble with no re-sale value if you get it wrong.
Agree probably doesn’t fit the profile for that reason.
Still cannot believe Alfie May played for VCD and Erith & Belvedere and we didn't pick him up. Bad scouting . He looked impressive as did Cole Stockton. If we are going to get promoted we need either one or both. We need depth.
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
Ajose never had a run in the team? He appeared in 21 out of 27 games his first season before being sent out on loan. He started 17 of those games. He was rubbish in almost all of them.
Cheltenham hitting back, not much they can do if a club like us if similar come in for him. He's apparently not in their squad today, not sure why. I’ve been shouting about May for a while, we should be in for him.
I’d prefer us not to be spending 500k on Alfie May based on his stats, because overall they are not great. I’d hope we’re looking at some more consistency and goals over a few seasons.
I’m not convinced by May either, isn’t he more of a poacher? Stockton should be more suited to a lone striker role but I can’t see us having both him and Stockley.
I’m sure we’ll sign a striker, the type we bring in will be interesting.
When your looking at a striker, especially at league 1 level (ie your not going to get a complete 1) isn't the first question what do you actually want them to do?
Both Hull and Wigan's number 9s weren't their main source of goals.
At the moment Stockley is our only source of goals, yet we don't have a McGeady type winger. Stockley would have scored a lot of goals in place of Wyke in that Sunderland team. Stockley would have scored enough in both Hull and Wigan's teams.
If we are going to sign someone like a Wilkes or a Twine or a Jackson that is going to score 15-20 goals from else where Stockley becomes much less of an issue. If you think he is an issue.
If we start the season with Stockley as the "weak link" we will be well set, very well set.
Stockton should be more suited to a lone striker role but I can’t see us having both him and Stockley.
Why? He's far more mobile and busy than Stockley
So was Washington but he was never a lone striker. Does May play up front on his own for Cheltenham? Is he physical enough to do it while retaining his goal threat? Might be wrong but I thought they played a form of 3-5-2 against us.
Oh yeah because before Lyle signed for us he was a goal machine? Bar the few years at Wimbledon, his record wasn’t great yet he was great for us and at his peak. May would be similar with better quality around him.
Oh yeah because before Lyle signed for us he was a goal machine? Bar the few years at Wimbledon, his record wasn’t great yet he was great for us and at his peak. May would be similar with better quality around him.
Oh yeah because before Lyle signed for us he was a goal machine? Bar the few years at Wimbledon, his record wasn’t great yet he was great for us and at his peak. May would be similar with better quality around him.
You are right that they had similar scoring records, but Taylor was a free, which makes a massive difference.
Over the previous 3 seasons before they joined us:
Taylor had scored 44 league goals (Two seasons at League 1 and one at League 2) Ajose had scored 38 league goals (all three of those seasons at League 1 level) May has scored 39 league goals (Two seasons at League 2 and one at League 1)
One of those signings worked out, the other didn't. And that is the fact of the matter that at the level we are at, and the pool of players we can pick from, it is very difficult to find guaranteed success. The moment you are having to pay actual fees to get a player in, on limited resources, you are taking a massive gamble.
Which is why I would not be paying a fee for either Stockton or May. I am not saying they are rubbish, or going to be rubbish, but I just don't see either at 28 with their previous records as close to a risk worth taking on a fee.
Oh yeah because before Lyle signed for us he was a goal machine? Bar the few years at Wimbledon, his record wasn’t great yet he was great for us and at his peak. May would be similar with better quality around him.
I did the stats last year for Mendonca, Washington, BWP and Washington l, before we signed them, they were all in the same ball park in goals per game.
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And what do people think about Morgan and Gilbey, has anyone put forward any opinions or stats
Ajose never had a run in the team and was treated badly albeit had attitude.
He spent 4 years at Doncaster and scored 10 goals in 92 league games. If he'd been here he'd have been hounded out long before now.
It seems like Gallen and Co. feel like they can do better and find that goal scorer but as ever we wait and see. IF there really is a top level striker to be signed I doubt they will come cheap, or easy, so it may be a while yet.
I’m sure we’ll sign a striker, the type we bring in will be interesting.
Max Watters rather than Stockton or May
STOCK-LEY-TON
on your brand new tops.
Both Hull and Wigan's number 9s weren't their main source of goals.
At the moment Stockley is our only source of goals, yet we don't have a McGeady type winger. Stockley would have scored a lot of goals in place of Wyke in that Sunderland team. Stockley would have scored enough in both Hull and Wigan's teams.
If we are going to sign someone like a Wilkes or a Twine or a Jackson that is going to score 15-20 goals from else where Stockley becomes much less of an issue. If you think he is an issue.
If we start the season with Stockley as the "weak link" we will be well set, very well set.
Over the previous 3 seasons before they joined us:
Taylor had scored 44 league goals (Two seasons at League 1 and one at League 2)
Ajose had scored 38 league goals (all three of those seasons at League 1 level)
May has scored 39 league goals (Two seasons at League 2 and one at League 1)
One of those signings worked out, the other didn't. And that is the fact of the matter that at the level we are at, and the pool of players we can pick from, it is very difficult to find guaranteed success. The moment you are having to pay actual fees to get a player in, on limited resources, you are taking a massive gamble.
Which is why I would not be paying a fee for either Stockton or May. I am not saying they are rubbish, or going to be rubbish, but I just don't see either at 28 with their previous records as close to a risk worth taking on a fee.
He would be a very good signing.