If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Egbo play at LB. We've already seen that Garner is quite happy having a LB who cuts in and contributes to the midfield shape. We all thought Egbo was there out of necessity in pre-season but it could well be that he was put there because we like a right footed LB cutting in
Could be. I mean I definitely think Egbo was there out of necessity but it could be both. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we went with 3 FBs, and then 2 need to be able to play on each side. As we're stocked in CM it's possible JFC could get the odd game there too.
Henry and JRS would know about each other due to development football.
Not counting Ness (harshly criticised anyway) but Leaburn, Morgan, Henry and Clayden all played a part last night. Steve Avory was there and must’ve been pleased.
I predict there are other decent players who will emerge pretty soon.
What they will lack is experience of grown men playing professional football, but are already very experienced in football as a sport if that makes sense.
Albie Morgan was an eye catching player coming through and playing with and against his peers, he is still very young but his professional experience has added value.
We have others who can grow into the professional game similarly.
I don't think the criticism of Ness was harsh. He was torn to pieces at right back and also decided to try and become Madjid bougherra with an ill advised dribble out of defence. I am not writing him off by any means and hope to see a lot more of him at CB, but it is completely fair to say he wasn't good yesterday even if you can also lay the blame at Garner for throwing him to the wolves out of position.
With Egbo injured I think seeing if Ness is ready/able to provide cover at RB is actually fairly reasonable by the manager.
Sadly it seems the answer is "probably not" but at least we know and if necessary can potentially act in the window.
I thought it was a mistake at the time. Chin was on the bench but then Ness chosen above him? Weird one for me
Not really, based on the pre seasons and the U23s last season. He’s normally a very reliable defender, but the odds were stacked against him yesterday, coming on against a Prem quality player at a time when QPR were really going for it.
We seem almost eager to write off our young players sometimes.
Speaking of which, I’m slightly less concerned about the left back slot after watching Clayden on Tuesday.
Henry and JRS would know about each other due to development football.
Not counting Ness (harshly criticised anyway) but Leaburn, Morgan, Henry and Clayden all played a part last night. Steve Avory was there and must’ve been pleased.
I predict there are other decent players who will emerge pretty soon.
What they will lack is experience of grown men playing professional football, but are already very experienced in football as a sport if that makes sense.
Albie Morgan was an eye catching player coming through and playing with and against his peers, he is still very young but his professional experience has added value.
We have others who can grow into the professional game similarly.
I don't think the criticism of Ness was harsh. He was torn to pieces at right back and also decided to try and become Madjid bougherra with an ill advised dribble out of defence. I am not writing him off by any means and hope to see a lot more of him at CB, but it is completely fair to say he wasn't good yesterday even if you can also lay the blame at Garner for throwing him to the wolves out of position.
With Egbo injured I think seeing if Ness is ready/able to provide cover at RB is actually fairly reasonable by the manager.
Sadly it seems the answer is "probably not" but at least we know and if necessary can potentially act in the window.
I thought it was a mistake at the time. Chin was on the bench but then Ness chosen above him? Weird one for me
Not really, based on the pre seasons and the U23s last season. He’s normally a very reliable defender, but the odds were stacked against him yesterday, coming on against a Prem quality player at a time when QPR were really going for it.
We seem almost eager to write off our young players sometimes.
Speaking of which, I’m slightly less concerned about the left back slot after watching Clayden on Tuesday.
Nobody is writing him off. I think the comment "we seem eager to write off our young players" couldn't apply less to Charlton. If anything, a lot of fans are desperate to see more of them. We get excited on the back of a couple of decent performances. Look at our failures over the last decade or so, they've always been predominantly because the squad is too thin.
Yes it wasn’t easy for Ness, although not against a prem quality player or he’d still be in the Prem. But hes not a right back is he, so I find it a bit odd that Garner put Chin on the bench but then decided against using him.
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
A formation doesn’t need to be symmetrical. Probably harder to find a left footer comfortable at right back too.
Henry and JRS would know about each other due to development football.
Not counting Ness (harshly criticised anyway) but Leaburn, Morgan, Henry and Clayden all played a part last night. Steve Avory was there and must’ve been pleased.
I predict there are other decent players who will emerge pretty soon.
What they will lack is experience of grown men playing professional football, but are already very experienced in football as a sport if that makes sense.
Albie Morgan was an eye catching player coming through and playing with and against his peers, he is still very young but his professional experience has added value.
We have others who can grow into the professional game similarly.
I don't think the criticism of Ness was harsh. He was torn to pieces at right back and also decided to try and become Madjid bougherra with an ill advised dribble out of defence. I am not writing him off by any means and hope to see a lot more of him at CB, but it is completely fair to say he wasn't good yesterday even if you can also lay the blame at Garner for throwing him to the wolves out of position.
With Egbo injured I think seeing if Ness is ready/able to provide cover at RB is actually fairly reasonable by the manager.
Sadly it seems the answer is "probably not" but at least we know and if necessary can potentially act in the window.
I thought it was a mistake at the time. Chin was on the bench but then Ness chosen above him? Weird one for me
Not really, based on the pre seasons and the U23s last season. He’s normally a very reliable defender, but the odds were stacked against him yesterday, coming on against a Prem quality player at a time when QPR were really going for it.
We seem almost eager to write off our young players sometimes.
Speaking of which, I’m slightly less concerned about the left back slot after watching Clayden on Tuesday.
Agreed on Clayden. He had an early mistake (think he basically fell over the ball) which I worried would knock a young players confidence but he really grew into the game and looked impressive.
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
A formation doesn’t need to be symmetrical. Probably harder to find a left footer comfortable at right back too.
Remember Wiggins in 11/12 playing right back, was awful.
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
A formation doesn’t need to be symmetrical. Probably harder to find a left footer comfortable at right back too.
I prefer having left footed players on their ‘natural’ side. I think that we will be better off if / when JRS signs because having two right footers on the left makes us too predictable. Kirk thrived when he had a left footed left back at Crewe.
Maybe after the other night Clayden could make a claim. Whilst I wouldn’t want to put too much pressure on him along with his impressive 30 second cameo against Mendez Lang I think we have something to work with.
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
Agreed. Personally I'd prefer Clayden went out on loan and we brought in a left-footed LB. But with Clare, Sessegnon and Egbo I can easily see Garner being comfortable with them three fighting it out. If funds are tight it's going to be down the list
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
Agreed. Personally I'd prefer Clayden went out on loan and we brought in a left-footed LB. But with Clare, Sessegnon and Egbo I can easily see Garner being comfortable with them three fighting it out. If funds are tight it's going to be down the list
Think Clayden’s left footed.
He is, but he’s not a left back. I thought he had a decent game Tuesday but was caught out of position a few times. Not sure I’d be comfortable with him for an extended run if Sessegnon was injured, especially if Kirk was in front of him. Having said that, I think Kirk would benefit from him in an attacking sense.
Henry and JRS would know about each other due to development football.
Not counting Ness (harshly criticised anyway) but Leaburn, Morgan, Henry and Clayden all played a part last night. Steve Avory was there and must’ve been pleased.
I predict there are other decent players who will emerge pretty soon.
What they will lack is experience of grown men playing professional football, but are already very experienced in football as a sport if that makes sense.
Albie Morgan was an eye catching player coming through and playing with and against his peers, he is still very young but his professional experience has added value.
We have others who can grow into the professional game similarly.
I don't think the criticism of Ness was harsh. He was torn to pieces at right back and also decided to try and become Madjid bougherra with an ill advised dribble out of defence. I am not writing him off by any means and hope to see a lot more of him at CB, but it is completely fair to say he wasn't good yesterday even if you can also lay the blame at Garner for throwing him to the wolves out of position.
With Egbo injured I think seeing if Ness is ready/able to provide cover at RB is actually fairly reasonable by the manager.
Sadly it seems the answer is "probably not" but at least we know and if necessary can potentially act in the window.
I thought it was a mistake at the time. Chin was on the bench but then Ness chosen above him? Weird one for me
Not really, based on the pre seasons and the U23s last season. He’s normally a very reliable defender, but the odds were stacked against him yesterday, coming on against a Prem quality player at a time when QPR were really going for it.
We seem almost eager to write off our young players sometimes.
Speaking of which, I’m slightly less concerned about the left back slot after watching Clayden on Tuesday.
Laughable - would you be going on like this if Lucas wasn’t mates with your son?
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
Agreed. Personally I'd prefer Clayden went out on loan and we brought in a left-footed LB. But with Clare, Sessegnon and Egbo I can easily see Garner being comfortable with them three fighting it out. If funds are tight it's going to be down the list
Think Clayden’s left footed.
He is, but he’s not a left back. I thought he had a decent game Tuesday but was caught out of position a few times. Not sure I’d be comfortable with him for an extended run if Sessegnon was injured, especially if Kirk was in front of him. Having said that, I think Kirk would benefit from him in an attacking sense.
Being caught out of position a few times doesn’t mean his future isn’t at left back. Players make mistakes, especially younger ones adapting to first team football and learning a new position.
It’s similar with Clare, just because a player was labelled as a midfielder or winger earlier in their career it doesn’t mean it’s his best position.
If Clayden wants to play regularly at this level I think left back where his future is. I don’t see him being good enough in attack to play one of the wide forward roles. I also doubt we can bring in someone significantly better to be back up.
Henry and JRS would know about each other due to development football.
Not counting Ness (harshly criticised anyway) but Leaburn, Morgan, Henry and Clayden all played a part last night. Steve Avory was there and must’ve been pleased.
I predict there are other decent players who will emerge pretty soon.
What they will lack is experience of grown men playing professional football, but are already very experienced in football as a sport if that makes sense.
Albie Morgan was an eye catching player coming through and playing with and against his peers, he is still very young but his professional experience has added value.
We have others who can grow into the professional game similarly.
I don't think the criticism of Ness was harsh. He was torn to pieces at right back and also decided to try and become Madjid bougherra with an ill advised dribble out of defence. I am not writing him off by any means and hope to see a lot more of him at CB, but it is completely fair to say he wasn't good yesterday even if you can also lay the blame at Garner for throwing him to the wolves out of position.
With Egbo injured I think seeing if Ness is ready/able to provide cover at RB is actually fairly reasonable by the manager.
Sadly it seems the answer is "probably not" but at least we know and if necessary can potentially act in the window.
I thought it was a mistake at the time. Chin was on the bench but then Ness chosen above him? Weird one for me
Not really, based on the pre seasons and the U23s last season. He’s normally a very reliable defender, but the odds were stacked against him yesterday, coming on against a Prem quality player at a time when QPR were really going for it.
We seem almost eager to write off our young players sometimes.
Speaking of which, I’m slightly less concerned about the left back slot after watching Clayden on Tuesday.
Seriously? We're one of the best clubs in the country at bringing through young players.
A lot of fans were saying AMB should be given a go. Leaburn is already on his way to being a cult hero like his dad. Most fans are itching to see what Kanu can do.
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
Only a personal opinion but I think Morgan always had/has more potential than Burstow, it’s just taken a while to being realised.
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
Only a personal opinion but I think Morgan always had/has more potential than Burstow, it’s just taken a while to being realised.
Not sure... I'm undecided on Burstow now after Chelsea have opted to keep him, rather than loan him out because of the coaching he apparently needs - I think if he listens to those around him (which by the sounds of things, he did with us), then I think he could become a decent player.
He showed with us that he's got that instinct of knowing where the goal is.
I love the thought of a fake Transfer Rumour twitter account owner having a mini wank right now, celebrating that they've actually gotten something right - Even though the signs pretty much were already there anyway
If anything we seem slightly over stocked with RBs when compared to our LB options
In hindsight, signing an out and out LB over Sessegnon would have made more sense. Depends on whether Garner thinks Egbo can do a job at LB, if he does we'll probably stick with the 3 we've got and have Clayden as 4th choice. If not, he's got a decision to make, would he be content if Sessegnon gets injured and we have to use Clayden for 10-15 games.
The left-footed defender able to play LCB or LB makes sense on paper, but I don't really think that sort of player exists. You might get a LB capable of playing CB in a 3, or a CB capable of being a defensive LB, but how do you get a O'Connell and Sessegnon as one player?
It seems a bit odd if we end up with 3 options at LB in Sessegnon, Clayden and Egbo, all being of the "can do a job" variety.
And it looks a bit inconsistent to have a right footed LB cutting inside, but not have the same on the right seeing that all our RB options are right footers, Egbo, Clare and Sessegnon plus Ness who's been tried there.
Agreed. Personally I'd prefer Clayden went out on loan and we brought in a left-footed LB. But with Clare, Sessegnon and Egbo I can easily see Garner being comfortable with them three fighting it out. If funds are tight it's going to be down the list
Think Clayden’s left footed.
He is, but he’s not a left back. I thought he had a decent game Tuesday but was caught out of position a few times. Not sure I’d be comfortable with him for an extended run if Sessegnon was injured, especially if Kirk was in front of him. Having said that, I think Kirk would benefit from him in an attacking sense.
It’s the trade off - someone that contributes well to the attack like Sessegnon or Clayden or a blocker . I prefer the former - you don’t find many Chris Powell figures that could do both in league 1
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
If it's felt a player isn't good enough then fans will give their opinion. Doesn't matter if that player is from the academy like Morgan, or someone we signed like Gilbey.
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
If it's felt a player isn't good enough then fans will give their opinion. Doesn't matter if that player is from the academy like Morgan, or someone we signed like Gilbey.
Oh god yeah... I just feel that sometimes, an Academy player will get a lot less leeway, because people dont want it to almost look like favouritism - Like I say Albie and Mason (can argue he wasnt a Charlton player after January, but he was still an Academy graduate, so treat him the same as I do Joe Gomez etc.) are perfect examples of that recently.
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Yes it wasn’t easy for Ness, although not against a prem quality player or he’d still be in the Prem. But hes not a right back is he, so I find it a bit odd that Garner put Chin on the bench but then decided against using him.
Maybe after the other night Clayden could make a claim. Whilst I wouldn’t want to put too much pressure on him along with his impressive 30 second cameo against Mendez Lang I think we have something to work with.
It’s similar with Clare, just because a player was labelled as a midfielder or winger earlier in their career it doesn’t mean it’s his best position.
If Clayden wants to play regularly at this level I think left back where his future is. I don’t see him being good enough in attack to play one of the wide forward roles. I also doubt we can bring in someone significantly better to be back up.
A lot of fans were saying AMB should be given a go. Leaburn is already on his way to being a cult hero like his dad. Most fans are itching to see what Kanu can do.
Gets the endless: "If he wasn't an Academy product, he'd have been long gone" treatment on here, whilst there are only a handful of posters who'll defend his performances - I mean, that one is literally one mistake away from every screaming: "Told you you", "We'll never get promoted with Albie"... Whilst any other mistakes from others in a game get pointed out as they happen, yet quickly get forgotten.
Mason Burstow too was fucking hilarious, the way opinion suddenly changed like a light switch at the end of the transfer window.
We'll support the kids, but only if we think they're good enough
He showed with us that he's got that instinct of knowing where the goal is.
WIOTOS
If a name doesnt get mentioned... Oh well, must have fallen through
We have not been a great advert for youthful PL loans of very late.