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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.5
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000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on ore on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.
Which one of the three basic goals we conceded on Saturday was in any way Kirk's fault?0 -
You don't speak for me. Just saying.charltonbob said:
You don't need to justify your comments, nobody believes a word from Ronnie Moore unless it appeared in the Plymouth Herald first.masicat said:
My source sticks by this and says that Bonne told him QPR tried to shaft him and he refused. I stick by my comments ..RonnieMoore said:masicat said:
QPR offered Bonne a deal to make the Charlton deal permanent. Bonne refused and Charlton pulled out after a stand off.Airman Brown said:My understanding is that Bonne was agreed days in advance with Gallen despite TS then trying to renegotiate it himself, but was always a back up. Thing is, QPR knew that Charlton’s other options were unrealistic so they always expected the deal to come forward. Their end say it was over hours before Charlton confirmed it, although that doesn’t tally with Jaiyesimi being pulled back from Mansfield very late.In my opinion, everybody wins except QPR. I have some sketchy details , but I know a figure of 25% was involved. I really don’t know if QPR offered him 25% of his contract or not. Can’t ask my source for more details than this - ‘ QPR offered to pay up his contract to 25% but he turned it down’.Sorry if I waffled a bit there, maybe someone can explain exactly what this means as I’m not totally sure. However, I do know the information is right.None of the above is true as QPR manager has admitted today that the deal fell
through because they failed to get the striker they wanted so .. pulled the Bonne deal nothing more nothing less .. people trying to make something out of lies0 -
All the Kirk talk is boring.
All the Clayden talk is boring.
Can we close this down now or change the name of the thread to "random outbursts, shit takes and petty arguing"?9 -
Any rumours?
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Probably just a sound bite to keep the punters happy. What do you expect him to say...."nah, no point looking at the out of contract players as there's a reason why they didnt sign for someone in the 4 months they had before the window shut - they want too much money and now unfit".CafcSCP said:
Gallen said he’d already spoken to some free agents in his interview following the close of the window.Chunes said:Any rumours?
we can only assume that negotiations are taking or have taken place.
In the past Gallen has said if there’s nobody worth considering .2 -
We have needed a left footed LB with pace for two years. When we get Steven Sessegnon fit we will have a right footed Player who can cover at LB. Clayden obviously will be shown up as a defending LB considering he is an attack minded Left sided player.
*Clayden would have been better as a wing back in a 3-5-2 with Clare as the right sided Wing back but as that was so last season...
* Until we get a specialist Left footed LB with pace ! Ok I know that's not going to happen unless a kid comes from the academy.2 -
After 20 minutes of play you know what sort of performance he’s going to put in. If things aren’t seen to be going well for him he just disappears, he’s not up for the challenge.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on ore on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.
He then continues with a sulky ‘hang dog’ air about him, which in turn doesn’t encourage his team mates.
The complete antithesis of Johnny Robinson……if ever there was one.
Sorry but he’s not for me. 😕6 -
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“We decided not to sign any free agents because we didn’t see any that make our team better”4
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Every time he does that thing with his hair I think of Stan Laurel, Laurel and Hardy. Oops, showing my age.SoundAsa£ said:
After 20 minutes of play you know what sort of performance he’s going to put in. If things aren’t seen to be going well for him he just disappears, he’s not up for the challenge.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on ore on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.
He then continues with a sulky ‘hang dog’ air about him, which in turn doesn’t encourage his team mates.
The complete antithesis of Johnny Robinson……if ever there was one.
Sorry but he’s not for me. 😕4 -
Just looked back at 2-2 draw at Fulham in Championship season. JFC played on left of 5 in 3-5-2 formation according to Sky and did that that wonderful long pass to Solly who headed into the penalty box for Conor G to finish.soapboxsam said:We have needed a left footed LB with pace for two years. When we get Steven Sessegnon fit we will have a right footed Player who can cover at LB. Clayden obviously will be shown up as a defending LB considering he is an attack minded Left sided player.
*Clayden would have been better as a wing back in a 3-5-2 with Clare as the right sided Wing back but as that was so last season...
* Until we get a specialist Left footed LB with pace ! Ok I know that's not going to happen unless a kid comes from the academy.
OK I know its few years on plus another serious injury but I wondered if JFC could cover at left back? OK -no pace but a cool experienced head perhaps until injured players return? As many pointed out Clayden suffered last week and any team seeing that will surely target him from now on?
I know fitness maybe an issue with him too.0 -
I noticed this at Wycombe, a player was injured, the ball was dead and there was a break in play. Kirk had the ball, the Wycombe player gestured for him to pass it towards him because play would restart with a Wycombe throw. Kirk deliberately kicked it in the other direction, and when the Wycombe player went towards it, he kicked it away again. For no other reason than to be awkward, when the ball was dead, while the ref was away tending to an injured player. All the time with a sulky smirk on his face that wouldn't look out of place on a stroppy teenager. He just comes across as a moody individual who is unlikely to put his body on the line for the team. I want to like him, but he just seems so unlikeable.SoundAsa£ said:
After 20 minutes of play you know what sort of performance he’s going to put in. If things aren’t seen to be going well for him he just disappears, he’s not up for the challenge.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on ore on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.
He then continues with a sulky ‘hang dog’ air about him, which in turn doesn’t encourage his team mates.
The complete antithesis of Johnny Robinson……if ever there was one.
Sorry but he’s not for me. 😕2 -
Didn't JF-C have a couple of games at left wing back? Seem to remember he did ok (unless the mind is playing tricks again).0
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He covered there against Fulham at Craven Cottage in our 2-2 draw in the Championship and did quite well. This has then snowballed on here in terms of his performance and I’ve watched this grow into ‘he was excellent’ and ‘we should play him at LWB’ - last season. We do this all the time. Not you personally, but generally. One good game and I thought we’d found Roberto Carlos’ replacement based on some of the hype I read last yearJamesSeed said:Didn't JF-C have a couple of games at left wing back? Seem to remember he did ok (unless the mind is playing tricks again).13 -
It was going forward that he excelled that day Iirc.He made a cross field pass in the build up for Gallagher's goal. I don't recall him being outstanding defensively. To be fair to Clayden he also looked good going forward on Saturday. It was defensively he was lacking.cabbles said:
He covered there against Fulham at Craven Cottage in our 2-2 draw in the Championship and did quite well. This has then snowballed on here in terms of his performance and I’ve watched this grow into ‘he was excellent’ and ‘we should play him at LWB’ - last season. We do this all the time. Not you personally, but generally. One good game and I thought we’d found Roberto Carlos’ replacement based on some of the hype I read last yearJamesSeed said:Didn't JF-C have a couple of games at left wing back? Seem to remember he did ok (unless the mind is playing tricks again).1 -
Did JFC get motm as a rb?4
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Jac_52 said:Southbank said:
Clayden looks more effective as a winger than Kirk. Once Sessignon/Egbo are back I would kick Kirk out and put Clayden on the wing.Billy_Mix said:
In Clayden's defense he has very little experience at all, virtually none at full back and worst of all gets zero protection from the wage stealing pisstaker in front of him Charlie The Shirk KirkCovered End said:
Unfortunately, he was at fault for all 3 goals.addick_for_life said:There seems to be a lot of chat about Clare , who personally I think is an excellent player and rumours of championship clubs being interested but our problem is left back , we have tried to make Clayden into a full back who was a winger - he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday - watch the highlights carefully - he is still young but he is not a full back and the goals are coming down that side - we need to sort that out first - it’s great having a left back who can get forward but he needs to be a defender first .
The 3rd goal he was marking their player who received the short free kick.
Their player ran and received the ball and Clayden was far too slow to simply run with him.
Next thing the ball is in the net.
Apologies to Clayden a young lad thrown in at the deep end, but all 3 goals were mainly down to him (obviously not totally down to him).
Charles has been callously thrown to the dogs and left to fend for himself - on that context his performances are remarkable - better a team of eleven Claydens than ever see Kirk in Charlton red again
He might look it on the basis he runs up and down the line a lot, but he certainly isn't.
running up and down the line is about 75% of what a winger is there to do - i.e. Kirk doesn't even offer 25% of what's required
Clayden's Grandad is a better option than the shameless shirker
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no apology required SoundAs you're too generous by halfSoundAsa£ said:
After 120 minutes of play you know what sort of performance he’s going to put in. If things aren’t seen to be going well for him he just disappears, he’s not up for the any challenge.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Kirk needs for things to be going well to look half arsed, he goes into hiding and wimps out of tackles when the going gets tough.He Rarely tracks back and was massively caught out on that front on Saturday. This issue has been on going throughout the season but was evident on ore on Saturday. He really isn’t the sort of footballer you want in your team.
He then continues with a sulks with a ‘hang dog’ air about him, which in turn doesn’t encourage his team mates. justify paying him a damn penny
The complete antithesis of Johnny Robinson……if ever there was one.
Sorry but he’s not for me. 😕1 -
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A winger in a 433 is 100% there to create chances and contribute to our attacking play, which Kirk does. Clayden can't even cross a ball FFS, no way would he be a more effective winger than Kirk.Billy_Mix said:Jac_52 said:Southbank said:
Clayden looks more effective as a winger than Kirk. Once Sessignon/Egbo are back I would kick Kirk out and put Clayden on the wing.Billy_Mix said:
In Clayden's defense he has very little experience at all, virtually none at full back and worst of all gets zero protection from the wage stealing pisstaker in front of him Charlie The Shirk KirkCovered End said:
Unfortunately, he was at fault for all 3 goals.addick_for_life said:There seems to be a lot of chat about Clare , who personally I think is an excellent player and rumours of championship clubs being interested but our problem is left back , we have tried to make Clayden into a full back who was a winger - he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday - watch the highlights carefully - he is still young but he is not a full back and the goals are coming down that side - we need to sort that out first - it’s great having a left back who can get forward but he needs to be a defender first .
The 3rd goal he was marking their player who received the short free kick.
Their player ran and received the ball and Clayden was far too slow to simply run with him.
Next thing the ball is in the net.
Apologies to Clayden a young lad thrown in at the deep end, but all 3 goals were mainly down to him (obviously not totally down to him).
Charles has been callously thrown to the dogs and left to fend for himself - on that context his performances are remarkable - better a team of eleven Claydens than ever see Kirk in Charlton red again
He might look it on the basis he runs up and down the line a lot, but he certainly isn't. running up and down the line is about 75% of what a winger is there to do - i.e. Kirk doesn't even offer 25% of what's required
Clayden's Grandad is a better option than the shameless shirker
Anyway let's just agree to disagree.3 -
That's partly because he wasn't available/not being picked. How many people were 105% convinced Lavelle was different gravy compared to Inniss until 3.35 last Saturday?cabbles said:
He covered there against Fulham at Craven Cottage in our 2-2 draw in the Championship and did quite well. This has then snowballed on here in terms of his performance and I’ve watched this grow into ‘he was excellent’ and ‘we should play him at LWB’ - last season. We do this all the time. Not you personally, but generally. One good game and I thought we’d found Roberto Carlos’ replacement based on some of the hype I read last yearJamesSeed said:Didn't JF-C have a couple of games at left wing back? Seem to remember he did ok (unless the mind is playing tricks again).
Is JFC the answer to our left back issue? Of course he isn't. Would him playing anywhere make us significantly weaker? Probably not although I wouldn't fancy him in goal. Is he such an awful footballer that he deserves to be "frozen out"?
His par is better than Morgan's. He has a much higher floor, maybe, maybe Morgan has a higher ceiling though.0 -
He has more goals in him than Morgan I would say.1
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So has all the known worldMuttleyCAFC said:He has more goals in him than Morgan I would say.
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Not frozen out, but I wouldn’t fancy him at left back. The two injuries can’t have helped his mobility and he could get torn apart a bit up against pace. I think whilst he’s here if he can force his way back into the team then fair enough. Morgan is a good comparison because although he has started under BG and showed some promise, will he do it consistently and step up? We just don’t know.Cafc43v3r said:
That's partly because he wasn't available/not being picked. How many people were 105% convinced Lavelle was different gravy compared to Inniss until 3.35 last Saturday?cabbles said:
He covered there against Fulham at Craven Cottage in our 2-2 draw in the Championship and did quite well. This has then snowballed on here in terms of his performance and I’ve watched this grow into ‘he was excellent’ and ‘we should play him at LWB’ - last season. We do this all the time. Not you personally, but generally. One good game and I thought we’d found Roberto Carlos’ replacement based on some of the hype I read last yearJamesSeed said:Didn't JF-C have a couple of games at left wing back? Seem to remember he did ok (unless the mind is playing tricks again).
Is JFC the answer to our left back issue? Of course he isn't. Would him playing anywhere make us significantly weaker? Probably not although I wouldn't fancy him in goal. Is he such an awful footballer that he deserves to be "frozen out"?
His par is better than Morgan's. He has a much higher floor, maybe, maybe Morgan has a higher ceiling though.It was more the off the cuff reaction I seem to remember reading after that one game against Fulham. I saw so many comments assuming he could just play there. Steve Brown did a few stints in goal and performed quite adequately, but you wouldn’t have given him the keeper’s jersey for the season. Extreme example I know, and I’m not being facetious, just pointing out we have a tendency to big players up quite easily.Remember when everyone was up in arms that TS only got £1.6m for Burstow and all of a sudden we had these hard ball negotiators on twitter saying it was a disgrace to let him go for that much and they’d have gotten more. We take such a reactionary view on here a lot of time (myself included), I think I’m just tiring of the over inflation of what is mainly mediocre talent over the last 10 years or so (bar a few seasons). I’m turning into Golfie’s protege :-)
it wears you down 😂2 -
He’s said in the past that they’ve looked and didn’t believe there were players to strengthen. One of the Bowyer windowsgolfaddick said:
Probably just a sound bite to keep the punters happy. What do you expect him to say...."nah, no point looking at the out of contract players as there's a reason why they didnt sign for someone in the 4 months they had before the window shut - they want too much money and now unfit".CafcSCP said:
Gallen said he’d already spoken to some free agents in his interview following the close of the window.Chunes said:Any rumours?
we can only assume that negotiations are taking or have taken place.
In the past Gallen has said if there’s nobody worth considering .0 -
So with Gallen now on holiday I assume no free agents signing?
Any truth to the rumour re Stockley injured? I seriously hope not.0 -
Weegie Addick said:So with Gallen now on holiday I assume no free agents signing?
Any truth to the rumour re Stockley injured? I seriously hope not.
Still waiting to hear more on that myself. Hope not given our lack of bodies but I back Leaburn to do well tbh, and we may even see Garner mix it up and put Rak-Sakyi up there, which I'd be interested to see.0 -
Holiday?Weegie Addick said:So with Gallen now on holiday I assume no free agents signing?
Any truth to the rumour re Stockley injured? I seriously hope not.
He was off most of the summer wasn't he?
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I wouldn't, far too lightweight to play centrally, especially against older and more experienced centre half pairings.Jac_52 said:Weegie Addick said:So with Gallen now on holiday I assume no free agents signing?
Any truth to the rumour re Stockley injured? I seriously hope not.
Still waiting to hear more on that myself. Hope not given our lack of bodies but I back Leaburn to do well tbh, and we may even see Garner mix it up and put Rak-Sakyi up there, which I'd be interested to see.
A front 3 of Kirk, Rak-Sakyi and CBT would get absolutely ruined by a dilligent defence1
