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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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This.Braziliance said:
Because Darren Moore probably also hasn’t checked to see that 7 of his 20 have come against pub teamsChris_from_Sidcup said:
You're describing Stockley at though he's a complete donkey, a cross between Mike Small and Mark McCammon. He got 20 goals in a season (yes cup goals do count) and he missed about 2-3 months of it. Even if you're not counting cup goals he got 13 in 28 league starts.Braziliance said:
13 goals*, the 7 goals in cup games do not count as a) they didn’t effect our season and b) were essentially stat padding against non league competition.Valley11 said:There’s some proper weird fans on here.Yes let’s get rid of the 20 goal striker who grafts.It’s the same mob who wanted JJ gone (should have been given a longer shot with pre season imo) and Washington (a Garry Nelson grafter who scored)I swear loads of you have never actually played the game.He barely runs and when he does he’s slow, he can’t control the ball, he can’t pass the ball, his finishing isn’t all that, he can’t link play other than an occasional knockdown, he makes us play slower and one dimensional, he can’t play on his own up top (unlike Chuks), he is wasteful and moany.This is coming from someone who likes him btw. Jayden Stockley as a bench option for a different approach, fine, as the main number 9? No chance. Isn’t anywhere near the level of Yann or Taylor who got us promoted out of this league.Forget all this grafter noise, I can’t stand watching footballers with low ability week in week out and it’s ok cause they try a bit. Exactly why we are a mid table league one club
If he hadn't been injured there's a very good chance he'd have got 25+ and been our highest goalscorer in a season since Mendonca in 98.
No one is saying he's as good as Yann or Taylor, but if he's as bad as you describe then why is he (allegedly) wanted by the side who finished 4th in the table?
Stockley is not a "20 goal a season " striker. He got 13 in the league last season. And its the League matches that count. Games against non league teamms or Premiership U21's don't cut the mustard with me I'm afraid. You are judged against your peers. I appreciate he missed 6 weeks due to injury but that's part of the problem - having players who can play 42-46 games a season.0 -
And Josh Magennis has just completed back to back league 1 titles.killerandflash said:Stockley to me another Josh Magennis. Great in the air and will do a decent job at both ends of the pitch, but lacking the all round game of a Yann or Taylor, or even Deon Burton who was really good in that Parky season in L1.
In the right team, like Magennis, Stockley could be your No9 in a promotion winning team. We are about 7 players short of that type of team and its not a route I expect us to go down.
I really like Stockley I think he is better than Wyke but I don't see that he is the best player to lead the line in the system/style we are almost certainly going to try and implement.
If we sell Stockley and it allows us to bring 3 players to both improve us and help implement a different style it's probably a price worth paying. I am not overly confident in that scenario happening but it makes some sense.1 -
I know Stockley isn’t Lionel Messi but people are kidding themselves if they think a middle of the table league 1 team can attract someone better.
Give a decent service and he will score.27 -
That’s not fair on Stockley, he is not someone who has had issues with injuries in the past. Injuries happen, it’s part of the game. Realistically you’re not going to have your best XI starting 40 odd gamesgolfaddick said:
This.Braziliance said:
Because Darren Moore probably also hasn’t checked to see that 7 of his 20 have come against pub teamsChris_from_Sidcup said:
You're describing Stockley at though he's a complete donkey, a cross between Mike Small and Mark McCammon. He got 20 goals in a season (yes cup goals do count) and he missed about 2-3 months of it. Even if you're not counting cup goals he got 13 in 28 league starts.Braziliance said:
13 goals*, the 7 goals in cup games do not count as a) they didn’t effect our season and b) were essentially stat padding against non league competition.Valley11 said:There’s some proper weird fans on here.Yes let’s get rid of the 20 goal striker who grafts.It’s the same mob who wanted JJ gone (should have been given a longer shot with pre season imo) and Washington (a Garry Nelson grafter who scored)I swear loads of you have never actually played the game.He barely runs and when he does he’s slow, he can’t control the ball, he can’t pass the ball, his finishing isn’t all that, he can’t link play other than an occasional knockdown, he makes us play slower and one dimensional, he can’t play on his own up top (unlike Chuks), he is wasteful and moany.This is coming from someone who likes him btw. Jayden Stockley as a bench option for a different approach, fine, as the main number 9? No chance. Isn’t anywhere near the level of Yann or Taylor who got us promoted out of this league.Forget all this grafter noise, I can’t stand watching footballers with low ability week in week out and it’s ok cause they try a bit. Exactly why we are a mid table league one club
If he hadn't been injured there's a very good chance he'd have got 25+ and been our highest goalscorer in a season since Mendonca in 98.
No one is saying he's as good as Yann or Taylor, but if he's as bad as you describe then why is he (allegedly) wanted by the side who finished 4th in the table?
Stockley is not a "20 goal a season " striker. He got 13 in the league last season. And its the League matches that count. Games against non league teamms or Premiership U21's don't cut the mustard with me I'm afraid. You are judged against your peers. I appreciate he missed 6 weeks due to injury but that's part of the problem - having players who can play 42-46 games a season.
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The CL hit mob could have 2 options:Chunes said:
Agree. Gilbey has been at the heart and soul of our performances over the past two years.cabbles said:PS - if any opposing clubs are looking to take advantage of our situation, what a great opportunity this is to come in with a bid for Gilbey. It would be terrible to see him leave, but that’s football
1) New manager comes in and transforms Gilbey.
2) New manager comes in and transfers Gilbey.
In any case, we'd need another scapegoat PDQ
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I shouldn't underestimate the "tap ins, or simple headers".JamesSeed said:
Was it 13 league goals for Stockley? And how many of those were tap ins, or simple headers?alburyaddick said:Have the guys who are championing Stockton looked at his goal scoring record / it’s far worse than Stockley and he has only really ever had one good season which was last year. Swopping out Stockley for him would be bonkers
It’s easy to think ‘we must hang on to Stockley, he’s our main goal scorer’, but any decent replacement playing up top and as centrally as Stockley is likely to score as many (or more), and provide more assists as well, especially if he had a tad more ability on the ball.
These may look easy but in most cases the player has quickly moved in anticipation to be in the right place at the right time - or reacted the quickest for rebound opportunities. Many players don't even read these situations and are rarely in a position to score the "easy" chances.
In any case, plenty of "easy" chances are missed!
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There will be many high quality signings coming in soon... Right?1
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No guarantees, ever .... with players able to "play 42-46 games a season".golfaddick said:
This.Braziliance said:
Because Darren Moore probably also hasn’t checked to see that 7 of his 20 have come against pub teamsChris_from_Sidcup said:
You're describing Stockley at though he's a complete donkey, a cross between Mike Small and Mark McCammon. He got 20 goals in a season (yes cup goals do count) and he missed about 2-3 months of it. Even if you're not counting cup goals he got 13 in 28 league starts.Braziliance said:
13 goals*, the 7 goals in cup games do not count as a) they didn’t effect our season and b) were essentially stat padding against non league competition.Valley11 said:There’s some proper weird fans on here.Yes let’s get rid of the 20 goal striker who grafts.It’s the same mob who wanted JJ gone (should have been given a longer shot with pre season imo) and Washington (a Garry Nelson grafter who scored)I swear loads of you have never actually played the game.He barely runs and when he does he’s slow, he can’t control the ball, he can’t pass the ball, his finishing isn’t all that, he can’t link play other than an occasional knockdown, he makes us play slower and one dimensional, he can’t play on his own up top (unlike Chuks), he is wasteful and moany.This is coming from someone who likes him btw. Jayden Stockley as a bench option for a different approach, fine, as the main number 9? No chance. Isn’t anywhere near the level of Yann or Taylor who got us promoted out of this league.Forget all this grafter noise, I can’t stand watching footballers with low ability week in week out and it’s ok cause they try a bit. Exactly why we are a mid table league one club
If he hadn't been injured there's a very good chance he'd have got 25+ and been our highest goalscorer in a season since Mendonca in 98.
No one is saying he's as good as Yann or Taylor, but if he's as bad as you describe then why is he (allegedly) wanted by the side who finished 4th in the table?
Stockley is not a "20 goal a season " striker. He got 13 in the league last season. And its the League matches that count. Games against non league teamms or Premiership U21's don't cut the mustard with me I'm afraid. You are judged against your peers. I appreciate he missed 6 weeks due to injury but that's part of the problem - having players who can play 42-46 games a season.
Even the fittest, first name on the team sheet players, still get injured. It happens to most players sooner or later.
Even players like Aneke and JFC weren't injury prone until their first major injury.
For example, August 2018 and 2 days before the 1st match of the new season, JFC ripped his ACL having caught his studs in the turf during training.
Injury prone, was he - or just rotten luck?
Would you have said Josh Cullen was injury prone? No, of course not - but he still missed a big chunk of the 2018/19 season after freakishly dislocating a shoulder.
The next season, was Lyle Taylor injury prone? Nope, not really - but then off he trots to play for his country and comes back with a wrecked knee - his long absence went a long way to wrecking our season and contributing to our relegation.
As I said, no guarantees ever that a player is able to play 42-46 games a season.
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Ian Evatt 2/1 next Blackpool manager. Would be a big blow for Bolton if he left.5
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I cannot for the life of me understand how people are arguing about Stockley's goal tally.
His tally is the amount of times he stuck the ball in the net last season. It's irrelevant whether it was a League game, Cup game, whether we won the match, lost the match. You can't deduct goals off someone because they were playing in a cup game. I wonder if Shearer, Owen, Aguero only count goals they scored in league competitions? Should we award him half a goal if its a set piece as its not a proper goal?
As a striker you are judged on how many times you stick the ball in the net and Stockley has proven he has that ability time after time. He may be limited in other areas of his game however that's why he's playing in League One, for a League one club.
Stockley is a proven goal scorer which is really hard to find, hence why a club with a bigger budget than us, and who finished above us last season, is interested in him. I'd love to know which strikers people think are floating around ready to sign for us thag can guarantee as many goals as Stockley.20 -
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Would make a lot of sense him going there as wellCallumcafc said:Ian Evatt 2/1 next Blackpool manager. Would be a big blow for Bolton if he left.0 -
Ex Blackpool player so passes the Blackpool Life sat nav test.Callumcafc said:Ian Evatt 2/1 next Blackpool manager. Would be a big blow for Bolton if he left.
Really high potential rating in champman99/00 as well........0 -
Evatt was a centre-back with Dribbling 19 in Champ Man 00/01. I played him as CAM. I haven't changed9
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Shearer, Owen or Aguero didnt have to add in their "cup games" to boost their goal tally. That is the point. The were all top class goal scorers. If we ever managed to get the 3rd tier equivalent then I would be ecstatic.Notts_Addick said:I cannot for the life of me understand how people are arguing about Stockley's goal tally.
His tally is the amount of times he stuck the ball in the net last season. It's irrelevant whether it was a League game, Cup game, whether we won the match, lost the match. You can't deduct goals off someone because they were playing in a cup game. I wonder if Shearer, Owen, Aguero only count goals they scored in league competitions? Should we award him half a goal if its a set piece as its not a proper goal?
As a striker you are judged on how many times you stick the ball in the net and Stockley has proven he has that ability time after time. He may be limited in other areas of his game however that's why he's playing in League One, for a League one club.
Stockley is a proven goal scorer which is really hard to find, hence why a club with a bigger budget than us, and who finished above us last season, is interested in him. I'd love to know which strikers people think are floating around ready to sign for us thag can guarantee as many goals as Stockley.
And Stockley isn't a "proven"goal scorer. His best return was with Exeter in League 2. 2 seasons where he got a very impressive 36 in 66. Then stepped up to the Championship where he then only got 9 in 65.......which is on par for an average midfielder. Probably last season was his best overall season (apart from Exeter) when he got 13 in 33. He couldn't really score in Scotland either.
So on balance he is a decent striker in League 1. Wouldnt get you promoted if you were counting on him being your main striker but as part of a striking team of 4 then will do a job.0 -
And don't forget Stockley's goal scoring chances are automatically limited by not having the luxury other strikers have in League 1. That is playing against us twice.Bournesnr said:I know Stockley isn’t Lionel Messi but people are kidding themselves if they think a middle of the table league 1 team can attract someone better.
Give a decent service and he will score.7 -
It's all making sense now.Leuth said:Evatt was a centre-back with Dribbling 19 in Champ Man 00/01. I played him as CAM. I haven't changed1 -
Great post. Agree pretty much word for word. Stockley is the sort of player you want coming on to impact games, just like Aneke. Except as it stands they’re our starting forward line next seasonBraziliance said:
13 goals*, the 7 goals in cup games do not count as a) they didn’t effect our season and b) were essentially stat padding against non league competition.Valley11 said:There’s some proper weird fans on here.Yes let’s get rid of the 20 goal striker who grafts.It’s the same mob who wanted JJ gone (should have been given a longer shot with pre season imo) and Washington (a Garry Nelson grafter who scored)I swear loads of you have never actually played the game.He barely runs and when he does he’s slow, he can’t control the ball, he can’t pass the ball, his finishing isn’t all that, he can’t link play other than an occasional knockdown, he makes us play slower and one dimensional, he can’t play on his own up top (unlike Chuks), he is wasteful and moany.This is coming from someone who likes him btw. Jayden Stockley as a bench option for a different approach, fine, as the main number 9? No chance. Isn’t anywhere near the level of Yann or Taylor who got us promoted out of this league.Forget all this grafter noise, I can’t stand watching footballers with low ability week in week out and it’s ok cause they try a bit. Exactly why we are a mid table league one club1 -
Of course it's relevant who he scored against. A striker who can score against L2, NL or even U23 defences in cup games might be dangerous against lower league defences, but ineffective against better defences in the league in which he plays.Notts_Addick said:I cannot for the life of me understand how people are arguing about Stockley's goal tally.
His tally is the amount of times he stuck the ball in the net last season. It's irrelevant whether it was a League game, Cup game, whether we won the match, lost the match. You can't deduct goals off someone because they were playing in a cup game. I wonder if Shearer, Owen, Aguero only count goals they scored in league competitions? Should we award him half a goal if its a set piece as its not a proper goal?
As a striker you are judged on how many times you stick the ball in the net and Stockley has proven he has that ability time after time. He may be limited in other areas of his game however that's why he's playing in League One, for a League one club.
Stockley is a proven goal scorer which is really hard to find, hence why a club with a bigger budget than us, and who finished above us last season, is interested in him. I'd love to know which strikers people think are floating around ready to sign for us thag can guarantee as many goals as Stockley.
Thus 13 is the figure to compare him against other L1 strikers last season like Stockton, Keane and May1 -
Magennis wasn't the main striker for Wigan though. They had Will Keane to score the goalsCafc43v3r said:
And Josh Magennis has just completed back to back league 1 titles.killerandflash said:Stockley to me another Josh Magennis. Great in the air and will do a decent job at both ends of the pitch, but lacking the all round game of a Yann or Taylor, or even Deon Burton who was really good in that Parky season in L1.
In the right team, like Magennis, Stockley could be your No9 in a promotion winning team. We are about 7 players short of that type of team and its not a route I expect us to go down.
I really like Stockley I think he is better than Wyke but I don't see that he is the best player to lead the line in the system/style we are almost certainly going to try and implement.
If we sell Stockley and it allows us to bring 3 players to both improve us and help implement a different style it's probably a price worth paying. I am not overly confident in that scenario happening but it makes some sense.0 -
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Saved a click:Lincsaddick said:
1. Kirk future to be decided - what will Blackpool do now Critchley is gone?
2. Stockley speculation - could it develop into anything more than speculation over the next few weeks?
3. Purrington contract - will he re-sign with the club or is he moving on?2 -
Notts_Addick said:I cannot for the life of me understand how people are arguing about Stockley's goal tally.
His tally is the amount of times he stuck the ball in the net last season. It's irrelevant whether it was a League game, Cup game, whether we won the match, lost the match. You can't deduct goals off someone because they were playing in a cup game. I wonder if Shearer, Owen, Aguero only count goals they scored in league competitions? Should we award him half a goal if its a set piece as its not a proper goal?
As a striker you are judged on how many times you stick the ball in the net and Stockley has proven he has that ability time after time. He may be limited in other areas of his game however that's why he's playing in League One, for a League one club.
Stockley is a proven goal scorer which is really hard to find, hence why a club with a bigger budget than us, and who finished above us last season, is interested in him. I'd love to know which strikers people think are floating around ready to sign for us thag can guarantee as many goals as Stockley.I think we’re all trying to work out how to improve the side for next season, and examining your main striker is always going to be part of that if you want to improve, isn’t it?Looking at goals and assists it’s clear that both have been a bit of a struggle this season, both for the team and to an extent, Stockley. That’s a reflection on our poor play generally, of course.
I'm not sure if these stats prove anything, but they perhaps show that we were lacking in key areas in terms of creating and scoring goals.
Stockley's stats aren't terrible, but does his all round play justify having someone as ordinary (stats wise) as your main striker? Or could he do much better with improved service?LEAGUE GOALS(I left out cup goals in order to compare like with like).- Games played - Goals - Goals per minute in brackets.Ross Stewart, S’land 49 26 (167)Will Keane Wigan 44 26 (144)Alfie May Cheltenham 46 23 (154)Cole Stockton Morecambe 44 23 (157)Scott Twine MKD 47 20 (203)Matt Taylor Oxford 44 20 (185)Michael Smith Rotherham 45 19 (211)Sam Vokes Wycombe 46 17 (226)Lee Gregory Sheff W 38 17 (172)Ryan Hardie Argyle 37 16 (184)Sam Smith Cambridge 46 15 (204)Callum Lang Wigan 42 15 (240)Cameron Brannagan Oxford 41 14 (257)Joe Ironside Cambridge 38 14 (237)Jayden Stockley CAFC 33 13 (194)
Daniel Udoh Shrewsbury 46 13 (281)George Hirst Portsmouth 40 13 (186)Freddie Ladapo Rotherham 31 11 (188)
Conor Washington 35 11 (235)
These two scored fewer goals but were high in the GPM table:
[Nathan Broadhead Sunderland 22 10 (125)Amadou Bakayoko Bolton 32 10 (147)]
Stockley's just outside the GPM Top 10.ASSISTSAgain, we hardly feature near the top of the chart.Sean McConville 46 17 (Our top four in the assist table added up = 18)Scott Twine 45 13Barry Bannan 45 12Max Power 43 12Gavin Whyte 37 10Ronan Curtis 43 8Callum Lang 41 8
Paddy Lane 37 8Danny Andrew 39 7Jordan Obita 41 7Alex Pritchard 36 7Declan John 38 7Marvin Johnson 39 7Luke Leahy 42 7Anthony Scully 34 7Daniel Barlaser 44 7Luke McCormick 40 7Ben Wiles 46 7Albie Morgan 22 7 (Good return for 22 games)Corey Blackett Taylor 27 4Elliott Lee 34 4Scott Fraser 24 3Jonathan Leko 25 3Jayden Stockley 33 3Adam Matthews 28 2Ryan Inniss 15 2Craig MacGillivray 43 2Conor Washington 35 2Jaiyesimi 33 2The rest all seemed to get one assist including...Gilbey 37 1 (Bit of a shocker, fewer assists than the keeper, and he’s an attacking midfielder isn’t he?)
One assist every eleven games for Stockley.
Apols for the double spacing. Not sure how that happened.4 -
killerandflash said:
Of course it's relevant who he scored against. A striker who can score against L2, NL or even U23 defences in cup games might be dangerous against lower league defences, but ineffective against better defences in the league in which he plays.Notts_Addick said:I cannot for the life of me understand how people are arguing about Stockley's goal tally.
His tally is the amount of times he stuck the ball in the net last season. It's irrelevant whether it was a League game, Cup game, whether we won the match, lost the match. You can't deduct goals off someone because they were playing in a cup game. I wonder if Shearer, Owen, Aguero only count goals they scored in league competitions? Should we award him half a goal if its a set piece as its not a proper goal?
As a striker you are judged on how many times you stick the ball in the net and Stockley has proven he has that ability time after time. He may be limited in other areas of his game however that's why he's playing in League One, for a League one club.
Stockley is a proven goal scorer which is really hard to find, hence why a club with a bigger budget than us, and who finished above us last season, is interested in him. I'd love to know which strikers people think are floating around ready to sign for us thag can guarantee as many goals as Stockley.
Thus 13 is the figure to compare him against other L1 strikers last season like Stockton, Keane and May
By that logic though what about If Keane etc scored 13 but played 46 games? Stockley's average is therefore likely to be far higher. Or if Keane had 30 chances and hit 13, but Stockley had 25 chances and netted 13 his goal conversion is better.
I'm sure I was Stockton hit two goals from halfway this season which he will probably never score again in his life. Is it fair to count those as goals or can we knock that off his figure given he will be unlikely to ever hit strikes like that again?
How about if a couple of goals of May's were thrown in by the keeper? That's down to poor goalkeeping, not a sign of a quality striker.
And what about if 10 if Keane's were penalties?
Football is about how many times you put the ball in the back of the net. When Ronaldo's career has been and gone nobody is going to care who he scored his goals against, or whether some were flukes, or penalties. It'll be how many goals he scored.
The record books will show Stockley scored 20 goals this season. He will be referred to as a 20 goal a season striker. Its absolutely irrelevant how he scored those goals, or who against, or whether they mattered. He put the ball in the net 20 times in a season which is why a club many would regard as bigger than us, who finished higher than us, are rumoured to be interested in him and willing to part with what I assume is a decent amount of cash to secure his signature.
There have been so many players through the years who fans haven't rated, or who we can apparently do better than, or who if we sell we can bring in a couple of better players with the money etc. If history has taught me one thing it's that more often than not whoever we end up bringing in ends up worse than what we had already. That's how we have gradually slipped from an established Premier League team to a team who bounces around between the Championship/League One.
Stockley is about as much as you can get to a guarantee of 15-20 goals in League One. He is proven at this level, and proven as a goal scorer for our squad. I struggle to see anyone out there who we could bring in who has a similar record to him. Sure there are players out there with better records, but none of them are going to be signing for us.
Whoever we sign would be a total gamble who might end up banging in 25 goals, or who might end up scoring 2. Stockley is proven to score goals and we'd be crazy to sell him.5 -
Notts Addick
sorry but that is a load of tosh. If someone scores against a minor team it is not on par with scoring against a team of similar ability to his own team.
When comparing players it must be a like for like comparison
My view of Stockley is he is good in both boxes but not anywhere else, not his fault but his presence also encourages long balls to him from our defence which often go from his head to an opponent6 -
Can also confirm Marquis deal is done. Someone I know is a mutual friend of his.11
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His Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/JohnMarquis09
Goals for Pompey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcATNpTrDc
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John's been told the news
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I suppose at least that's next seasons scapegoat sorted already if Marquis signs2
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He's 30 & scored 9 in 39 last season spread between Pompey & Lincoln. Worse than our front 2, one of which we let go (presumably because he want good enough).SouthWest_Addicks said:Can also confirm Marquis deal is done. Someone I know is a mutual friend of his.
Whoppee Do. That is sure to get us promoted next season. Hope you don't mind if I don't put the bunting out to celebrate.
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