I only want us to keep Washington and Forster-Caskey. Would try and keep Davison and loan him out again but think it’s likely he would reject that in favour of a permanent contract elsewhere
This is nice news. Watson has some ability but no legs at all, only joined us to watch over his son who plays for Palace, a has-been sort of player in the truest sense.
Gunter clearly only cares about international/country football watching his performances for us.Very ordinary and old player. Good riddance
souare was a gamble with a potentially very high payoff but it seems like he’s forgotten how to play football after his injury and never looks confident.
Just seen that Davison has scored 8 and assisted 2 in 17 apps for Swindon... Not bad for a 22 year old. Can he cement a place in the first-team here next season? Probably not, but would be a shame to lose him on a free
I think we should moving Clare up to CM. As good as he has been there has been time where we have cried for an out & out CB. Plus the energy he brings and the way he carries the ball would be a major asset.
I think moving Clare from RCB should be the last thing we do, has been consistently really good there all season and offers us a different dimension when bringing it out from the back. One of the first names on the teamsheet for me.
If it is true that we haven't yet offered Conor Washington a new contract, I think that is a big mistake. He may not be prolific, but he is a key player. We rarely win when he is not playing and his absence is very noticeable. I also think he will be hard to replace with an upgrade.
JFC needs a new deal. He has looked sharp after returning from his long injury lay-off. I also think Purrington is worth a new contract. I know he is a bit marmite with fans, but he is reliable and can cover a couple of positions. He is also our fourth or fifth top scorer I think.
As far as the rest that are out of contract are concerned, I wouldn't miss any of them (and will be disappointed if Matthews stays). That applies to the loan players too.
I’m fairly confident these are the only ones announced because they will not be getting any playing time over the last two games.
HOWEVER if Matthews gets offered another contract, I will take back all my recent positive sentiment. He is not what we need to get promoted.
I feel quite confident, more than most, that he won’t get an extension because surely the people running the club see the same issues we are all seeing.
But if they’re watching this team play and thinking he’s worth another one year deal, that’s when I really start to question what on earth they are doing.
Henderson Matthews Inniss Pearce Purrington JFC Davison Washington
Plus 6 loanees will be going:
Famewo Castillo Lee John Leko Burstow
Also have Kirk who seems likely he’ll be sold or loaned out again.
On replacements TS said 2-5 permanents and 5 or 6 loans to come in. That must be assuming no one under contract is unexpectedly sold.
My guess as to what will happen
Henderson - definitely released
Matthews - 50/50 chances of a FOURTH one year deal
Inniss - 50/50
Pearce - 50/50 player/coach role but the squad number rules count against having a player/coach
Purrington - 50/50 depending on who else stays
JFC - new contract offered
Davison - new contract offered but might choose to leave to get regular football
Washington - new contract offered
Of course the players may choose not to stay themselves, even if offered a new deal
Agree on all of that, but i think we'll offer either Inniss or Pearce a deal, but not both.
Wouldn't be against giving Purrington another year, certainly not as first choice but he can provide cover for both LB and LCB and i think with the new squad limit restrictions, players who can cover more than 1 position will be key.
Yes, Purrington can play LCB - maybe he'll improve as he gets used to that position LWB - the role he played at the start of Jacko's reign, when the attacking winger was on the right hand side. Indeed he was a goal scoring threat in that role LB - when Jacko is sacked in October, and the new manager wants us to play 433/4231...
Personally I think if we keep Pearce, Matthews and Purrington, we’re setting the bar too low in terms of quality. Inniss should probably go because he’s likely to break down at some point next year. The only two I would keep are Washington and JFC. I’m not even that big a fan of JFC, but I know many of us are and think he can do a job etc, so let’s see.
It’s clear Purrington, Matthews and Pearce can’t do a job on a regular basis, otherwise we’d be higher up than 12th. Each of them give you the odd okay performance, but to have all 3 of them retained, available for selection wouldn’t push us on.
All of the loans can go back to wherever it is they came from
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Those three would be 37, 33 and 32 respectively by the start of next season. Replacing them with three 22 year olds would bring down the average age of the squad by almost two years. We still need experience which is why I would lean towards retaining Pearce but the balance had to shift.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
I think we should moving Clare up to CM. As good as he has been there has been time where we have cried for an out & out CB. Plus the energy he brings and the way he carries the ball would be a major asset.
I think moving Clare from RCB should be the last thing we do, has been consistently really good there all season and offers us a different dimension when bringing it out from the back. One of the first names on the teamsheet for me.
That's mental. Clare is not a natural defender and has cost us too many goals in the past couple of months from poor decisions, positioning and backing away. Just because he looks flashy taking the ball out of defence when there's little pressure on the ball, does not make him a good centre back.
I'm much more interested in seeing Elerewe step up, who seems to have the exact attributes needed for this formation we are seemingly married to.
What I like about Davison is the straightforward nature of his approach to football, his honesty I suppose. I know there are better finishers around, but no better triers that I can think of. He is not defeatist. I even think there has been noticeable improvement in Josh since he has been here. I wish he had been here when Washington and Stockley were out and all we had was a young and somewhat bewildered Burstow. Josh Davison is a decent example of you get what you see, the judgement is do you see a player of value to Charlton at the moment? On balance I would keep him if a sensible deal could be done.
Of those who are out of contract or on loan... JFC, Washington and Purrington are the only ones I would like us to retain. Pearce is a maybe, as the 19th man in the squad.
I can see us keeping more defenders than we’d like because so many are out of contract or on loan.
I’ll be disappointed if Inniss stays as he doesn’t play enough games and when fit can’t play twice a week.
Can see Pearce staying as back up for Lavelle.
I’d like to see Matthews go. Could see DJ as the back up RWB but it could leave us short if we need to switch to a back four, though Clare moving across is an option.
Purrington will probably stay as a versatile squad player.
Davison might step up to L1 in time but he’s never going to get the game time he needs here to develop. Not realistic to loan him out for a year or two at his age when he can get a a good longer term deal elsewhere.
Do we not need a right footed back up for Lavelle? Preferably a taller version.
Not when we only use them as the central CB in a back 3.
Ideally we need two left footed CBs to replace Famewo, though I can see Purrington staying and covering there.
Ta Scoham. So if we lose Pearce and Famewo we’re left with Lavelle as the only recognised CB. Clare is decent on the right, Purrington a bit less decent on the left.
I think they’ll keep Pearce. Is Famewo definitely leaving? We clearly need a to bring in two solid backs, at least one of whom needs to be dominant in the air.
There’s also Elerewe and Ness, but not sure if they’re really ready to step up. Maybe Barker as well, although he’s not the tallest.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
is this right? So stuck with him for another season then.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
is this right? So stuck with him for another season then.
Yeah it is, I posted a list of the remaining first team players out of contract earlier in the thread.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
Wish they’d bloody release me!
But, seriously, whether a player is a fan or not shouldn’t matter a jot. If they are good enough then keep them, if they aren’t then don’t.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
is this right? So stuck with him for another season then.
Yeah it is, I posted a list of the remaining first team players out of contract earlier in the thread.
Knowing our luck Morgan will come good next season, refuse to sign a new deal and then leave for minimal compensation.
Assuming we resign JFC, Washington, Purrington and Pearce and we need two players for every position... this is the bare minimum requirement.
GK: MacG, AMB
RCB: Clare, NEW CB: Lavelle, Pearce LCB: Purrington, NEW
RWB: DJ, NEW RCM: Gilbey, Morgan CM: Dobson, NEW LCM: Fraser, Forster-Caskey LWB: CBT, NEW
ST: Stockley, Aneke, Washington, NEW
Minimum: x2 CB, x2 WB, x1 CM, x1 ST
However, I would ideally prefer x3 CM and x2 ST - I am not convinced by Gilbey or Morgan as part of this midfield core, nor am I confident in going into a 46 game season with Aneke being one of four strikers. He needs to be the luxury, secret-weapon 5th option.
There is obviously squad caps and exemptions for young players to be considered as part of the mix.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
is this right? So stuck with him for another season then.
Yeah it is, I posted a list of the remaining first team players out of contract earlier in the thread.
Knowing our luck Morgan will come good next season, refuse to sign a new deal and then leave for minimal compensation.
Assuming we resign JFC, Washington, Purrington and Pearce and we need two players for every position... this is the bare minimum requirement.
GK: MacG, AMB
RCB: Clare, NEW CB: Lavelle, Pearce LCB: Purrington, NEW
RWB: DJ, NEW RCM: Gilbey, Morgan CM: Dobson, NEW LCM: Fraser, Forster-Caskey LWB: CBT, NEW
ST: Stockley, Aneke, Washington, NEW
Minimum: x2 CB, x2 WB, x1 CM, x1 ST
However, I would ideally prefer x3 CM and x2 ST - I am not convinced by Gilbey or Morgan as part of this midfield core, nor am I confident in going into a 46 game season with Aneke being one of four strikers. He needs to be the luxury, secret-weapon 5th option.
There is obviously squad caps and exemptions for young players to be considered as part of the mix.
I would much rather we got six really good players than tried, and most likley fail, to get 10 or 12.
These 3 players were never going to be retained. The telling thing for me will be the likes of Matthews Pearce Inniss Morgan Lee Leco Davidson None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
Well Lee and Leko aren't ours and Morgan isn't out of contract. Davidson has been a supporter for a long time, releasing fans isn't a good business model IMO.
is this right? So stuck with him for another season then.
Yeah it is, I posted a list of the remaining first team players out of contract earlier in the thread.
Knowing our luck Morgan will come good next season, refuse to sign a new deal and then leave for minimal compensation.
Assuming we resign JFC, Washington, Purrington and Pearce and we need two players for every position... this is the bare minimum requirement.
GK: MacG, AMB
RCB: Clare, NEW CB: Lavelle, Pearce LCB: Purrington, NEW
RWB: DJ, NEW RCM: Gilbey, Morgan CM: Dobson, NEW LCM: Fraser, Forster-Caskey LWB: CBT, NEW
ST: Stockley, Aneke, Washington, NEW
Minimum: x2 CB, x2 WB, x1 CM, x1 ST
However, I would ideally prefer x3 CM and x2 ST - I am not convinced by Gilbey or Morgan as part of this midfield core, nor am I confident in going into a 46 game season with Aneke being one of four strikers. He needs to be the luxury, secret-weapon 5th option.
There is obviously squad caps and exemptions for young players to be considered as part of the mix.
I would much rather we got six really good players than tried, and most likley fail, to get 10 or 12.
Totally agree that the players we bring in must be starting calibre. They cannot be squad fillers, we already have a dozen of those - next season's bench has to consist of the likes of Clare, Purrington, Washington etc.
The others staying or going isn't really as important. Those 3 and the 6 loans create quite a lot of gaps that need filling.
Saying that I hope Washington and JFC don't leave because we fannied around and we find out at the last minute (like Amos and Chuks).
Keeping Pearce AND Inniss would be mental.
Keeping, or not, Henderson matters neither way. Doesn't count to the cap so its only wages, that's Thomas's problem, not mine.
I would actually rather keep Purrington and Matthews over some of the players that are under contract, especially now there effective backups have gone.
Henderson isn't needed. He's not good or fit enough to challenge McG and would be blocking the pathway for our younger keepers as well.
The big keeping question is whether AMB is good enough to be a our number one next season
It's incredible that we have a second choice keeper that isn't good enough to challenge one of the worst goalkeepers I've seen play for us in 33 years of support.
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Gunter clearly only cares about international/country football watching his performances for us.Very ordinary and old player. Good riddance
souare was a gamble with a potentially very high payoff but it seems like he’s forgotten how to play football after his injury and never looks confident.
JFC needs a new deal. He has looked sharp after returning from his long injury lay-off. I also think Purrington is worth a new contract. I know he is a bit marmite with fans, but he is reliable and can cover a couple of positions. He is also our fourth or fifth top scorer I think.
As far as the rest that are out of contract are concerned, I wouldn't miss any of them (and will be disappointed if Matthews stays). That applies to the loan players too.
I feel quite confident, more than most, that he won’t get an extension because surely the people running the club see the same issues we are all seeing.
But if they’re watching this team play and thinking he’s worth another one year deal, that’s when I really start to question what on earth they are doing.
LCB - maybe he'll improve as he gets used to that position
LWB - the role he played at the start of Jacko's reign, when the attacking winger was on the right hand side. Indeed he was a goal scoring threat in that role
LB - when Jacko is sacked in October, and the new manager wants us to play 433/4231...
It’s clear Purrington, Matthews and Pearce can’t do a job on a regular basis, otherwise we’d be higher up than 12th. Each of them give you the odd okay performance, but to have all 3 of them retained, available for selection wouldn’t push us on.
All of the loans can go back to wherever it is they came from
The telling thing for me will be the likes of
Matthews
Pearce
Inniss
Morgan
Lee
Leco
Davidson
None of these plus a few others are good enough for promotion.
I'm much more interested in seeing Elerewe step up, who seems to have the exact attributes needed for this formation we are seemingly married to.
He is not defeatist. I even think there has been noticeable improvement in Josh since he has been here.
I wish he had been here when Washington and Stockley were out and all we had was a young and somewhat bewildered Burstow.
Josh Davison is a decent example of you get what you see, the judgement is do you see a player of value to Charlton at the moment?
On balance I would keep him if a sensible deal could be done.
We clearly need a to bring in two solid backs, at least one of whom needs to be dominant in the air.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5ef3c2a3c6c7e/albie-morgan-and-josh-davison-sign-new-multi-year-contracts
Knowing our luck Morgan will come good next season, refuse to sign a new deal and then leave for minimal compensation.
But, seriously, whether a player is a fan or not shouldn’t matter a jot. If they are good enough then keep them, if they aren’t then don’t.
GK: MacG, AMB
RCB: Clare, NEW
CB: Lavelle, Pearce
LCB: Purrington, NEW
RWB: DJ, NEW
RCM: Gilbey, Morgan
CM: Dobson, NEW
LCM: Fraser, Forster-Caskey
LWB: CBT, NEW
ST: Stockley, Aneke, Washington, NEW
Minimum: x2 CB, x2 WB, x1 CM, x1 ST
However, I would ideally prefer x3 CM and x2 ST - I am not convinced by Gilbey or Morgan as part of this midfield core, nor am I confident in going into a 46 game season with Aneke being one of four strikers. He needs to be the luxury, secret-weapon 5th option.
There is obviously squad caps and exemptions for young players to be considered as part of the mix.