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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • barstool
    barstool Posts: 1,351
    barstool said:
    Jason Pearce will be saying on as a new coach and has a new role 
    ????

    Where did you hear that one?

    Can't say but 100% confirmed
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Just watched the highlights of the Port Vale v Swindon second leg play off match. I thought Port Vale completely dominated both possession and attempts on goal. 
    You could have just looked at the stats for that ;)

    Interestingly, you are wrong, Swindon had slightly more possession (54%). They had 3 shots on goal less, but did only have one shot on target. In fairness to Garner, unless he was also playing in attack I'm not entirely sure that's completely his fault. 
    I decided to watch it hoping to confirm the possession based style of play that the statistics that have been posted seemed to demonstrate. Obviously highlights of one game doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. But I was disappointed to not see a dominating passing possession based style of play. I have never heard of Ben Garner or watched any matches involving teams he was managing. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    edited May 2022
    Gary Cotterill is outside the Marriott, Bexleyheath 
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,276
    Leuth said:
    And now we’ve got Ben Garner we’re f ing dynamite

    The song can return 🕺
    I think "Super Ben's Red and White Army" is better
    This doesn't even scan.
     You know that I'm the first to critique poor scansion in songs people suggest, but given the abuse the first few syllables have been subjected to in previous iterations (either horribly drawn out or squished together depending on whose Red and White Army we're celebrating) I wouldn't say that it's worth exercising yourself over.
    Personally I'm hoping for a revival of "he's got no hair but we don't care", but fear we'd have to start calling him Benny G to get it to scan.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited May 2022
    I love it how on here everyone tries so desperately to find arguments why this is a good appointment.

    He obviously was down Sandgaard's list. People have argued with me that TS wanted someone else other than Jackson all along, and he knew who he wanted. 

    I still believe that he sacked Jackson with no clear idea of whether his preferred man (if indeed he had one) would take the job. Then his first couple of managerial choices turned the job down because they can see how he is an owner who will insist on all out attack all the time, and buys players he finds exciting. A new Charlton manager has to be someone who will jump at the chance of managing in League Once regardless of doubts about the management of the club. That why we've got this bloke. Swindon had most shots, most goals etc but lost in the play- off semi finals. We'll probably just lose 4-3 or 5-4 now instead of 2-1.

    But still Charlton fans on here think we'll get promotion. I think that you are wearing rose tinted spectacles. This idea of doing well now is based upon what? Last season we did well to get out of the relegation zone and into mid table obscurity. Since then we've lost one of our best three players, not to mention a manager with a better League One record than this guy. Whatever players we get in will be more TS's or MS's choice, or players from the youth team. 

    I struggle to see any real argument for hope of good times other than losing high scoring games instead of low scoring games.




    I haven't seen one HMS Piss the league picture.  I haven't seen anyone say he WILL get us promoted either, but if it gives you something to moan about, good for you.

    The guy is a brilliant coach, like Beale, who is highly respected for his coaching in the game.  He has had two, short spells as a manager, in far from ideal situations.  Failed in one, relatively successful in the other.  Will he be a good manager for us?  I don't know, you don't know but even golfie found a silver lining.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    shirty5 said:
    Gary Cotterill is outside the Marriott, Bexleyheath 
    Busking ? 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Just read some highlights of Virgil, Ovid and Catullus. It scans, but so what? Their word order is hopeless. Garner will never have a chant of his own
  • We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
    IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
    The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
    The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,

  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    have @golfaddick and @jimmymelrose morphed into one?
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    ButtleJR said:
    Garner is still being considered. But is up against a lot more quality candidates. Doesn't mean he won't get the job, just passing on what I'm being told...
    So Garner it is, more quality candidates my arse (Not shooting the messenger)
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  • Addick_8
    Addick_8 Posts: 687
    edited May 2022
    All the non-season ticket holders on threatening to return their season tickets on Twitter is making my skin crawl.
    We, as a fanbase seriously need humbling :s
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
    IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
    The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
    The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,

    Probably me but I don’t really get what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that the way Garner has been received on football forums has stopped TS from pushing ahead with the appointment at least for now ? 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
    IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
    The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
    The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,

    Probably me but I don’t really get what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that the way Garner has been received on football forums has stopped TS from pushing ahead with the appointment at least for now ? 
    Probably not but the Sandgaard’s do read the forums 
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,460
    We are not interviewing other managers, I don't think he (TS) realised the sort of response he would get by this appointment. He has been lucky when, with Adkins he went on a run, then the players chucked under the bus, as it was the same players who got Jackson the job. He drags his heels with that appointment, and this one had to be the right one and make a statement to back up his hype and where we will be in five years.
    IMO and this is only my opinion once again he has failed to do this, and it is clear that MS has been pivotal in all of this with his so called data input.
    The backlash is short term as well as long term, the next appointment has to be one that will want fans to buy season tickets, buy merchandise, etc. The new appointment also has to be one that the players want to play under, and the current squad feel that he can improve them as individuals as well as a team.
    The long term is that we will once again start the season as we did last year, although as stated by TS they are going to learn from their recruitment last year, new manager half through the season and another year in league one , gates dwindle, we will not be able to attract and afford the players that would get us promotion, so TS has to get it right and not go on his sons stats,

    Probably me but I don’t really get what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that the way Garner has been received on football forums has stopped TS from pushing ahead with the appointment at least for now ? 
    Not just you. I cannot decipher this so called data input of letters either.
  • Belv
    Belv Posts: 836
    Addick_8 said:
    All the non-season ticket holders on threatening to return their season tickets on Twitter is making my skin crawl.
    We, as a fanbase serious need humbling :s
    How does a non-season ticket holder return a season ticket they don't have?
  • Addick_8
    Addick_8 Posts: 687
    Belv said:
    Addick_8 said:
    All the non-season ticket holders on threatening to return their season tickets on Twitter is making my skin crawl.
    We, as a fanbase serious need humbling :s
    How does a non-season ticket holder return a season ticket they don't have?
    My point exactly..
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Thanks for posting @Scoham

    I enjoy knowing football coaches Journey and what makes them tick and the variety of managers that Ben has worked for is amazing. Defensive managers (Pulis) and more attack minded managers. Even coached in India.

    My choice was either Warburton as a senior experienced manager or Micheal Beale or similar as the 40ish age coach who wants to be number 1 or has been a number 1 in the lower divisions.

    Ben Garner is a step ahead of Beale as he had taken that leap already. Good luck to Michael Beale if he goes from being assistant coach at Villa to be the man who makes the calls in the game at QPR as there's no hiding place and so many experts in the crowd and on social media.

    I hope it is Ben Garner now and he is given a chance by Thomas and the crowd to deliver.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited May 2022
    Belv said:
    Addick_8 said:
    All the non-season ticket holders on threatening to return their season tickets on Twitter is making my skin crawl.
    We, as a fanbase serious need humbling :s
    How does a non-season ticket holder return a season ticket they don't have?
    Exactly - I think it was an ironic observation on the nature of empty gestures.

    Watching and listening to the video that is doing the rounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sKFHELgNFQ

    and looking at his performance last season I am coming round to the "quite whelmed" position.

    A young manager with some success under his belt, clearly with a brain, with a reason to want to take a difficult job in a higher league.  


  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    have @golfaddick and @jimmymelrose morphed into one?
    It's like behind her eyes.......
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  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
    Read into that what you will.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    aliwibble said:
    Leuth said:
    And now we’ve got Ben Garner we’re f ing dynamite

    The song can return 🕺
    I think "Super Ben's Red and White Army" is better
    This doesn't even scan.
     You know that I'm the first to critique poor scansion in songs people suggest, but given the abuse the first few syllables have been subjected to in previous iterations (either horribly drawn out or squished together depending on whose Red and White Army we're celebrating) I wouldn't say that it's worth exercising yourself over.
    Personally I'm hoping for a revival of "he's got no hair but we don't care", but fear we'd have to start calling him Benny G to get it to scan.
    Garner Ben
    Garner Ben
    Garner Garner Ben
    He’s got no hair
    But we don’t care
    Garner Garner Ben.

    Sorted.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    who recalls Garner Ted Armstrong ? .. 'greetings friends around the world'
  • Redrobo said:
    I love it how on here everyone tries so desperately to find arguments why this is a good appointment.

    He obviously was down Sandgaard's list. People have argued with me that TS wanted someone else other than Jackson all along, and he knew who he wanted. 

    I still believe that he sacked Jackson with no clear idea of whether his preferred man (if indeed he had one) would take the job. Then his first couple of managerial choices turned the job down because they can see how he is an owner who will insist on all out attack all the time, and buys players he finds exciting. A new Charlton manager has to be someone who will jump at the chance of managing in League Once regardless of doubts about the management of the club. That why we've got this bloke. Swindon had most shots, most goals etc but lost in the play- off semi finals. We'll probably just lose 4-3 or 5-4 now instead of 2-1.

    But still Charlton fans on here think we'll get promotion. I think that you are wearing rose tinted spectacles. This idea of doing well now is based upon what? Last season we did well to get out of the relegation zone and into mid table obscurity. Since then we've lost one of our best three players, not to mention a manager with a better League One record than this guy. Whatever players we get in will be more TS's or MS's choice, or players from the youth team. 

    I struggle to see any real argument for hope of good times other than losing high scoring games instead of low scoring games.




    I think he would improve the quality of the football we play and build a decent squad. I do not expect to get promoted this year but would hope to be in or around the top six at the end of the season and push onto the following season.
    I think that is a reasonable expectation given where we are now. A bit rose tinted but there you go.
    Part of TS strategy seems to go like this:
    - Create an academy that develops SE London talent and sells it to other clubs at a profit
    - Said academy also feeds the senior team
    - Raid the lower leagues for talent that is good value for money
    - Use data analytics and AI and all that stuff to make (marginal?) improvements.

    Given that football has such a high component of luck, I think this is fine, and it is relatively cheap. Not saying that Garner would be cheap but it would make sense.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    I said it was going to be ben Garner back in April but all the usual suspects got on the bandwagon and derided me.  Noticeable that none of you have been on here to apologise since, I'm still waiting.

    BTW AFKA deleted my original post as it was too contentious, so don't go looking for it, but you know who you are.
    I wasn't one of those that questioned you so thanks for confirming that Garner has now been appointed. Saves us checking on the official site.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    DA9 said:
    Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
    Read into that what you will.
    If the "other shareholders" part is true, it leads to two possible conclusions:
    1) TS is unwilling to bankroll our current losses on his own, i.e. it's more expensive than he thought it would be to compete
    2) TS is bringing in extra investment to get us where he wants us to be, for the same reason as above

    To a certain extent both could be considered "a good thing"(tm). If there's extra investors then it will dilute Tommy's control over the club and hopefully lead to a more structured decision making process, and probably a CEO being put in place who would represent all investors interests. And of course extra money (if it is option 2) is always nice to have at any level.

    The hope from our point of view has to be that TS has realised that the squad simply isn't good enough and needs a major overhaul rather than the cheaper incremental improvements he was hoping for. My additional hope would be that he realised that he can't get the losses down whilst he doesn't own the ground, doesn't own Sparrows Lane and isn't a Cat 1 academy, and that additional investment is the only way to achieve those aims in a timely fashion.

    Or maybe he's just got a rich mate who's a drummer and has convinced him to invest on the basis that they can perform together at the valley whenever they like and 10,000+ people have to watch them
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited May 2022
    Check out goal 6 and goal 7 of Swindon's goal of the season competition. This is at the point in the season where you would imagine Garner's ideas were starting to click.



     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f-YQu4A4-8
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    DA9 said:
    Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
    Read into that what you will.
    If the "other shareholders" part is true, it leads to two possible conclusions:
    1) TS is unwilling to bankroll our current losses on his own, i.e. it's more expensive than he thought it would be to compete
    2) TS is bringing in extra investment to get us where he wants us to be, for the same reason as above

    To a certain extent both could be considered "a good thing"(tm). If there's extra investors then it will dilute Tommy's control over the club and hopefully lead to a more structured decision making process, and probably a CEO being put in place who would represent all investors interests. And of course extra money (if it is option 2) is always nice to have at any level.

    The hope from our point of view has to be that TS has realised that the squad simply isn't good enough and needs a major overhaul rather than the cheaper incremental improvements he was hoping for. My additional hope would be that he realised that he can't get the losses down whilst he doesn't own the ground, doesn't own Sparrows Lane and isn't a Cat 1 academy, and that additional investment is the only way to achieve those aims in a timely fashion.

    Or maybe he's just got a rich mate who's a drummer and has convinced him to invest on the basis that they can perform together at the valley whenever they like and 10,000+ people have to watch them
    Someone in the club told me, wouldn’t elaborate further, also said that genuinely doesn’t know who has the job or if anyones been offered it, but I would expect them to say that regardless tbh 
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    DA9 said:
    DA9 said:
    Just been told that TS is definitely over next week with “other shareholders”
    Read into that what you will.
    If the "other shareholders" part is true, it leads to two possible conclusions:
    1) TS is unwilling to bankroll our current losses on his own, i.e. it's more expensive than he thought it would be to compete
    2) TS is bringing in extra investment to get us where he wants us to be, for the same reason as above

    To a certain extent both could be considered "a good thing"(tm). If there's extra investors then it will dilute Tommy's control over the club and hopefully lead to a more structured decision making process, and probably a CEO being put in place who would represent all investors interests. And of course extra money (if it is option 2) is always nice to have at any level.

    The hope from our point of view has to be that TS has realised that the squad simply isn't good enough and needs a major overhaul rather than the cheaper incremental improvements he was hoping for. My additional hope would be that he realised that he can't get the losses down whilst he doesn't own the ground, doesn't own Sparrows Lane and isn't a Cat 1 academy, and that additional investment is the only way to achieve those aims in a timely fashion.

    Or maybe he's just got a rich mate who's a drummer and has convinced him to invest on the basis that they can perform together at the valley whenever they like and 10,000+ people have to watch them
    Someone in the club told me, wouldn’t elaborate further, also said that genuinely doesn’t know who has the job or if anyones been offered it, but I would expect them to say that regardless tbh 
    Fair enough, and all interesting stuff.

    If TS is over next week then you'd expect an official announcement either not long before he arrives, or just after. He's going to want to be in videos/photos with the new manager either at announcement or very shortly afterwards,
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,698
    Ill admit the idea of Garner taking over was a bit underwhelming (haven't had a chance to watch the you tube thing yet) but getting a team to keep possession in L2 whilst keeping an attacking philosophy is impressive. I understand football has come way from (most) lower league just punting it up to a lump with a quick player to chase! 

    Any manager that comes in I would support and this is no different...just a tad weird its gone quiet again!!