wasn't it said not so long ago that bowyers training was too intensive?
Because he didn't have a specialist coach he flogged them half to death because he was obsessed with how fit Leeds were. He didn't take into account that 70 year old Bielsa had spent 40 years doing it and it took him 3 years.
Thinking about it Cawley covers all the other South London and Surrey sides so has contacts within the selhurst club
So he may well know Garner already or have a very good link to him.
So his source may not be Swindon or Charlton but the horse itself.
I have heard, as have others, that Garner has left Swindon today. That may not be right, but let's assume it is. That leaves 3 other possible scenarios.
It's a coincidence Cawley is wrong, or at least premature Thomas is lying
I think the first is so remote it's safe to rule it out. The other two options are a massive credibility issue, especially as they have both doubled down on it today. The most worrying thing imo is if Thomas has changed his mind because of a leak, or fan reaction. Neither are good.
Or that was not what TS said, Or Garner has agreed things with his agent but it has not yet been signed by us yet, Or there is an issue with the contract, Or TS needs to sign it, Or TS did not brief Cawley and he got information from elsewhere and is indeed premature, Or he has not left Swindon quite yet and hence it is not on their official site.
No need to be so dramatic and calling people liars. All it does is feed the negativity and drags the club down. Patience is a virtue when negotiating.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:
Thinking about it Cawley covers all the other South London and Surrey sides so has contacts within the selhurst club
So he may well know Garner already or have a very good link to him.
So his source may not be Swindon or Charlton but the horse itself.
I have heard, as have others, that Garner has left Swindon today. That may not be right, but let's assume it is. That leaves 3 other possible scenarios.
It's a coincidence Cawley is wrong, or at least premature Thomas is lying
I think the first is so remote it's safe to rule it out. The other two options are a massive credibility issue, especially as they have both doubled down on it today. The most worrying thing imo is if Thomas has changed his mind because of a leak, or fan reaction. Neither are good.
Or that was not what TS said, Or Garner has agreed things with his agent but it has not yet been signed by us yet, Or there is an issue with the contract, Or TS needs to sign it, Or TS did not brief Cawley and he got information from elsewhere and is indeed premature, Or he has not left Swindon quite yet and hence it is not on their official site.
No need to be so dramatic and calling people liars. All it does is feed the negativity and drags the club down. Patience is a virtue when negotiating.
I'll ask again, have you seen the messages Thomas is sending people on LinkedIn?
Because he is clearly saying they are still interviewing and that no one has been offered the job and he doesn't know where the story has come from. If you had seen them you would know. But you don't and your spinning your rose tinted veiw on it.
But negatively........
There is a difference between being negative for the sake of it and looking at facts, not speculation or interpretation.
Has it been confirmed that Ben Garner has resigned at Swindon ? I see their local paper saying he’s set to leave but that’s not quite the same although I expect it is.
I once asked Karl Robinson if the players had ever read the Laws of Football. Quick as a flash he answered that most of them are too stupid to read.
I know I am in a minority of 1 but really liked Karl Robinson.
I always felt like he could, at times, be very bright and insightful and genuinely interesting to listen to when he talked about football. But he also was sometimes so steeped in his own ego and football cliches and norms that he got in his own way, much like his mentor Big Sam.
He also had a system and was able to help identify and attract good players (JDS, JFC, Magennis, Fosu) and at times we played good football under him. He just didn't seem to be able to make adjustments over the course of a game and a season.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.
Assuming it's simply because they're cheap that they're still here and then saying you're not knocking them is disingenuous.
My assumption would be that they have continued to develop their abilities and broaden their skill sets. Maybe they're qualified to the point they need to be for us right now.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Going by TS seemingly denying Garner has been appointed and the Taylor interview posted earlier, my hunch is Taylor is still in the frame unless the interview is a few days old.
So have we built up a coherent picture of what’ the hell is going on?
Not remotely
I don’t think there is much doubt that Garner will soon be announced. Cawley doesn’t get too much wrong once he’s committed to tweeting something. I’d imagine the hold up is just some formalities at either CAFC, Swindon or with Ben Garner.
If he's not our next manager lots of people will have moaned about nothing. That's normal on here anyway...
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
Pretty much I reckon but I doubt Cawley would put it out there without some info from Charlton as well.
edit: I also think Sandgaard will want to control the announcement and that’s why he’s denying it.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity“
Oh dear. I'll classify that as very borderline worrying. He may be right and our training under previous managers has been lacking, but I agree statements like that aren't encouraging and hopefully are based on some sort of data compared to other clubs rather than him just deciding to say something like that. How he is qualified to know this I concede is a bit of a red flag and let's hope it stops there...
How did he get to a nice clean number like 10? And how is it measured?
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.
Not saying we don't have gaps or issues. The list isn't necessarily up to date or a complete list. Hasn't TS invested in the department, I thought he spent money on new equipment at least?
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Fair response.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Fair response.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
Perhaps both are true and he was/is continuing to interview (even if it was just one candidate) while negotiating with Swindon and Garner? It's not done until it's 100% done.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Fair response.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
I have seen some messages from Thomas in the last 12 hours that say they are still interviewing and have no idea where the story has come from.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Fair response.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in training
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity so we train at a minimum level we see in the Championship. It’s all around we’re improving.“
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. It's completely unmessurable unless he wants them to do 110 meter sprints instead of 100 meter ones.
We still don't have a fitness and conditioning coach do we?
Seriously? How long has that been the case? Can't get my head round why a professional football club would not have such an integral role in place.
Here's what the OS says we have on the medical/fitness side:
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
Adam, Josh, Ben and Steve have all been with the club for years, all have progressed whether that’s because they were ready or were cheap options, I’m guessing the latter. Not knocking them, all good guys that love the club, we have gaps in that department and will continue to struggle with injury problems with no investment.
Assuming it's simply because they're cheap that they're still here and then saying you're not knocking them is disingenuous.
My assumption would be that they have continued to develop their abilities and broaden their skill sets. Maybe they're qualified to the point they need to be for us right now.
Sorry didn’t mean to come across disingenuous, they may have progressed on merit but with the budget we had in place in the past and perhaps now, they have essentially been stretched covering the gaps and the club has decided to use the staff they had in place already and promote within and not bring in experience to adequately replace Erol, Laurence Bloom, Joe or Jared, two of which have many years of experience. People have since come and gone with no improvement. That’s my point.
My reckoning, given the slightly unclear picture, is that this story broke from the Swindon end, via contacts that Cawley may have in that area.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
No, Cawley is saying the deal between Charlton and Swindon is done, I can't believe he wouldn't fact check that and just take someones word for it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
Fair response.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
I have seen some messages from Thomas in the last 12 hours that say they are still interviewing and have no idea where the story has come from.
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He thought he could do it in the now.
Or Garner has agreed things with his agent but it has not yet been signed by us yet,
Or there is an issue with the contract,
Or TS needs to sign it,
Or TS did not brief Cawley and he got information from elsewhere and is indeed premature,
Or he has not left Swindon quite yet and hence it is not on their official site.
No need to be so dramatic and calling people liars. All it does is feed the negativity and drags the club down. Patience is a virtue when negotiating.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/team/coaching-staff
Men's First Team Head Physiotherapist: Adam Coe
Head of Physical Performance: Josh Hornby
Men's First-Team Sports Scientist: Ben Talbot
Men's First-Team Assistant Therapist: Steve Jackson
Club Doctor: Toby Longwill
Because he is clearly saying they are still interviewing and that no one has been offered the job and he doesn't know where the story has come from. If you had seen them you would know. But you don't and your spinning your rose tinted veiw on it.
But negatively........
There is a difference between being negative for the sake of it and looking at facts, not speculation or interpretation.
He also had a system and was able to help identify and attract good players (JDS, JFC, Magennis, Fosu) and at times we played good football under him. He just didn't seem to be able to make adjustments over the course of a game and a season.
close to signing BG have fizzled out…
I am 100% Garner in now.
My assumption would be that they have continued to develop their abilities and broaden their skill sets. Maybe they're qualified to the point they need to be for us right now.
Hasn’t it been rumoured before that since the regime change, Cawley’s club insider is no longer so reliable / left the club altogether?
All leads me to thinking this is Swindon saying “if you’re gonna do it, do it… pay up the compo and stop messing about so we can bring in a replacement”.
Far off or no? What do we think?
If he's not our next manager lots of people will have moaned about nothing. That's normal on here anyway...
edit: I also think Sandgaard will want to control the announcement and that’s why he’s denying it.
He would have pulled out the Garner is strongly link or some journalists bullshit. He is convinced its done, else he wouldn't double down on it.
90.9% * 1.1 = 100% et voila. Or something.
Makes the supposed TS LinkedIn conversation all the more puzzling.
Puzzling isn't the word.
That convo is also in the above twitter reply.
#searches for David Brent gif#
It's a farce, 24 hours ago I was convinced we had done something at least sensible, if not perfect.
Every time, every single time I think he can't be stupid enough to do that surely, he fucking does it!