I like Gilbey, he seems like a really nice bloke who wants to do well for Charlton and on his day he's a very good player. Based on his output at Charlton though he's one of the last people you would want in a team all about retaining possession. He's an averages player - a difficult pass, a run with players in front of him, Gilbey tries the stuff that doesn't come off a lot of the time. When it works he breaks the lines and when it doesn't he loses the ball. Fine if you're playing that way but if we want to keep the ball then Gilbey isn't the man to do it. I think he'd benefit from a fresh start anyway. His confidence is clearly very low and when he loses the ball, which he'll always do, he doesn't seem to recover too well at the moment. If he stays great, I hope he does well, but I wouldn't be massively surprised if he's not the kind of midfielder that Garner wants.
To be honest, I don't recognise that description of Gilbey. The occasional forward run yes, but I don't recall him trying many progressive passes in his 2 years.
Morgan does try the difficult passes. He often doesn't get it right, but he is someone who does look to get the ball forward and start attacks.
I’m not a fan of either Gilbey or Morgan. I think they go missing in games particularly away from home. My son who is not an overly critical supporter by nature calls them ghosts. Gilbey is a strange one . He is definitely a talented footballer but tends to be anonymous in the first half of games and then seems to try harder or get stronger in the last 15-20 mins ( often when we are chasing the game) I guess at League 1 level, a lack of consistency is not unusual.
Neither Gilbey or Purrington are as bad as their critics would have you believe. However their time at CAFC has come to a natural end and I won't shed any tears provided that, as the man said, we bring in better.
With our recruitment record I'd rather get replacements in before pushing them out of the door.
Not really that fussed about Gilbey either way although Sage makes a well considered adult case for him staying in contrast to certain childish, privileged tantrums.
Equally, Gilbert hasn't impacted positively enough to justify his place in the side IMHO.
But three keys points.
Firstly, he's still under contract so even if we want to let him go he can stay.
Secondly, WIOTOS
Thirdly, why the feck is this on the Ben Garner, rather than the transfer rumours, thread?
They have ALL been a fucking liability at one point in a totally crap 3-4 years and THEREFORE should all be considered for the exit door.
If you ever watched a game you would realize that both Corey Blackett-Taylor and George Dobson have progressed but I realize you only come on CL to slag off so please carry on if that makes you happy.
Gilbey at home to Ipswich I’d keep all day long but as others have said don’t do it enough plus been told he is a bad apple around the place. I’d give him one more chance
Not sure who told you this but it’s damaging and untrue. Trains hard and is well liked by all accounts.
Just on the BG piece about watching every game from last season, I remember Bielsa doing something similar when he took over at Leeds. It’s quite common and the modern way. If he can do half the job Bielsa did at Leeds we will be in a good place.
Regarding Gibby, as I now affectionately know him by thanks to the Cheltenham commentary team, average player that has been stop and start since joining us, I think there is better out there we could be looking at.
Bielsa had watched every league game of Leeds the previous season, knew the positions of where each player had played and how many times, the formation and change of formation and tactics throughout the game. By all means, Bielsa knew more about Leeds in his interview and presentation than Leeds board knew themselves.
There was a great article and video about it with Angus Kinnear not long after they appointed him.
How many people mention just one performance of his says it all, the exact kind of player that has been holding us back.
I like him but he isn’t very good and think we need to move him on. When we signed him and hearing how mad MK fans were and saying he belongs in the championship etc I was really excited to watch him play, I can honestly say he was extremely underwhelming and felt Ben Reeves was the better signing from MK, who incidentally was also very underwhelming.
I hope Garner can bring in some serious centre mids cause other than Dobson & Aribo in recent years, they’ve all been loans we haven’t been able to keep or crocked
Bielsa knew all the minutiae about his players and on occasions about the opposition where he used Binoculars !
Outside the Premier you can definitely be attack minded and Bielsa with the help of the English speaking coaches got his tactics across to his players. Problem was once in the premier if you play too open you will be found out over time. Once Bamford and Phillips were out injured it was always going to be a struggle to stay up. Norwich are always staying one season and Watford has no identity with their new manager every season. Edwards has the gig in summer I wonder who it will be in Autumn ?
Burnley finally run out of options. Chris Wood may not be the greatest but it cost Burnley big time when he moved to Saudi Arabia Geordie land. The Leeds crowd helped to keep the team up on the last day as James and Ayling had shown ill discipline in the last few games with Red cards.
Back to Garner, and his way of playing attacking but also finding ways of not being hit in transition. That is the only flaw in his system and why they only finished 6th with so many 1st in the positive stats.
I would love to see Garner work at Sparrows lane; now where are those binoculars?
I think Deji will be a pick for Garner, I just hope we don't sell him if he has a couple of decent game before the window shuts.
Obviously Man city and Liverpool can be attacking as their squad of players are better than every other team in the premier.
They have ALL been a fucking liability at one point in a totally crap 3-4 years and THEREFORE should all be considered for the exit door.
If you ever watched a game you would realize that both Corey Blackett-Taylor and George Dobson have progressed but I realize you only come on CL to slag off so please carry on if that makes you happy.
Or one got fit and the other played in the right role?
I really want to see Dobson play in a double pivot again (I think Swindon only played it once last season)
They have ALL been a fucking liability at one point in a totally crap 3-4 years and THEREFORE should all be considered for the exit door.
If you ever watched a game you would realize that both Corey Blackett-Taylor and George Dobson have progressed but I realize you only come on CL to slag off so please carry on if that makes you happy.
Or one got fit and the other played in the right role?
I really want to see Dobson play in a double pivot again (I think Swindon only played it once last season)
My point was not all Charlton players are total crap.
Are you seriously saying George Dobson POTY was played in the wrong position ?
The only wrong position for George was when your favourite Nigel Adkins put him on the bench.
You got upset when Ben Watson was called slow. Unfortunately Watson who had a very good career was slow at Cafc.
Ben Garner will play George Dobson in the best position for the team. May even give him license to roam ( similar to Rice at West ham) if we can sign the right players to give us some security at the back.
Garner have a good record in away matches at Swindon but the home record wasn't top 6 so interesting to see his game plan.
They have ALL been a fucking liability at one point in a totally crap 3-4 years and THEREFORE should all be considered for the exit door.
If you ever watched a game you would realize that both Corey Blackett-Taylor and George Dobson have progressed but I realize you only come on CL to slag off so please carry on if that makes you happy.
Or one got fit and the other played in the right role?
I really want to see Dobson play in a double pivot again (I think Swindon only played it once last season)
My point was not all Charlton players are total crap.
Are you seriously saying George Dobson POTY was played in the wrong position ?
The only wrong position for George was when your favourite Nigel Adkins put him on the bench.
You got upset when Ben Watson was called slow. Unfortunately Watson who had a very good career was slow at Cafc.
Ben Garner will play George Dobson in the best position for the team. May even give him license to roam ( similar to Rice at West ham) if we can sign the right players to give us some security at the back.
Garner have a good record in away matches at Swindon but the home record wasn't top 6 so interesting to see his game plan.
No I am saying that your favourite Jackson actually played POTY in the right roll. I have no skin in the Nigel argument but I 100% think he was massively let down. He could have, should have, done better. That's why he was, rightfully, sacked, but we wouldn't have finished top half with Jackson, Ferguson, Clough or Shankley last season.
I didn't get upset because Ben Watson was called slow, I think even Ben Watson would say he was now slow, but the constant jokes about it got boring very quickly.
Can Dobson play in a double pivot? I dont think he can, or at least he couldn't 10 months ago. Of course there is time, coaching, experience etc which are all on his side.
Did CBT improve or just get fit? He wasn't fit when he got here, he was outstanding against Gillingham away. Was that his 1st or 2nd game?
I have never once said, hinted or otherwise that all our players are crap. A lot of them are very good, at different things than we have asked them to do, that's the problem. I do however, think there are too many that aren't useful in a at least two of a 4231, a 433, a 352, a 343. Therefore are useless.
I have met and spoke to Gilbey many times and can assure you all he is an intelligent man who has time for those around him. He is not unsettled either. I am sure he would say so himself that he has changed since becoming a father. The abuse he has received from here and on social media is far too harsh. He’s not played great through the second half of the season but he was excellent through the Jackson caretaker spell.
If you look at his Charlton career, it’s not gone the way he wanted at all. And there are reasons for that, normal football and human life reasons that people often overlook.
He came in to a side who had been relegated and the squad decimated. He started bright and then picked up an injury. He played through the injury as he wanted to continue to play and try to help the team. It didn’t work and he was out for longer.
He then came back into the side and seemingly fell out of favour with Bowyer, playing him in all kinds of positions and being singled out for criticism. He came out the team again but was struggling to get back to fitness and that management style at the time was not ideal.
Adkins came in and played him as a 10 and he was very good at the back end of that season. People talking about a new Gilbey and whatever it might have been. We were impressed.
He missed a large part, if not all of pre season because he had a severe case of covid. That took a big hit on his fitness and possibly a bit on his confidence too.
Gets himself in a position to help the team after hard work and does very well up until the middle of December.
Then Jackson gets made permanent, we have case after case of covid and injuries start to mount including our 3 main strikers. All of our players in that period were poor.
Players start to come back and by this point, the season is over, there is a lot of internal politics, players do not know their future and because of the system being played, he often found himself having to be almost a right midfielder and not a central midfielder being asked to help the attack because Matthews as right wing back offered nearly nothing going forward.
His best position is one of two 8s in a 3 man midfield with actual wide players available. We rarely played that throughout his time here.
His performances haven’t been great and he would say the same but the criticism is well over board and has been for a while and that, alongside it being a general census so people will lean towards that opinion, contributes to his average marks. But at the same time, people like myself never score players so it is also skewed as well.
If he leaves, it looks like I’ll be one in a minority who will be sad to see him go because he can offer us so much next season and I hope he stays and proves many people wrong because in a team who has the ball more than they don’t, and creates more chances, he is actually a type of player who could shine.
Meeting players can make you see them through rose tinted specs sometimes.
He’s a funny old player. Quite elegant when running with the ball, looked quite athletic, very good engine, but so disappointing once he actually tries to do something with it.
The number of times his runs ended in an assist or a goal you could count on the fingers of one finger.
He’d pick up the ball, run forward with it, and everything would look so promising; and yet somehow nothing would ever, or almost never, come of it. He reminded me of Ulvestadt in that regard.
It’s a shame, and I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but I don’t think we’ll really miss him. If anything it was players like him that meant we underperformed last season, although I always, always wanted him to do well.
He’ll probably wind up elsewhere and have a great season.
For what it's worth, don't post much on here, but enjoy reading the debates that goes on,, have a feeling ben garner might do ok if he gets backed and us supporters get behind him, only my feeling and my wish...+ few 🍺 had .. soz
For what it's worth, don't post much on here, but enjoy reading the debates that goes on,, have a feeling ben garner might do ok if he gets backed and us supporters get behind him, only my feeling and my wish...+ few 🍺 had .. soz
Well said, Billy. In Vino Veritas. And thanks for getting back to the thread message.
I have met and spoke to Gilbey many times and can assure you all he is an intelligent man who has time for those around him. He is not unsettled either. I am sure he would say so himself that he has changed since becoming a father. The abuse he has received from here and on social media is far too harsh. He’s not played great through the second half of the season but he was excellent through the Jackson caretaker spell.
If you look at his Charlton career, it’s not gone the way he wanted at all. And there are reasons for that, normal football and human life reasons that people often overlook.
He came in to a side who had been relegated and the squad decimated. He started bright and then picked up an injury. He played through the injury as he wanted to continue to play and try to help the team. It didn’t work and he was out for longer.
He then came back into the side and seemingly fell out of favour with Bowyer, playing him in all kinds of positions and being singled out for criticism. He came out the team again but was struggling to get back to fitness and that management style at the time was not ideal.
Adkins came in and played him as a 10 and he was very good at the back end of that season. People talking about a new Gilbey and whatever it might have been. We were impressed.
He missed a large part, if not all of pre season because he had a severe case of covid. That took a big hit on his fitness and possibly a bit on his confidence too.
Gets himself in a position to help the team after hard work and does very well up until the middle of December.
Then Jackson gets made permanent, we have case after case of covid and injuries start to mount including our 3 main strikers. All of our players in that period were poor.
Players start to come back and by this point, the season is over, there is a lot of internal politics, players do not know their future and because of the system being played, he often found himself having to be almost a right midfielder and not a central midfielder being asked to help the attack because Matthews as right wing back offered nearly nothing going forward.
His best position is one of two 8s in a 3 man midfield with actual wide players available. We rarely played that throughout his time here.
His performances haven’t been great and he would say the same but the criticism is well over board and has been for a while and that, alongside it being a general census so people will lean towards that opinion, contributes to his average marks. But at the same time, people like myself never score players so it is also skewed as well.
If he leaves, it looks like I’ll be one in a minority who will be sad to see him go because he can offer us so much next season and I hope he stays and proves many people wrong because in a team who has the ball more than they don’t, and creates more chances, he is actually a type of player who could shine.
Meeting players can make you see them through rose tinted specs sometimes.
He’s a funny old player. Quite elegant when running with the ball, looked quite athletic, very good engine, but so disappointing once he actually tries to do something with it.
The number of times his runs ended in an assist or a goal you could count on the fingers of one finger.
He’d pick up the ball, run forward with it, and everything would look so promising; and yet somehow nothing would ever, or almost never, come of it. He reminded me of Ulvestadt in that regard.
It’s a shame, and I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but I don’t think we’ll really miss him. If anything it was players like him that meant we underperformed last season, although I always, always wanted him to do well.
He’ll probably wind up elsewhere and have a great season.
Whilst you could see through rose tinted spectacles when meeting a player in person, appreciate that, I also think analysing a players usefulness to the team based on the fans overall fans forum rating for the season I think is equally unfair!!
For the simple fact of the matter that listening to the majority of fans and their views on certain players on a week to week basis suggests to me that they have never played the game in their lives!!
I have met and spoke to Gilbey many times and can assure you all he is an intelligent man who has time for those around him. He is not unsettled either. I am sure he would say so himself that he has changed since becoming a father. The abuse he has received from here and on social media is far too harsh. He’s not played great through the second half of the season but he was excellent through the Jackson caretaker spell.
If you look at his Charlton career, it’s not gone the way he wanted at all. And there are reasons for that, normal football and human life reasons that people often overlook.
He came in to a side who had been relegated and the squad decimated. He started bright and then picked up an injury. He played through the injury as he wanted to continue to play and try to help the team. It didn’t work and he was out for longer.
He then came back into the side and seemingly fell out of favour with Bowyer, playing him in all kinds of positions and being singled out for criticism. He came out the team again but was struggling to get back to fitness and that management style at the time was not ideal.
Adkins came in and played him as a 10 and he was very good at the back end of that season. People talking about a new Gilbey and whatever it might have been. We were impressed.
He missed a large part, if not all of pre season because he had a severe case of covid. That took a big hit on his fitness and possibly a bit on his confidence too.
Gets himself in a position to help the team after hard work and does very well up until the middle of December.
Then Jackson gets made permanent, we have case after case of covid and injuries start to mount including our 3 main strikers. All of our players in that period were poor.
Players start to come back and by this point, the season is over, there is a lot of internal politics, players do not know their future and because of the system being played, he often found himself having to be almost a right midfielder and not a central midfielder being asked to help the attack because Matthews as right wing back offered nearly nothing going forward.
His best position is one of two 8s in a 3 man midfield with actual wide players available. We rarely played that throughout his time here.
His performances haven’t been great and he would say the same but the criticism is well over board and has been for a while and that, alongside it being a general census so people will lean towards that opinion, contributes to his average marks. But at the same time, people like myself never score players so it is also skewed as well.
If he leaves, it looks like I’ll be one in a minority who will be sad to see him go because he can offer us so much next season and I hope he stays and proves many people wrong because in a team who has the ball more than they don’t, and creates more chances, he is actually a type of player who could shine.
Meeting players can make you see them through rose tinted specs sometimes.
He’s a funny old player. Quite elegant when running with the ball, looked quite athletic, very good engine, but so disappointing once he actually tries to do something with it.
The number of times his runs ended in an assist or a goal you could count on the fingers of one finger.
He’d pick up the ball, run forward with it, and everything would look so promising; and yet somehow nothing would ever, or almost never, come of it. He reminded me of Ulvestadt in that regard.
It’s a shame, and I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but I don’t think we’ll really miss him. If anything it was players like him that meant we underperformed last season, although I always, always wanted him to do well.
He’ll probably wind up elsewhere and have a great season.
Whilst you could see through rose tinted spectacles when meeting a player in person, appreciate that, I also think analysing a players usefulness to the team based on the fans overall fans forum rating for the season I think is equally unfair!!
For the simple fact of the matter that listening to the majority of fans and their views on certain players on a week to week basis suggests to me that they have never played the game in their lives!!
There exists a concept called the ‘wisdom of crowds’. Check it out, it is rather surprising. I think our excellent statbank, once it builds up enough responses is quite a good measure. I doubt any supporter with whatever individual perspective they may have would argue against George Dobson being our best player last season as the statbank indicated.
People with Friends at Swindon People with Friends at Charlton People who know nothing People who know something People who have a Crystal ball People who are negative People who are positive People who argue People who come in peace People who need people
Big thanks to you all because without you this would just be 1 page of nothingness.
Move on now as this thread has been retired and the lawyers are checking for any historic crimes against the English Language.
The nominees for best word or words used on this thread as voted by the CL membership are:
Semantics by Large addick Fruit loops by Oohaah non-sequitur by Garry Manilow
And the BAFA goes to.....
Garry Manilow for non-sequitur. Barry Manilow won by a nose
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Morgan does try the difficult passes. He often doesn't get it right, but he is someone who does look to get the ball forward and start attacks.
I guess at League 1 level, a lack of consistency is not unusual.
Erm hang on, what thread am I on, oh excellent we’ve got a manager, close thread, job done.
There was a great article and video about it with Angus Kinnear not long after they appointed him.
Outside the Premier you can definitely be attack minded and Bielsa with the help of the English speaking coaches got his tactics across to his players. Problem was once in the premier if you play too open you will be found out over time. Once Bamford and Phillips were out injured it was always going to be a struggle to stay up. Norwich are always staying one season and Watford has no identity with their new manager every season. Edwards has the gig in summer I wonder who it will be in Autumn ?
Burnley finally run out of options. Chris Wood may not be the greatest but it cost Burnley big time when he moved to Saudi Arabia Geordie land.
The Leeds crowd helped to keep the team up on the last day as James and Ayling had shown ill discipline in the last few games with Red cards.
Back to Garner, and his way of playing attacking but also finding ways of not being hit in transition. That is the only flaw in his system and why they only finished 6th with so many 1st in the positive stats.
I would love to see Garner work at Sparrows lane; now where are those binoculars?
I think Deji will be a pick for Garner, I just hope we don't sell him if he has a couple of decent game before the window shuts.
Obviously Man city and Liverpool can be attacking as their squad of players are better than every other team in the premier.
I really want to see Dobson play in a double pivot again (I think Swindon only played it once last season)
My point was not all Charlton players are total crap.
Are you seriously saying George Dobson POTY was played in the wrong position ?
The only wrong position for George was when your favourite Nigel Adkins put him on the bench.
You got upset when Ben Watson was called slow. Unfortunately Watson who had a very good career was slow at Cafc.
Ben Garner will play George Dobson in the best position for the team. May even give him license to roam ( similar to Rice at West ham) if we can sign the right players to give us some security at the back.
Garner have a good record in away matches at Swindon but the home record wasn't top 6 so interesting to see his game plan.
I didn't get upset because Ben Watson was called slow, I think even Ben Watson would say he was now slow, but the constant jokes about it got boring very quickly.
Can Dobson play in a double pivot? I dont think he can, or at least he couldn't 10 months ago. Of course there is time, coaching, experience etc which are all on his side.
Did CBT improve or just get fit? He wasn't fit when he got here, he was outstanding against Gillingham away. Was that his 1st or 2nd game?
I have never once said, hinted or otherwise that all our players are crap. A lot of them are very good, at different things than we have asked them to do, that's the problem. I do however, think there are too many that aren't useful in a at least two of a 4231, a 433, a 352, a 343. Therefore are useless.
In Focus: Charlton Athletic
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Charlton are the next club in focus, who look to improve on their 13th place finish last season, under the new management of Ben Garner.
CLUB
Founded: 1905
Nickname: The Addicks
Stadium: The Valley
Location: London
Home colours: Red shirt, white shorts, red socks
FIRST TEAM
Manager: Ben Garner
Captain: Jason Pearce
Top appearance maker (2021/2022): Craig MacGillivray (45 Apps)
Top goalscorer (2021/2022): Jayden Stockley (17 Goals)
Longest serving player: Jason Pearce (Five years, ten months)
Other notable players: Alex Gilbey, Chucks Aneke, Ben Purrington,
Above from MK Dons website: Nice to see that they are keeping up with current events!
Anyway. Welcome Ben. Good luck pal…you’re gonna need it with us lot!!
seems he is living up to his Verb meaning..
And thanks for getting back to the thread message.
For the simple fact of the matter that listening to the majority of fans and their views on certain players on a week to week basis suggests to me that they have never played the game in their lives!!
I think our excellent statbank, once it builds up enough responses is quite a good measure.
I doubt any supporter with whatever individual perspective they may have would argue against George Dobson being our best player last season as the statbank indicated.
People ITK,
People in the dark
People with Friends at Charlton
People who know nothing
People who know something
People who have a Crystal ball
People who are negative
People who are positive
People who argue
People who come in peace
People who need people
Big thanks to you all because without you this would just be 1 page of nothingness.
Move on now as this thread has been retired and the lawyers are checking for any historic crimes against the English Language.
The nominees for best word or words used on this thread as voted by the CL membership are:
Semantics by Large addick
Fruit loops by Oohaah
non-sequitur by Garry Manilow
And the BAFA goes to.....
Garry Manilow for non-sequitur.
Barry Manilow won by a nose
The End.