I'd employ my son if I was TS. He needs somebody he can trust in there I suspect. I think it is crazy us focusing on MS as anything more than that.
I totally agree, in principle.
We have people come on here, and other places, and say he isn't in charge of anything other than using some software. They maybe right.
However my biggest gripe over the last year has been the recruitment. Everything else is either a distraction or because the recruitment is shit.
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
You are forgetting the third option. That TS said something that some of our idiotic fans interpreted to mean that his son was in charge of recruiting even though that’s not what he said or meant. The same idiotic fans then spun that narrative so they could be angry on social media because being angry with righteous indignation is more important to them than actually supporting the club. Then the rest of the fans saw these angry fan posts and assumed it was the truth when it was just a game of telephone with information two times removed from the source.
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.
I'd employ my son if I was TS. He needs somebody he can trust in there I suspect. I think it is crazy us focusing on MS as anything more than that.
I totally agree, in principle.
We have people come on here, and other places, and say he isn't in charge of anything other than using some software. They maybe right.
However my biggest gripe over the last year has been the recruitment. Everything else is either a distraction or because the recruitment is shit.
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
You are forgetting the third option. That TS said something that some of our idiotic fans interpreted to mean that his son was in charge of recruiting even though that’s not what he said or meant. The same idiotic fans then spun that narrative so they could be angry on social media because being angry with righteous indignation is more important to them than actually supporting the club. Then the rest of the fans saw these angry fan posts and assumed it was the truth when it was just a game of telephone with information two times removed from the source.
" He said Steve Gallen,
Martin Sandgaard and Johnnie Jackson go out scouting a lot, driving around the
country. TS said sometimes agents send him a player suggestion and once in a
while, that player may be of interest and that Steve Gallen and Martin Sandgaardwill get out on the road and scout the player. He said you have to see it yourself;
he said you can’t just rely on statistics and that videos can be deceiving too.
TS said as part of the club’s recruitment analysis, there is a team that reports to
Martin Sandgaard, who are out there scouting all the time too"
There is also the interview, that I cant find at the moment where Thomas specifically credited Martin with finding Fraser. Despite previously saying he was a summer target before martin was involved. There are dozens of quotes available for you to find online.
I don't think it's the fans that are being idiotic here. If Martin is not in charge of recruitment, why does Thomas keep saying he is.
If we don't hurry up and appoint Matt Taylor soon I might be forced to publish my 10,000 word thesis on why we should break the bank to persuade Nigel Clough to move down south!
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.
I know that is his job title but why does Thomas keep saying he is, if he isn't? It's a simple question.
It's pretty clear who is lining up players. Martin Sandgaard is heading up analysis side and Steve Gallen negotiates the deals. This has been mentioned before. Obviously Thomas, as the owner, has big input as well
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
He does not report to Gallen. Him and Gallen both report directly to Thomas. Gallen negotiates. Thomas as said this, on the record multiple times....
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money.
Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.
It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money.
Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.
It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
Do we have any choice? It really doesn’t matter what people post on message boards In the meantime.
He said Martin is charge of recruitment analysis. That is only one part of the recruitment function. Scouting, analysis, decision making on which recruits to negotiate with and the ultimate negotiation are all separate functions in recruitment. All of these fall under Gallens and ultimately TS perview Martin is responsible for one aspect but reports to Gallen. I have no clue if he is qualified for that sub role but the ultimate decision of recruiting and signing players lie with Gallen and TS
That seems logical but that's not the way it has been explained by TS and that set up as described, crucially, doesn't include the manager either when JJ was here or now
And yet Adkins had to be convinced to sign Dobson. Sounds to me as it is a team effort identifying targets, but I suspect that it is TS that has to be convinced to pay the money.
Obviously that will be easier if there is broad agreement.
It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
Do we have any choice? It really doesn’t matter what people post on message boards In the meantime.
We do have a choice not to spend the whole summer moaning over and over again, and saying exactly the same thing again and again and on every thread. You are right, it really doesn’t matter, just boring.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
Yes it is clearly nepotism. Whether looking at the bigger picture it is wrong is more complicated. Maybe TS is worried about who he can trust. Wasn’t there some post recently about staff members acting differently when TS is around compared to when he is in Colorado?
I’m not aware of that but if it’s true then he has big problems. To me that would suggest that he is not engaging the staff due several scenarios. Lack of clarity on the message. His behaviour being inconsistent vs the message. Or they don’t believe in the message. Pure speculation but bringing in your inexperienced son does not feel as though that’s going to change things for the better.
Look at Arsenal and the Kroenkes Stan brings in son Josh but the Arsenal fans from what I can gather can’t stand them. I say that in that Arsenal have the 5th biggest wage budget and will finish in that position. Maybe I’m talking myself around the son is a red herring. If he spends like a drunken sailor and we have the biggest budget in L1 eventually we will be promoted regardless of who is in charge.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.
Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.
Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team
That’s got to be a wind up because there’s a quote from TS on the official site saying MS and SG both report directly into him just a few posts up.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
If we get much beyond the end of this week we will once again appear unable to recruit our targets, this time a manager. As an optimistic person it is rare for me to feel that I think we are close to throwing away another season if we don't have a manager in place this time next week. We currently need a lot of players in and have no manager/head coach.
Yes I know I am repeating the obvious, unless you are a certain poster, but sorry that was cathartic.
Why in God's name is Thomas pedling the narrative that Martin is in charge of recruitment. He even says he is out scouting players because you can't trust the data alone.
Martin is either in charge of recruitment and Thomas is an idiot. Or Martin isn't and Thomas is an idiot for making us believe he is. Either way it's not a good look.
Does it undo the good things he has done, probably not but it's totally avoidable either way.
His son was appointed Director of Analysis in December. He is not in charge of recruitment.
Not got the badges or qualification to be a manager or coach .. he is just part of SG team
That’s got to be a wind up because there’s a quote from TS on the official site saying MS and SG both report directly into him just a few posts up.
Heyo, Exeter fan here popping along to share some thoughts on Matt Taylor as there seems to be a lot of talk about him going to you. No idea if any of it is genuine or not and obviously hope he doesn't go, but that's the nature of football.
He's clearly done some great stuff with a midtable budget this season. It's taken some time to get there though, you might need a little patience to get to where you want to be. Doesn't sound like your owners are in for that. We've had some dire results over the last 4 years and there was a vocal minority calling for him to be gone, particularly the end of last season.
As far as tactics go, we've done really well with 5-3-2, which I read is what you've been playing and it not being an ideal fit. I wouldn't worry too much about that, we were forced into it by having a bunch of players best suited to wingback and no fullbacks or wingers.
Developing academy players is something we're known for and I've seen people on here are keen on it. Obviously a lot of this is down to the academy itself, which was churning out gems before Taylor and will continue to do so after he's gone (hopefully!). He deserves credit for bringing them into the first team, but again that's been a longterm project requiring patience as they are gradually introduced. This close season he's been unusually ruthless culling them, with some real surprise releases. I guess that's either a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.
The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.
The big issue seems to be your owner's interference, which I think might be the thing that really gives Taylor pause. At Exeter he has pretty much complete control over everything. Unlike in the past we don't have an experienced director of football behind the scenes. I don't know if he'd be willing to work with an owner who is telling him how to play and who to sign.
Thanks Dave. Interesting last paragraph when an outsider is looking at our club at present. Gives you food for thought
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" He said Steve Gallen,
Martin Sandgaard and Johnnie Jackson go out scouting a lot, driving around the
country. TS said sometimes agents send him a player suggestion and once in a
while, that player may be of interest and that Steve Gallen and Martin Sandgaardwill get out on the road and scout the player. He said you have to see it yourself;
he said you can’t just rely on statistics and that videos can be deceiving too.
TS said as part of the club’s recruitment analysis, there is a team that reports to
Martin Sandgaard, who are out there scouting all the time too"
There is also the interview, that I cant find at the moment where Thomas specifically credited Martin with finding Fraser. Despite previously saying he was a summer target before martin was involved. There are dozens of quotes available for you to find online.
I don't think it's the fans that are being idiotic here. If Martin is not in charge of recruitment, why does Thomas keep saying he is.
Richard Cawley
"Martin will work alongside, and learn from, Steve Gallen and they’ll both report directly in to me.”. https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard
He also says Martin goes out scouting. It does not all full under Gallen, according the narrative spun buy the owner. He should know.
It either does fall under Gallen and Thomas is lying, or it doesn't.
It would be nice if we could give them a modicum of time and see how the new recruitment team do in their first summer.
matter what people post on message boards In the meantime.
You are right, it really doesn’t matter, just boring.
"Martin will work alongside, and learn from, Steve Gallen and they’ll both report directly in to me.”. https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
Yes I know I am repeating the obvious, unless you are a certain poster, but sorry that was cathartic.
At this point, people are just purposely ignoring what's been said and it's all just got a bit tiring and dull now.