started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
Agree with those who say he's earned the right to take us to the World Cup. Also believe no one else would now have time to really have a decent look at the players before then etc.
But I must admit I don't fancy our chances of doing much in the WC. The last two tournaments were the best chances we've had in a while (draw opened up in WC, then essentially a home tournament) and I don't think a boiling hot mid-season WC plays favours us much.
started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).
The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
Yes the same questions are being asked of France and Deschamps. A lot of people want him gone and Zidane brought in. Belgium are not a good comparison as they have 7 points and 9 goals from their 4 games.
It's not an overreaction at all, when we've scored a penalty in 4 games, played terribly in most games and just had our worst home defeat for 94 years.
No one will deny Southgate has done well at the last 2 tournaments and i agree there's no way they're going to get rid 5 months before the world cup, but even the most positive of England fans has to be worried about what they've seen in the last 2 weeks. We've been dreadful.
Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).
The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
Yes the same questions are being asked of France and Deschamps. A lot of people want him gone and Zidane brought in. Belgium are not a good comparison as they have 7 points and 9 goals from their 4 games.
It's not an overreaction at all, when we've scored a penalty in 4 games, played terribly in most games and just had our worst home defeat for 94 years.
No one will deny Southgate has done well at the last 2 tournaments and i agree there's no way they're going to get rid 5 months before the world cup, but even the most positive of England fans has to be worried about what they've seen in the last 2 weeks. We've been dreadful.
Let’s hope we see a big reaction in September after a break, a balanced left sided player playing, Rice back in, and at least one creative wide forward starting. Southgate really needs to get those right cos that hype around a decent World Cup is fading fast.
I think Southgate peaked at the Euros. We could and should of won that tournament. Italy's change of game plan, and our lack of response from GS, In that game ultimately cost the team psychologically.
He's been brilliant for England, I'm grateful for what he's achieved, reinstating the togetherness and spirit..now its for someone ( I don't have an immediate suggestion) to build on it with more tactical nouse.
Reminds me of the Adkins era towards the end. To many team changes from one match to the other. Select your best 11 & stick to it. If you can't because of tiredness/ 4 games in 10 days then say something at the time. Tell UEFA the schedule is crazy. If you not brave enough to speakup then deal with it.
Just seen the red card. Ha ha ha ha. Southgate should have just told the players to walk off. No-one has the bollox these days to stand up to officialdom.
They beat us twice in a week. Ergo ~ they are better than us at football. All this bunkum about longseasons and Gareth Southgate badger being limited in tactics.
The Euros clearly showed us Southgate isn't the guy to win trophies ~ even when he is handed the trophy on the plate with arguably the best squad we have ever had, conspired to hand a pair of Italian octogenarians in the Italian defence a major trophy with our name on. An earlier comment is right ~ we will never get such an easy chance to win a major trophy.
After the Euros we clearly saw that we had only 4 men out there. The rest were elite athletic boys none of whom are leaders. Trophies are won by leaders throughout the team.
Reminds me of the Adkins era towards the end. To many team changes from one match to the other. Select your best 11 & stick to it. If you can't because of tiredness/ 4 games in 10 days then say something at the time. Tell UEFA the schedule is crazy. If you not brave enough to speakup then deal with it.
Just seen the red card. Ha ha ha ha. Southgate should have just told the players to walk off. No-one has the bollox these days to stand up to officialdom.
Absolutely no chance you can pick the same team after a long grueling season for 4 games in 10 days. Agree with your comments about scheduling, but you could also argue that playing different players in these games is exactly what's needed, this was essentially our pre-season to the World Cup.
lol!... Lets hear about the attitude of the players from the likes of Joe and Ashley Cole!!
Pot pissing kettle...
Those two were part of the most embarrassing era of English Football
Very harsh on both, particularly Ashley. He always turned up, especially in the big games. He couldn’t control the whole team.
Sorry I've very little sympathy for any of that squad.
Especially when you hear Ferdinand / Gerrard talking about the club culture.
Some may have shown up, but to put club before country is unforgivable.
I still think that's unfair. That squad was the most talented we've had in my lifetime, people talk about the attacking options we have now but that squad had quality all over the pitch. We were probably an attacking player or two short in terms of depth but that first XI on paper should have been better.
I agree on the culture, although it's mainly spoken about in terms of Liverpool v Man Utd, I'm not sure Ashley Cole fits into that. We're guessing how he felt but his performances in the major tournaments told me he had the right attitude that's for sure.
Maguire, Kane, Henderson, Rice. The rest are all found out at International level. And even a few of these four are being found out now
How are they being "found out"? Some of them just aren't top class. Maguire and Stones aren't top level defenders on a regular basis and have always played better in a three. Sterling has over 70 caps and was our best player last summer. I think the only player you can really accuse of being "found out" is someone like Kalvin Phillips.
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If it was in the right place, it would be just getting started, and we'd have played two friendlies already
Found him more effective this Nations League as an impact player
Some will say its fully deserved and that it is on him
I thought there were too many naive individual errors out there, and he's being clever to protect confidence in the squad
lost four nil.
deja vu?
But I must admit I don't fancy our chances of doing much in the WC. The last two tournaments were the best chances we've had in a while (draw opened up in WC, then essentially a home tournament) and I don't think a boiling hot mid-season WC plays favours us much.
Think he could then go.
Last 4 games have been a reality check.
It's not an overreaction at all, when we've scored a penalty in 4 games, played terribly in most games and just had our worst home defeat for 94 years.
No one will deny Southgate has done well at the last 2 tournaments and i agree there's no way they're going to get rid 5 months before the world cup, but even the most positive of England fans has to be worried about what they've seen in the last 2 weeks. We've been dreadful.
The point I have been trying to make for sometime is the possession stat is the most over rated stat going.
England had 69% possession.
He's been brilliant for England, I'm grateful for what he's achieved, reinstating the togetherness and spirit..now its for someone ( I don't have an immediate suggestion) to build on it with more tactical nouse.
Just seen the red card. Ha ha ha ha. Southgate should have just told the players to walk off. No-one has the bollox these days to stand up to officialdom.
They beat us twice in a week. Ergo ~ they are better than us at football. All this bunkum about longseasons and Gareth Southgate badger being limited in tactics.
The Euros clearly showed us Southgate isn't the guy to win trophies ~ even when he is handed the trophy on the plate with arguably the best squad we have ever had, conspired to hand a pair of Italian octogenarians in the Italian defence a major trophy with our name on. An earlier comment is right ~ we will never get such an easy chance to win a major trophy.
After the Euros we clearly saw that we had only 4 men out there. The rest were elite athletic boys none of whom are leaders.
Trophies are won by leaders throughout the team.
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I agree on the culture, although it's mainly spoken about in terms of Liverpool v Man Utd, I'm not sure Ashley Cole fits into that. We're guessing how he felt but his performances in the major tournaments told me he had the right attitude that's for sure.