So how many found refuge in air-conditioned buildings today? I did - had to go to a meeting in central London. But spare a thought for the incredible energy use and damage to the planet as a result. We are not v good at joined-up, long-term planning are we?
The incredible energy source used in AC and other cooling devices are being addressed by baby boomers like me (who apparently have no idea or don’t acknowledge climate change), who are developing new systems including no (or very little) natural energy ac, but this mean that the building industry have to redevelop the designs of building to allow for this. In my specialist field I have been fighting for over 40 years trying to convince the climate change lobby that there ridiculous ideas are wrong, that by forcing my industry to change refrigerant because of damage to the ozone layer initially and then because of carbon emissions. But what’s the point both the EU and British government went ahead brought in a very bad first try, everybody realised it these refrigerants were useless, and absorbed more power and thus created yet more carbon, this happened 2 or 3 more times. The simple answer was to stop the leaks, but no let’s change all the refrigeration plants and not put into the calculations the additional energy required to produce the new plants which is considerable, also let forget about the fact that these refrigerants also use more energy.
Now we have all the people saying let’s use natural refrigerants, so what do the idiot supermarket do, the go down the Co2 route, absolutely scandalous, and a ridiculous decision, can you capture co2 from the atmosphere and reuse it of course not, so people who champion this forget to add in the production energy of the co2. Now any sensible person would have gone for ammonia, but no the GWP is zero, ozone depletion is zero, it is explosive but only in very rare conditions, oh and it smells, it’s by far the best refrigerant every used and has a proven track record of over 150 years of refrigeration. So the government and EU pass laws which makes its virtually impossible to install and a comparative costs to Co2 (forgot to say Co2 uses more energy / kw of cooling so more carbon goes to the atmosphere) or these other crap new refrigerants.
So if this is happening in my industry that they reckon uses 10% of the Uk power consumption, what is it like in other industries? As I said myself and other baby boomers who apparently are in denial over climate have been fighting so called ‘do gooders’ for 40 years. So to summaries this rather long rant, the do-gooders have won, they have achieved there aims, they have saved the planet, by getting an industry to rip out millions of tons of refrigerant from perfectly good plants, sending it to South Africa and China in ships so they could put in there leaking plants where it’s now escaped into the atmosphere. We then had to initially convert and then replace all these plants with new plants, and produce all the new equipment which used trillions of kw of energy and deposit goodness know how millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. What have we achieved, oh yes we are now installing plants that use more energy than 40 years ago.
Well this baby boomer is pleased to his time of designing energy efficient refrigeration plants is over, yes all you ‘experts’ who know how to say our planets have, won, you have defeated me and my generation, I wish you luck, but just remember that the baby boomer generation, fought your corner and the do gooders ignored our warnings and advice.
Sorry, this has been a long rant on an extremely complex subject, which I’ve only scrapped the surface on, but certain posters really have annoyed me with there blinkered view and the rather insulating generalisations. I should declare that I have made a lot of money from these do gooders so thank you.
Easily offended - are you sure you're not a snowflake?
So how many found refuge in air-conditioned buildings today? I did - had to go to a meeting in central London. But spare a thought for the incredible energy use and damage to the planet as a result. We are not v good at joined-up, long-term planning are we?
The incredible energy source used in AC and other cooling devices are being addressed by baby boomers like me (who apparently have no idea or don’t acknowledge climate change), who are developing new systems including no (or very little) natural energy ac, but this mean that the building industry have to redevelop the designs of building to allow for this. In my specialist field I have been fighting for over 40 years trying to convince the climate change lobby that there ridiculous ideas are wrong, that by forcing my industry to change refrigerant because of damage to the ozone layer initially and then because of carbon emissions. But what’s the point both the EU and British government went ahead brought in a very bad first try, everybody realised it these refrigerants were useless, and absorbed more power and thus created yet more carbon, this happened 2 or 3 more times. The simple answer was to stop the leaks, but no let’s change all the refrigeration plants and not put into the calculations the additional energy required to produce the new plants which is considerable, also let forget about the fact that these refrigerants also use more energy.
Now we have all the people saying let’s use natural refrigerants, so what do the idiot supermarket do, the go down the Co2 route, absolutely scandalous, and a ridiculous decision, can you capture co2 from the atmosphere and reuse it of course not, so people who champion this forget to add in the production energy of the co2. Now any sensible person would have gone for ammonia, but no the GWP is zero, ozone depletion is zero, it is explosive but only in very rare conditions, oh and it smells, it’s by far the best refrigerant every used and has a proven track record of over 150 years of refrigeration. So the government and EU pass laws which makes its virtually impossible to install and a comparative costs to Co2 (forgot to say Co2 uses more energy / kw of cooling so more carbon goes to the atmosphere) or these other crap new refrigerants.
So if this is happening in my industry that they reckon uses 10% of the Uk power consumption, what is it like in other industries? As I said myself and other baby boomers who apparently are in denial over climate have been fighting so called ‘do gooders’ for 40 years. So to summaries this rather long rant, the do-gooders have won, they have achieved there aims, they have saved the planet, by getting an industry to rip out millions of tons of refrigerant from perfectly good plants, sending it to South Africa and China in ships so they could put in there leaking plants where it’s now escaped into the atmosphere. We then had to initially convert and then replace all these plants with new plants, and produce all the new equipment which used trillions of kw of energy and deposit goodness know how millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. What have we achieved, oh yes we are now installing plants that use more energy than 40 years ago.
Well this baby boomer is pleased to his time of designing energy efficient refrigeration plants is over, yes all you ‘experts’ who know how to say our planets have, won, you have defeated me and my generation, I wish you luck, but just remember that the baby boomer generation, fought your corner and the do gooders ignored our warnings and advice.
Sorry, this has been a long rant on an extremely complex subject, which I’ve only scrapped the surface on, but certain posters really have annoyed me with there blinkered view and the rather insulating generalisations. I should declare that I have made a lot of money from these do gooders so thank you.
Easily offended - are you sure you're not a snowflake?
No apparently I’m a boomer, I not certain and don’t care if I am snowflake.
I was trying to a give a practical example of how the do gooders who claim to be climate change experts / warriors (let be honest these tend to be the younger generation) have totally fucked it up, and made things it worse.
So how many found refuge in air-conditioned buildings today? I did - had to go to a meeting in central London. But spare a thought for the incredible energy use and damage to the planet as a result. We are not v good at joined-up, long-term planning are we?
The incredible energy source used in AC and other cooling devices are being addressed by baby boomers like me (who apparently have no idea or don’t acknowledge climate change), who are developing new systems including no (or very little) natural energy ac, but this mean that the building industry have to redevelop the designs of building to allow for this. In my specialist field I have been fighting for over 40 years trying to convince the climate change lobby that there ridiculous ideas are wrong, that by forcing my industry to change refrigerant because of damage to the ozone layer initially and then because of carbon emissions. But what’s the point both the EU and British government went ahead brought in a very bad first try, everybody realised it these refrigerants were useless, and absorbed more power and thus created yet more carbon, this happened 2 or 3 more times. The simple answer was to stop the leaks, but no let’s change all the refrigeration plants and not put into the calculations the additional energy required to produce the new plants which is considerable, also let forget about the fact that these refrigerants also use more energy.
Now we have all the people saying let’s use natural refrigerants, so what do the idiot supermarket do, the go down the Co2 route, absolutely scandalous, and a ridiculous decision, can you capture co2 from the atmosphere and reuse it of course not, so people who champion this forget to add in the production energy of the co2. Now any sensible person would have gone for ammonia, but no the GWP is zero, ozone depletion is zero, it is explosive but only in very rare conditions, oh and it smells, it’s by far the best refrigerant every used and has a proven track record of over 150 years of refrigeration. So the government and EU pass laws which makes its virtually impossible to install and a comparative costs to Co2 (forgot to say Co2 uses more energy / kw of cooling so more carbon goes to the atmosphere) or these other crap new refrigerants.
So if this is happening in my industry that they reckon uses 10% of the Uk power consumption, what is it like in other industries? As I said myself and other baby boomers who apparently are in denial over climate have been fighting so called ‘do gooders’ for 40 years. So to summaries this rather long rant, the do-gooders have won, they have achieved there aims, they have saved the planet, by getting an industry to rip out millions of tons of refrigerant from perfectly good plants, sending it to South Africa and China in ships so they could put in there leaking plants where it’s now escaped into the atmosphere. We then had to initially convert and then replace all these plants with new plants, and produce all the new equipment which used trillions of kw of energy and deposit goodness know how millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. What have we achieved, oh yes we are now installing plants that use more energy than 40 years ago.
Well this baby boomer is pleased to his time of designing energy efficient refrigeration plants is over, yes all you ‘experts’ who know how to say our planets have, won, you have defeated me and my generation, I wish you luck, but just remember that the baby boomer generation, fought your corner and the do gooders ignored our warnings and advice.
Sorry, this has been a long rant on an extremely complex subject, which I’ve only scrapped the surface on, but certain posters really have annoyed me with there blinkered view and the rather insulating generalisations. I should declare that I have made a lot of money from these do gooders so thank you.
Easily offended - are you sure you're not a snowflake?
No apparently I’m a boomer, I not certain and don’t care if I am snowflake.
I was trying to a give a practical example of how the do gooders who claim to be climate change experts / warriors (let be honest these tend to be the younger generation) have totally fucked it up, and made things it worse.
No they don’t. They just repeat the message from the experts, there’s a massive difference.
So how many found refuge in air-conditioned buildings today? I did - had to go to a meeting in central London. But spare a thought for the incredible energy use and damage to the planet as a result. We are not v good at joined-up, long-term planning are we?
The incredible energy source used in AC and other cooling devices are being addressed by baby boomers like me (who apparently have no idea or don’t acknowledge climate change), who are developing new systems including no (or very little) natural energy ac, but this mean that the building industry have to redevelop the designs of building to allow for this. In my specialist field I have been fighting for over 40 years trying to convince the climate change lobby that there ridiculous ideas are wrong, that by forcing my industry to change refrigerant because of damage to the ozone layer initially and then because of carbon emissions. But what’s the point both the EU and British government went ahead brought in a very bad first try, everybody realised it these refrigerants were useless, and absorbed more power and thus created yet more carbon, this happened 2 or 3 more times. The simple answer was to stop the leaks, but no let’s change all the refrigeration plants and not put into the calculations the additional energy required to produce the new plants which is considerable, also let forget about the fact that these refrigerants also use more energy.
Now we have all the people saying let’s use natural refrigerants, so what do the idiot supermarket do, the go down the Co2 route, absolutely scandalous, and a ridiculous decision, can you capture co2 from the atmosphere and reuse it of course not, so people who champion this forget to add in the production energy of the co2. Now any sensible person would have gone for ammonia, but no the GWP is zero, ozone depletion is zero, it is explosive but only in very rare conditions, oh and it smells, it’s by far the best refrigerant every used and has a proven track record of over 150 years of refrigeration. So the government and EU pass laws which makes its virtually impossible to install and a comparative costs to Co2 (forgot to say Co2 uses more energy / kw of cooling so more carbon goes to the atmosphere) or these other crap new refrigerants.
So if this is happening in my industry that they reckon uses 10% of the Uk power consumption, what is it like in other industries? As I said myself and other baby boomers who apparently are in denial over climate have been fighting so called ‘do gooders’ for 40 years. So to summaries this rather long rant, the do-gooders have won, they have achieved there aims, they have saved the planet, by getting an industry to rip out millions of tons of refrigerant from perfectly good plants, sending it to South Africa and China in ships so they could put in there leaking plants where it’s now escaped into the atmosphere. We then had to initially convert and then replace all these plants with new plants, and produce all the new equipment which used trillions of kw of energy and deposit goodness know how millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. What have we achieved, oh yes we are now installing plants that use more energy than 40 years ago.
Well this baby boomer is pleased to his time of designing energy efficient refrigeration plants is over, yes all you ‘experts’ who know how to say our planets have, won, you have defeated me and my generation, I wish you luck, but just remember that the baby boomer generation, fought your corner and the do gooders ignored our warnings and advice.
Sorry, this has been a long rant on an extremely complex subject, which I’ve only scrapped the surface on, but certain posters really have annoyed me with there blinkered view and the rather insulating generalisations. I should declare that I have made a lot of money from these do gooders so thank you.
Easily offended - are you sure you're not a snowflake?
No apparently I’m a boomer, I not certain and don’t care if I am snowflake.
I was trying to a give a practical example of how the do gooders who claim to be climate change experts / warriors (let be honest these tend to be the younger generation) have totally fucked it up, and made things it worse.
No they don’t. They just repeat the message from the experts, there’s a massive difference.
My apologise is didn’t make myself clear, I was referring to the EU/UK law makers and those who are contributing to there parties ie the big chemical firms in this case.
Anyway I said enough now, so have a good day, keep out the sun, and spare a thought of my engineers, who will be working in -25 through to +60c+ plant rooms.
Deadly wildfires in France, Portugal, Spain and Greece have forced thousands of people to evacuate their homes.
Two people were killed by forest fires in Spain's north-western Zamora region and trains in the area were halted because of fire near the tracks. An elderly couple died while trying to escape fires in northern Portugal.
Wildfires in recent days forced more than 30,000 people to flee, with emergency shelters set up for evacuees. A zoo with 1,000 animals was among the areas evacuated.
In Spain and Portugal, more than 1,000 deaths have been attributed to the heat in recent days. A forest fire in Losacio in the north-west left one firefighter dead on Sunday and the body of a 69-year-old shepherd was found on Monday.
Several villages were evacuated after a fire in the Murça area of northern Portugal, where a man and a woman in their 70s died in their car while trying to flee the flames. Authorities are anxious to avoid a repeat of 2017, when 66 people were killed in wildfires.
Heatwaves have become more frequent, more intense, and last longer because of human-induced climate change. The world has already warmed by about 1.1C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments around the world make steep cuts to emissions.
Just a hot few days though. Nothing to be worried about long term.
So how many found refuge in air-conditioned buildings today? I did - had to go to a meeting in central London. But spare a thought for the incredible energy use and damage to the planet as a result. We are not v good at joined-up, long-term planning are we?
The incredible energy source used in AC and other cooling devices are being addressed by baby boomers like me (who apparently have no idea or don’t acknowledge climate change), who are developing new systems including no (or very little) natural energy ac, but this mean that the building industry have to redevelop the designs of building to allow for this. In my specialist field I have been fighting for over 40 years trying to convince the climate change lobby that there ridiculous ideas are wrong, that by forcing my industry to change refrigerant because of damage to the ozone layer initially and then because of carbon emissions. But what’s the point both the EU and British government went ahead brought in a very bad first try, everybody realised it these refrigerants were useless, and absorbed more power and thus created yet more carbon, this happened 2 or 3 more times. The simple answer was to stop the leaks, but no let’s change all the refrigeration plants and not put into the calculations the additional energy required to produce the new plants which is considerable, also let forget about the fact that these refrigerants also use more energy.
Now we have all the people saying let’s use natural refrigerants, so what do the idiot supermarket do, the go down the Co2 route, absolutely scandalous, and a ridiculous decision, can you capture co2 from the atmosphere and reuse it of course not, so people who champion this forget to add in the production energy of the co2. Now any sensible person would have gone for ammonia, but no the GWP is zero, ozone depletion is zero, it is explosive but only in very rare conditions, oh and it smells, it’s by far the best refrigerant every used and has a proven track record of over 150 years of refrigeration. So the government and EU pass laws which makes its virtually impossible to install and a comparative costs to Co2 (forgot to say Co2 uses more energy / kw of cooling so more carbon goes to the atmosphere) or these other crap new refrigerants.
So if this is happening in my industry that they reckon uses 10% of the Uk power consumption, what is it like in other industries? As I said myself and other baby boomers who apparently are in denial over climate have been fighting so called ‘do gooders’ for 40 years. So to summaries this rather long rant, the do-gooders have won, they have achieved there aims, they have saved the planet, by getting an industry to rip out millions of tons of refrigerant from perfectly good plants, sending it to South Africa and China in ships so they could put in there leaking plants where it’s now escaped into the atmosphere. We then had to initially convert and then replace all these plants with new plants, and produce all the new equipment which used trillions of kw of energy and deposit goodness know how millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere. What have we achieved, oh yes we are now installing plants that use more energy than 40 years ago.
Well this baby boomer is pleased to his time of designing energy efficient refrigeration plants is over, yes all you ‘experts’ who know how to say our planets have, won, you have defeated me and my generation, I wish you luck, but just remember that the baby boomer generation, fought your corner and the do gooders ignored our warnings and advice.
Sorry, this has been a long rant on an extremely complex subject, which I’ve only scrapped the surface on, but certain posters really have annoyed me with there blinkered view and the rather insulating generalisations. I should declare that I have made a lot of money from these do gooders so thank you.
Easily offended - are you sure you're not a snowflake?
No apparently I’m a boomer, I not certain and don’t care if I am snowflake.
I was trying to a give a practical example of how the do gooders who claim to be climate change experts / warriors (let be honest these tend to be the younger generation) have totally fucked it up, and made things it worse.
No they don’t. They just repeat the message from the experts, there’s a massive difference.
My apologise is didn’t make myself clear, I was referring to the EU/UK law makers and those who are contributing to there parties ie the big chemical firms in this case.
Anyway I said enough now, so have a good day, keep out the sun, and spare a thought of my engineers, who will be working in -25 through to +60c+ plant rooms.
No problem that’s fine, I wasn’t picking a fight just pointing out that I don’t think the youngsters/do gooders should be a target, as annoying as some may find them!
Funeral yesterday in Axbridge so spent most of the day in an air conditioned car, plus an hour in an air conditioned crematorium and an hour in the back room of an old stone pub, so kept out of it. Was meant to have today off too, so I could keep an eye on the dogs and turn air con on or off as and when but, because my firm can't organise a piss up in a brewery, I have to go in to do another day's "mandatory" training despite being available for it for the last 2 weeks when it was scheduled for and even cancelling a trip to France / rearranging a hospital appointments for.
I got a bottle of water from the little shop at the station this morning and glanced at the papers, where The Scum had 43c plastered on the front…
43c? Must have been for the American market.
Correct - everybody knows that cold weather is measured in centigrade (so we can measure against 0) and hot weather is measured in Fahrenheit (so we can measure against 100).
Doors and windows closed as it's otter outside than in... think the cat pissed in the kitchen last night, particularly acrid smell in the kitchen where I'm working. happy days.
Politicians are arseholes. Nothing bold enough will be done regarding climate change until it’s too late. Sooner or later there will be a major climate catastrophe in one of the big cities in one of the big countries and a few hundred thousand will die. Only then will the political classes wake up and act. Until then it’s just a green tick to put on their manifestos. I have zero doubt that at some point in the future life as we currently live it will change forever. Humans really are quite stupid creatures.
If it was just about learning to live with temperatures like these for a few days, or even a few weeks a year it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but it’s more about global crop failures and threats to the water supply. And the related mass migrations and wars that could result from them.
The temperatures that we’re seeing today could be dwarfed over the next four or five years.
If it was just about learning to live with temperatures like these for a few days, or even a few weeks a year it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but it’s more about global crop failures and threats to the water supply. And the related mass migrations and wars that could result from them.
The temperatures that we’re seeing today could be dwarfed over the next four or five years.
If it was just about learning to live with temperatures like these for a few days, or even a few weeks a year it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but it’s more about global crop failures and threats to the water supply. And the related mass migrations and wars that could result from them.
The temperatures that we’re seeing today could be dwarfed over the next four or five years.
What evidence do you have to make this statement, dwarfing 40c is a pretty serious number, and in 4-5 years??
I got a bottle of water from the little shop at the station this morning and glanced at the papers, where The Scum had 43c plastered on the front…
The unfortunate part of that is many older people buy the sun out of habit and it will just worry them further, poisonous tabloid.
so that headline will worry them, but the 24/7 TV coverage and Met alerts for the last week wont ?
The 24/7 TV coverage telling them how it will actually be (38 ish) is accurate, so that’s necessary.
Having massively misleading headlines to get more clicks and sales than others is a different story altogether.
They need to be worried, 38 degrees worried, not 43 degrees worried, in a nutshell.
BBC is leading with temperatures expected to hit 42 degrees
I saw 38 on BBC? If that’s the case then they’re as bad as the sun on this occasion. I wouldn’t put it past the sun however taking the room temperature from above a cafe grill.
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Bugger said I was going to shut up, and within 30 second typed another load of rubbish.
Two people were killed by forest fires in Spain's north-western Zamora region and trains in the area were halted because of fire near the tracks. An elderly couple died while trying to escape fires in northern Portugal.
Wildfires in recent days forced more than 30,000 people to flee, with emergency shelters set up for evacuees. A zoo with 1,000 animals was among the areas evacuated.
In Spain and Portugal, more than 1,000 deaths have been attributed to the heat in recent days. A forest fire in Losacio in the north-west left one firefighter dead on Sunday and the body of a 69-year-old shepherd was found on Monday.
Several villages were evacuated after a fire in the Murça area of northern Portugal, where a man and a woman in their 70s died in their car while trying to flee the flames. Authorities are anxious to avoid a repeat of 2017, when 66 people were killed in wildfires.
Heatwaves have become more frequent, more intense, and last longer because of human-induced climate change. The world has already warmed by about 1.1C since the industrial era began and temperatures will keep rising unless governments around the world make steep cuts to emissions.
Just a hot few days though. Nothing to be worried about long term.
29.8 at 8:35 !
Correct - everybody knows that cold weather is measured in centigrade (so we can measure against 0) and hot weather is measured in Fahrenheit (so we can measure against 100).
…House value circa £300k😉