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  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,448
    edited July 2022
    ValleyGary said:
    eaststandmike said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    colthe3rd said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    clb74 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Politicians are arseholes. Nothing bold enough will be done regarding climate change until it’s too late. Sooner or later there will be a major climate catastrophe in one of the big cities in one of the big countries and a few hundred thousand will die. Only then will the political classes wake up and act. Until then it’s just a green tick to put on their manifestos. I have zero doubt that at some point in the future life as we currently live it will change forever. Humans really are quite stupid creatures. 
    So what are we doing ourselves to save the planet?

    Good point. I guess we should all be doing our tiny bit but in reality we need government policy and significant financial help to become more eco efficient. Those of us who might be able to do something unilaterally will be doing so but the vast majority of houses, flats and dwellings will remain inefficient because people just can’t afford to make the changes that matter. I’d still say switching off a single light helps. Unfortunately we are not doing anywhere near enough despite government bollox.
    Agree it takes all of us to make a difference. I see too many people bemoaning the lack of governments and corporations around the world doing their biut, while that is true we all still need to be doing our bit both directly (do we need to be driving our cars all the time? Can we use less electricity at home? Can we insulate better? Switch to greener methods of power?) if everyone did these then yes it would make a difference. Of course the biggest polluters need to do something as well so we can do that by not voting for politicians who refuse to acknowledge this is a serious issue, stop buying from companies who continue to destroy the planet for profit.

    There is so much whataboutery whenever people are asked about what they are doing to help, hopefully these past few days will be a wake up call to many.
    I think you only need to read some of the posts in this thread to see that the past few days will have zero impact as a wake up call to a lot of people.
    Out of interest SHG, what do I need waking up to. What are you doing to save the planet and make it cooler that I am not doing or ignorant to? 
    Exactly. I am very energy efficient, I only drive a car once a week, I haven't flown in ages, I recycle etc etc etc and im one of the people that said 'its a couple of days ffs'. Not because I don't think climate change isn't serious or that this should be ignored, its just because the media will soon have another sensationalist story to push, the leaders of the world dont really give a fuck and I find it all a bit hysteric. I''ll sweat my bollocks off today but tomorrow something else in life will be bothering me. But i'll still be energy efficient.....
    Wars come and go. 
    Inflation comes and goes. 
    Governments come and go. 

    Climate change in 40-50 years will be the only thing that will bother the population, and by then it will be far too late. 

    The main problem is the same media/talking heads that cry about the weather this week, will be the same people sounding the drums of war when any government tries to help the problem. 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    paulfox said:
    Big fire, Bexley way
    Will Gregg incoming?
    2 sausage rolls, a steak bake and 3 jam doughnuts.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    cantersaddick said:
    eaststandmike said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    colthe3rd said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    clb74 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Politicians are arseholes. Nothing bold enough will be done regarding climate change until it’s too late. Sooner or later there will be a major climate catastrophe in one of the big cities in one of the big countries and a few hundred thousand will die. Only then will the political classes wake up and act. Until then it’s just a green tick to put on their manifestos. I have zero doubt that at some point in the future life as we currently live it will change forever. Humans really are quite stupid creatures. 
    So what are we doing ourselves to save the planet?

    Good point. I guess we should all be doing our tiny bit but in reality we need government policy and significant financial help to become more eco efficient. Those of us who might be able to do something unilaterally will be doing so but the vast majority of houses, flats and dwellings will remain inefficient because people just can’t afford to make the changes that matter. I’d still say switching off a single light helps. Unfortunately we are not doing anywhere near enough despite government bollox.
    Agree it takes all of us to make a difference. I see too many people bemoaning the lack of governments and corporations around the world doing their biut, while that is true we all still need to be doing our bit both directly (do we need to be driving our cars all the time? Can we use less electricity at home? Can we insulate better? Switch to greener methods of power?) if everyone did these then yes it would make a difference. Of course the biggest polluters need to do something as well so we can do that by not voting for politicians who refuse to acknowledge this is a serious issue, stop buying from companies who continue to destroy the planet for profit.

    There is so much whataboutery whenever people are asked about what they are doing to help, hopefully these past few days will be a wake up call to many.
    I think you only need to read some of the posts in this thread to see that the past few days will have zero impact as a wake up call to a lot of people.
    Out of interest SHG, what do I need waking up to. What are you doing to save the planet and make it cooler that I am not doing or ignorant to? 
    If everyone recognised this as the massive issue that it is rather than being indifferent and waiting for someone else to take the lead then governments would be forced into action. Or people would vote for parties and candidates that would take action and so those that didnt would be out. 
    But the Green party have been around for years and never get anywhere in the elections.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    edited July 2022
    Baldybonce said:
    Big fire somewhere down river
    Familiar view
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    edited July 2022
    palarsehater said:
    yep im on a trading estate in crayford and seriously smokey out the front and the smell is awful looks to be coming from behind crayford sainsburys 
    Dartford Heath alight by all accounts mate
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,448
    eaststandmike said:
    cantersaddick said:
    eaststandmike said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    colthe3rd said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    clb74 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Politicians are arseholes. Nothing bold enough will be done regarding climate change until it’s too late. Sooner or later there will be a major climate catastrophe in one of the big cities in one of the big countries and a few hundred thousand will die. Only then will the political classes wake up and act. Until then it’s just a green tick to put on their manifestos. I have zero doubt that at some point in the future life as we currently live it will change forever. Humans really are quite stupid creatures. 
    So what are we doing ourselves to save the planet?

    Good point. I guess we should all be doing our tiny bit but in reality we need government policy and significant financial help to become more eco efficient. Those of us who might be able to do something unilaterally will be doing so but the vast majority of houses, flats and dwellings will remain inefficient because people just can’t afford to make the changes that matter. I’d still say switching off a single light helps. Unfortunately we are not doing anywhere near enough despite government bollox.
    Agree it takes all of us to make a difference. I see too many people bemoaning the lack of governments and corporations around the world doing their biut, while that is true we all still need to be doing our bit both directly (do we need to be driving our cars all the time? Can we use less electricity at home? Can we insulate better? Switch to greener methods of power?) if everyone did these then yes it would make a difference. Of course the biggest polluters need to do something as well so we can do that by not voting for politicians who refuse to acknowledge this is a serious issue, stop buying from companies who continue to destroy the planet for profit.

    There is so much whataboutery whenever people are asked about what they are doing to help, hopefully these past few days will be a wake up call to many.
    I think you only need to read some of the posts in this thread to see that the past few days will have zero impact as a wake up call to a lot of people.
    Out of interest SHG, what do I need waking up to. What are you doing to save the planet and make it cooler that I am not doing or ignorant to? 
    If everyone recognised this as the massive issue that it is rather than being indifferent and waiting for someone else to take the lead then governments would be forced into action. Or people would vote for parties and candidates that would take action and so those that didnt would be out. 
    But the Green party have been around for years and never get anywhere in the elections.
    Because on the priority list, people put 'the environment' near the bottom. 

    Sad but true. 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    The American military is one of the biggest contributing factors to climate change. Me washing out my yoghurt pot is a cute attempt at progress. 
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    Crayford exit on A2 I think:


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  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,888
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    But, if those countries you mentioned are doing something, and apparently they are (expert on radio yesterday), should we do more ?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    edited July 2022
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    Yes, if we really went into this it could very easily be a massive driver of economic growth. We could develop new technologies. This could fund real change economically & socially whilst making real progress. Countries would soon follow suit. Part of what I said above was people changing their purchasing habits and buying more sustainably. That would force everyone in the supply chain to act more sustainably or lose out and would have a massive impact on the Chinese economy (and others) if they didn't adapt.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    shine166 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    The American military is one of the biggest contributing factors to climate change. Me washing out my yoghurt pot is a cute attempt at progress. 
    I've heard it called a few things down the years but yoghurt pot is a new one on me 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,960
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    CharltonKerry said:
    sam3110 said:
    The heat gets to some doesn't it 
    Not if you got AC😀❄️
    Who did you use CK?
    I own a ac and fridge company, and can’t afford to use us, my salesman on residential AC charges an absolute fortune, plus I don’t agree with residential (ac but might change my mind after today 😀) seems to me a bad waste of energy in the UK.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    Hex said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    But, if those countries you mentioned are doing something, and apparently they are (expert on radio yesterday), should we do more ?
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    Yes, if we really went into this it could very easily be a massive driver of economic growth. We could develop new technologies. This could fund real change economically & socially whilst making real progress. Countries would soon follow suit. Part of what I said above was people changing their purchasing habits and buying more sustainably. That would force everyone in the supply chain to act more sustainably or lose out and would have a massive impact on the Chinese economy (and others) if they didn't adapt.
    I hope that you are both correct.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    eaststandmike said:
    cantersaddick said:
    eaststandmike said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    colthe3rd said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    clb74 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Politicians are arseholes. Nothing bold enough will be done regarding climate change until it’s too late. Sooner or later there will be a major climate catastrophe in one of the big cities in one of the big countries and a few hundred thousand will die. Only then will the political classes wake up and act. Until then it’s just a green tick to put on their manifestos. I have zero doubt that at some point in the future life as we currently live it will change forever. Humans really are quite stupid creatures. 
    So what are we doing ourselves to save the planet?

    Good point. I guess we should all be doing our tiny bit but in reality we need government policy and significant financial help to become more eco efficient. Those of us who might be able to do something unilaterally will be doing so but the vast majority of houses, flats and dwellings will remain inefficient because people just can’t afford to make the changes that matter. I’d still say switching off a single light helps. Unfortunately we are not doing anywhere near enough despite government bollox.
    Agree it takes all of us to make a difference. I see too many people bemoaning the lack of governments and corporations around the world doing their biut, while that is true we all still need to be doing our bit both directly (do we need to be driving our cars all the time? Can we use less electricity at home? Can we insulate better? Switch to greener methods of power?) if everyone did these then yes it would make a difference. Of course the biggest polluters need to do something as well so we can do that by not voting for politicians who refuse to acknowledge this is a serious issue, stop buying from companies who continue to destroy the planet for profit.

    There is so much whataboutery whenever people are asked about what they are doing to help, hopefully these past few days will be a wake up call to many.
    I think you only need to read some of the posts in this thread to see that the past few days will have zero impact as a wake up call to a lot of people.
    Out of interest SHG, what do I need waking up to. What are you doing to save the planet and make it cooler that I am not doing or ignorant to? 
    If everyone recognised this as the massive issue that it is rather than being indifferent and waiting for someone else to take the lead then governments would be forced into action. Or people would vote for parties and candidates that would take action and so those that didnt would be out. 
    But the Green party have been around for years and never get anywhere in the elections.
    The reason for that is the indifference I was saying we need to tackle. Like I said it would require everyone (or a large majority of people) to change their attitudes.

    I'm not necessarily advocating for the green party (although they are my go to of late) but if everyone had this a priority it would force all parties to react and change their policies. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,807
    The fire on Sky is in Upminster 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    edited July 2022
    shine166 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    The American military is one of the biggest contributing factors to climate change. Me washing out my yoghurt pot is a cute attempt at progress. 
    As i said before it seems small but 64m people religiously making these "cute attempts" would force government and corporations attitudes to change. It would very quickly result in policy changes and R&D into new tech. Right now they just don't believe its a priority or that the demand is there. Making those small changes is the way we can show them it does matter whilst also making a small difference ourselves.

    These small changes we can make are economic and political signals that can drive further change. Please dont be put off but the seeming small scale of them.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    blackpool72 said:
    shine166 said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    The American military is one of the biggest contributing factors to climate change. Me washing out my yoghurt pot is a cute attempt at progress. 
    I've heard it called a few things down the years but yoghurt pot is a new one on me 
    Its a yeast issue
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  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,960
    edited July 2022
    cabbles said:
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
    Yes they did, As an example Thornton Heath was still alight below ground for months after the drought broke.
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,623
    cabbles said:
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
    Dartford Heath catches fire quite a few times every summer
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Rothko said:
    The fire on Sky is in Upminster 
     More Rainham/Purfleet
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Lordflashheart said:
    cabbles said:
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
    Dartford Heath catches fire quite a few times every summer
    Dartford Heath is set on fire quite a few times every summer...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Interesting, as I never realised that dry air can affect rain reaching the ground


  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    CharltonKerry said:
    cabbles said:
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
    Yes they did, As an example Thornton Heath was alight below ground for months after the drought broke.
    Took the local football ground up with it causing 5 shillings worth of damage
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,623
    killerandflash said:
    Lordflashheart said:
    cabbles said:
    I wonder if we had fires like that one in Dartford back in 76
    Dartford Heath catches fire quite a few times every summer
    Dartford Heath is set on fire quite a few times every summer...
    Have you never heard of Spontaneous Heathland Combustion 😉 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    superclive98 said:
    Hex said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    But, if those countries you mentioned are doing something, and apparently they are (expert on radio yesterday), should we do more ?
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    If everybody in this country heeded all the warnings about climate change and altered the  way that we live, would it actually change anything?
    Yes, it would. Not only would 64m people reducing waste, reducing usage living more environmentally have a significant impact on localised air quality, bio diversity, plant life etc. changes to our demand and purchasing preferences would also force corporations into making changes, driving R&D into green tech, which would in turn make them more efficient and bring the price down. It would also force the government to take serious action as everyones preferences would have changed.

    This in turn sets an example for other countries to follow.

    Small things you can do:
    - recycle religiously
    - Opt for public transport where possible
    - Plant a tree in your garden
    - Have a small wildflower/wildgrasses section in your garden
    - Try and adjust your purchases to reflect sustainably sourced good (may mean they are slightly more expensive but if you have to adjust to buy slightly less consumerist shite then thats another benefit)
    - Eat less meat, 1 or 2 days a week have a veggie main meal. Where you do have meat, particularly red meat try and pad it out with lentils/beans/chickpeas/mushrooms/grated carrots etc. in order to have a smaller quantity of meat.
    - Buy local food produce (can be funded by the savings from buying less meat)

    Edit - Quiz your local MP candidates on their green credentials. Make it clear you will only vote for someone who takes it seriously and backs a proper plan.
    My point is that if we in the UK all do as you suggest but China, the USA, India, Russia, etc don't, then will our efforts actually make any real difference to global warming?
    By the way, I'm not saying that we shouldn't do what we can.
    Yes, if we really went into this it could very easily be a massive driver of economic growth. We could develop new technologies. This could fund real change economically & socially whilst making real progress. Countries would soon follow suit. Part of what I said above was people changing their purchasing habits and buying more sustainably. That would force everyone in the supply chain to act more sustainably or lose out and would have a massive impact on the Chinese economy (and others) if they didn't adapt.
    I hope that you are both correct.
    Thats the possibility, to make it happen we need everyone to do their bit, make those small changes to the way they live in order to drive the larger changes.

    I cannot recommend enough the book A Life on Our Planet: My Witness Statement and Vision for the Future by David Attenborough. Its lays out pretty horribly the damage we have done to the planet and what the future will look like if we dont act now. Its pretty stark and scary. He finishes with outlining what can be done to change things and how we need to adapt. We are running out of time.

    Alternatively watch any of his recent documentaries. I cant remember which one it was but one went through his lifetime following nature and showing how much of the earth was left as wild spaces each decade. Its a horribly stark message. There is hope but we need to act now.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,633
    Dartford heath turn off, big fire on the A2.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    edited July 2022
    guinnessaddick said:
    Dartford heath turn off, big fire on the A2.
    Have friends in the Fire Service and have been told they are struggling to keep up with it.

    New Cross brigade/watch have been called in recently to help tackle it.

    I've just been out and showered our grassy areas and decking to minimise any risk.

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